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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:55 PM Jul 2014

Top pro-Russia rebel commander says passengers on MH17 died days before the plane was shot down

MOSCOW (AP) — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn’t confirm the information. But it’s sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.

Girkin said “Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/18/rebel_suggests_malaysia_plane_victims_long_dead/

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Top pro-Russia rebel commander says passengers on MH17 died days before the plane was shot down (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 OP
They are like some bad 80s parody of Russians LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #1
To be fair, he probably heard that on Russia Today. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #2
Alex Jones will have him as a guest, n/t gwheezie Jul 2014 #3
He must be their Alex Jones! Alex, meet Alex! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #32
As soon as it makes it to RT it is sure to be posted as absolute truth here. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #4
It's free dumb of the press.. IDemo Jul 2014 #7
I guess we can't ban that. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #12
I Expect You Are Right, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #20
I adore Sherlock. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #21
My thought exactly!!! Coventina Jul 2014 #24
He sounds like a typical Rt.com reader nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #5
He also reads Prison Planet. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #15
I guess no one noticed the dead ones countingbluecars Jul 2014 #6
I have to wonder if they've ever been involved in combat. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #11
Not only that, but dismembered bodies stink immediately Coventina Jul 2014 #25
Sounds like the movie nykym Jul 2014 #8
Soon they'll be blaming it on Moose and Squirrel...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #9
"Moose & Squirrel" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #29
I send lady spy with package thucythucy Jul 2014 #38
Sick. herding cats Jul 2014 #10
a guest on the thom hartmann explained the context of these stories GusBob Jul 2014 #13
OMG teh Zombie Flight!! TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #14
Zombies On A Plane. Twilight >>> we may have our million dollar movie plot/script KittyWampus Jul 2014 #23
what happened to the snakes?? CatWoman Jul 2014 #31
... TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #33
Nice try asshole...the world knows already. Historic NY Jul 2014 #16
so they translate infowars into russian now? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #17
They said that about KAL 007, too. Brickbat Jul 2014 #18
Somebody watched The Strain the other night! Rex Jul 2014 #19
No shit, I saw that too...some people, eh randys1 Jul 2014 #28
It is indeed possible dead people were aboard the flight. xfundy Jul 2014 #22
Shameless,cowardly assholes.nt sufrommich Jul 2014 #26
Shades of the incident with the USS Vincennes JHB Jul 2014 #27
Sounds like this guy could have a future Turbineguy Jul 2014 #30
I hope they'll let in some international forensic specialists to get to the bottom of this perfidy. Crunchy Frog Jul 2014 #34
So the translation is that it's an anti-Russian conspiracy? Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2014 #35
why stop there? Takket Jul 2014 #36
"'People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one,... Kaleva Jul 2014 #37
 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
1. They are like some bad 80s parody of Russians
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 04:56 PM
Jul 2014

These people may be even more slap dick than the Bundy Ranch folks, if that's possible.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
20. I Expect You Are Right, Sir
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jul 2014

Something very similar was part of the plot in the dominatrix story-line on Sherlock not too long ago....

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
24. My thought exactly!!!
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:09 PM
Jul 2014

Seems the Russia backed rebels are Cumberbitches!

Not that I blame them for THAT! I am as well!
But really, I wouldn't try to cover my crimes with stealing the plot of one of the episodes.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. I have to wonder if they've ever been involved in combat.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jul 2014

Decomposition starts at death and proceeds rather quickly, especially in humid environments with temperatures in the high 80s, as was the case around Torez, Ukraine yesterday.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
25. Not only that, but dismembered bodies stink immediately
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:11 PM
Jul 2014

due to the contents of the bowels being released.

(Sorry to be so graphic, but it's true).

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
13. a guest on the thom hartmann explained the context of these stories
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jul 2014

In Russia there is very little alternative media so they put out this propaganda for the people other than outsiders to read. Its how they control the narrative. IOWs it doesn't matter what outsiders think

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
22. It is indeed possible dead people were aboard the flight.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jul 2014

In the cargo hold. In cardboard boxes. On their way back home to be buried by their families.

Most people have never thought about it, but shipping bodies is big business for airlines. Say you lived in California but died in England. Your loved ones want the body for a last goodbye.

Any flight you board may have a body, hopefully wrapped in plastic, in a box as big as a casket. I used to do contract work for a major US airline, and competition for the funereal industry is a big deal for them. They don't even have to serve half a can of soft drink in a plastic cup!

Having said all that, I doubt “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” unless the flight was a cargo plane. So, I call BS.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
27. Shades of the incident with the USS Vincennes
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 07:14 PM
Jul 2014

A conservative chorus arose making the exact same claim -- and of course, Reagan played footsie with them. Not making the claim itself, but treating it like a realistic possibility that needed to be looked into.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
35. So the translation is that it's an anti-Russian conspiracy?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jul 2014

Someone took a plane; loaded it with bodies; and then flew the plane into a combat zone in such a way to ensure that it would be shot down.

This is what I'm supposed to believe?

Takket

(21,571 posts)
36. why stop there?
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jul 2014

How about saying the bodies had amercian and Ukrainian flags branded on them, and "death to putin" too!

If you are going to bust out with insane propaganda that nobody is going to believe, you may as well go "all in!"

Kaleva

(36,304 posts)
37. "'People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one,...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jul 2014

and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it." - Walter Langer

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