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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI consider Glenn Greenwald more of an activist than a journalist.
And quite frankly I think his activism sucks.
You should have stuck with just being a Journalist Glenn.. you would have been far more effective.
MADem
(135,425 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)We are lucky he keeps on keeping on. Sets a great example for youngsters thinking of entering the fields.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Trust me!
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I consider the vast majority of corporate media persons designated as journalists to be professional stenographers, gossips, agents, self-promoters, and clowns. The clowns seem to be in the majority. As a profession, activism is usually superior to those.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)They wish they could be a Greenwald type.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Because there are plenty of good people hoping they could be the movie version of Woodward-Bernsten working the media pits. This is also why he's so hated by many of them, in rough proportion to their putative importance. Because he's been so successful and played the game so damn well, doing what he wants and treating real issues almost the whole time. When you consider the capstone to the MSM pyramid are non-entity blowhards like Tom Friedman or Joe Klein or Bill Keller, Greenwald's existence is a total provocation.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Awards[edit]
2013 George Polk Award [24]
2013 EFF Pioneer Award for coverage and analysis of the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures[121]
2010 Online Journalism Award for Best Commentary[19]
2009 Izzy Award for independent journalism[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Awards
The George Polk Awards in Journalism are a series of American journalism awards presented annually by Long Island University in New York in the United States. PBS described it as "one of only a couple of journalism prizes that means anything".[1]
The awards were established in 1949 in memory of George Polk, a CBS correspondent who was murdered in 1948 while covering the Greek Civil War (194649). In 2009 former New York Times editor John Darnton was named curator of the George Polk Awards.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Polk_Awards
Who should I believe here, DU's center right arbiters of truth, or an actual authority?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Just sayin'....
He tried to play it off as a Peabody. http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/peabodyfacts1.htm
How soon people forget!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)left the show. Even your own link states that fact:
(Inside Edition won a Polk Award, not the better-known Peabody, for reporting that was done after O'Reilly left the show--Washington Post, 3/1/01.) You can look it up here -
Polk Awards Site: www.polk-awards.com
Matt Meagher and Tim Peek won for their an undercover investigation of the exploitation of poor Americans by insurers.
Just sayin'.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)for reporting that was done after O'Reilly left the show--Washington Post, 3/1/01.)
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Just sayin'.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Better?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Looking forward to your 9 paragraphs of LOLs.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I'm not "invested" in Dild O'Liely winning so much as a crackerjack prize...but you go on ahead and THINK that if it makes you feel better!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I'd like to recommend a book.
http://www.amazon.com/Lies-Lying-Liars-Tell-Them/dp/0452285216
MADem
(135,425 posts)doggone Polk for some reason! The thing that matters here is that he SAID he got a Polk, after he first SAID he got a Peabody! Not that he actually got it--OR a crackerjack prize, either.
You're just going to have to get over that, ok? Really!
Or keep carping on it like it matters; so we can see YOUR words!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Nope. He didn't, as YOU claimed, get a Polk. Or a Peabody, or any other award.
You flat out said that O'Reilly got a Polk in order to diminish Greenwald's award.
Just sayin'
I AM INFURIATED!!!1111!!!!!!.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yer funneeee.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Would you feel better if I shouted from the rooftops "Bill O'Reilly SAID he got a Polk...just sayin'?"
Does that float your boat? Help you with your happy dance? Make you feel like you've won a point? Will that soothe your number/punctuation sputtering? Will it calm your sad fixation on Big Bill and get you back on the topic of this thread-which is, let's see, about the thesis that GG is a lousy activist, and more of one of those than a journalist? Or will you continue to do anything OTHER than discuss that key point?
It's just the internet--settle down, now.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Now's he's a Libertarian activist.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)based upon the deep, deep ignorance behind such a statement.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Thanks for that, Warren.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Bill O'reilly won two Polk awards.
Or were they Peabody awards?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)He's neither an activist or a journalist.
He's a blithering idiot, and the last time I checked, blithering idiots didn't have much of an effect on the rest of the world.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Especially here.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)This OP would have been more relevant a while ago.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)you mean journalist you agree with.
That really is a common measure of journalism, which imo is very flawed.
trumad
(41,692 posts)just not his activism.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Sweet comparison, though.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Who Coulda' Known? That's amazing. What's your favorite Glenn Greenwald article that you could reference to trash him as Libertarian. That "Awakening Moment" when you saw his TRUE LIBERTARIAN FLAGS WAVING?
It would be interesting to know when you "turned" on him...because you found him out?
Got the Link?
trumad
(41,692 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)In case you missed it. You could Google to find.
You funny.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)But... but... he has nothing to do with them!!!
http://www.cato-unbound.org/contributors/glenn-greenwald
http://www.cato-unbound.org/search/results/Glenn%2BGreenwald
He went on the CATO payroll as far back as 2008--by his own admission:
And actually, he expressed his admiration for them even earlier than that:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe
Greenwald had identified a vehicle for a political realignment: the presidential candidacy of the old libertarian warhorse Ron Paul. In November 2007, Greenwald called Paul as vigilant a defender of Americas constitutional freedoms ... as any national figure in some time. He acknowledged that there is at least something in Pauls worldview for most people to strongly dislike, even hate, and he described Paul as an anti-abortion extremist and near the far end of the rights stance on immigration policy. Still, he believed Paul to be a rare truth-teller, prepared to buck a corrupt bipartisan consensus....After Paul dropped out of the presidential race in June 2008, Greenwald wrote articles tepidly supporting the Obama campaign, emphasizing the vitally important task of defeating John McCain. (Paul had gone on to endorse the racist theocrat Chuck Baldwin of the Constitutional Party.) But he also sought to advance the realignment he had described to Cato. Greenwald appeared in February 2008 as a keynote speaker at Catos Annual Benefactor Summit, a conference of high-rolling donors in Las Vegas. Later that year, he appeared at a conference sponsored by the right-wing free-market libertarian Future of Freedom Foundation. In 2008, Greenwald joined with the anti-conservative Firedoglake.com founder Jane Hamsher to back the Accountability Now/Strangebedfellows PAC, with an assist from some of Ron Pauls fund-raisers.
...In 2010, Greenwald began attacking the Obama administration from the left on a variety of domestic issues, attacking Wall Street corruption, opposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and decrying inequality. Yet even as he insisted on his left liberalism, he remained a steadfast promoter of Ron Paulfar and away the most anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war presidential candidate in either party. (After Pauls son, then senatorial candidate Rand Paul, questioned the Civil Rights Act, Greenwald agreed with criticism that the remark was wacky, but insisted that the real crazies in American politics were mainstream Democrats and Republicans.) In a debate with The Nation columnist Katha Pollitt, Greenwald justified how progressives could back Ron Paul over Obama. How his vaunted allies would govern over issues that he professes to hold dearSocial Security, Medicare, economic inequality, gay rightsis a subject he has not addressed.
So, I guess by his own words we shall know him!
These comments from a labor-centric blogger are instructive--and well worth reading, as GG gets personal:
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/06/my-challenge-to-glenn-greenwald
Never mind that Greenwald has long standing ties to the Koch-funded Cato Institute (hes going to claim that he only wrote 2 articles for them but as Exiled points out thats utterly absurd)
Never mind that Greenwald has been openly identified in the press as representing the libertarian Cato Institute when quoted in articles. See also here.
Never mind that Greenwald was a keynote speaker at a Cato Benefit Sponsors Event.
Never mind that Greenwald was Ron Paul-curious, a man who would be the most anti-union president since at least Grover Cleveland, if not in U.S. history.
Never mind that Greenwald has spoken to college libertarian groups where he suggested the possibility of a coalition between progressives and Paulites for a Gary Johnson presidential run.
Never mind that Greenwald defended the Citizens United decision...
SixString
(1,057 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)I listen. Enough on that thread said I was wrong and I agreed.
Cha
(297,650 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)dissonance with that idiotic stunt.
Amazing how many GG cheerleaders also have the "Warren for President" bumper sticker as their sig line. Based on GG's latest behavior with that stupid twitter tweet, having those divided loyalties is rather like rooting for a "GORE-CHENEY" ticket back in 2000....!!!!!!!!!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)from your link.. mahalo msanthrope
Case in point:
Glenn Greenwald made a choice to defend Matthew Hale in a series of civil lawsuits that Hale faced after he encouraged shooter Benjamin Smith to go on a two-state shooting rampage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Nathaniel_Smith
If you don't know who Hale is, well, he's a pretty famous white supremacist who is currently serving 40 years for soliciting the murder of a federal judge who ruled against him in a trademark case. Who put him away? Patrick Fitzgerald. (Yes. And Mr. Greenwald got an FBI visit regarding the passing of coded messages by Hale while under SAMS restrictions.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale
Mr. Hale, for his role in the shootings, was sued by a number of survivors. This included a case filed by two teenage Orthodox Jewish boys. And another case filed by a Black minister. These people were selected by Benjamin Smith because they looked like the religious/ethnic minorities they are.
And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--
Glenn called That.. on himself. "Odios and Repugnant" on steroids.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And if those corporate stooges are examples of real journalism, I choose the activist who won the Pulitzer
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)twitter.
Cha
(297,650 posts)thinks of GG's rw playground bully "gotcha" moment?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cha
(297,650 posts)Warren!