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I consider Glenn Greenwald more of an activist than a journalist. (Original Post) trumad Jul 2014 OP
I find your assessment compelling and I agree with it. nt MADem Jul 2014 #1
He is great at both RobertEarl Jul 2014 #2
I envy your sarcastic ability. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #3
Not sure if you are serious. trumad Jul 2014 #4
He is. MADem Jul 2014 #9
It's so important that you're telling us. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #5
I've known a few reporters RobertEarl Jul 2014 #6
Of course. JackRiddler Jul 2014 #8
hmmm... Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #7
Bill O'Reilly got a Polk. MADem Jul 2014 #10
Passing along that canard again, eh. O'Reilly didn't win a Polk; Inside Edition won AFTER O'Reilly Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #19
Awww, see post 35~! nt MADem Jul 2014 #36
No, he didn't... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2014 #20
That FACT was in MADem's own link! Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #22
Bill O'Reilly SAID he got a Polk...after he was called out for saying he had a PEABODY.... MADem Jul 2014 #35
Quotheh you in your pathetic attempt to diminish a Polk award, 'Bill O'Reilly got a Polk' He did not Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #37
Why use nine when one will do? MADem Jul 2014 #46
Exactly. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #49
Better STILL!!!! nt MADem Jul 2014 #34
Best still that the lie that you catapult is exposed. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #38
Sorry, that's a big fail~! Nice try, though. MADem Jul 2014 #41
MADem quote. "Bill O'Reilly got a Polk." A lie. Do you really think we cannot see your words? Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #44
It infuriates you that I don't give a shit that His Bloatedness did not, in actual fact, get that MADem Jul 2014 #45
Quote you, "Bill O'Reilly got a Polk. Just sayin'." Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #48
Awww, you mad, bro? MADem Jul 2014 #52
Yep---he was a fine journalist. trumad Jul 2014 #12
Any claims that Gleen Greenwald is a "Libertarian Activist" should be summarily dismissed, Maedhros Jul 2014 #29
What a great list of accomplishments RobertEarl Jul 2014 #13
Big deal Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #18
You're jumping to conclusions. Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #11
Yeah, no one pays him any attention Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #15
Did you just get off timeout or something? Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #14
by "journalist" Enrique Jul 2014 #16
Oh I agreed with his Journalism... trumad Jul 2014 #23
Your comment is compelling and rich AngryAmish Jul 2014 #17
Ron Burgundy's journalistic credence surpasses Greenwald's by a factor of ten, on a bad day! MADem Jul 2014 #42
I consider him more of a douche than a bag. zappaman Jul 2014 #21
You Read GLENN GREENWALD? KoKo Jul 2014 #24
Possibly the best piece ever on this subject. trumad Jul 2014 #25
That POS Article from Mark Ames was Debunked long ago here on DU.... KoKo Jul 2014 #26
LOL--- trumad Jul 2014 #27
No, it wasn't. nt MADem Jul 2014 #43
Uh oh--you've done it now! MADem Jul 2014 #40
LOL Puglover Jul 2014 #28
You also thought the republic*** thread was a good idea. n/t SixString Jul 2014 #30
Actually I reconsidered and thought it was a bad idea. trumad Jul 2014 #51
Brawaaa Now you've done it! Cha Jul 2014 #31
Oh, you mean like how he's trying to fuck with Elizabeth Warren now? One more sucky notch on his Cha Jul 2014 #32
Now THAT's some shitty "activism" right there by Mr. G--he's created some serious cognitive MADem Jul 2014 #53
We knew he was an asshole, years ago..... msanthrope Jul 2014 #33
"Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist." Cha Jul 2014 #39
I think the media's journalism sucks LittleBlue Jul 2014 #47
Indeed. How dare he advocate for Dem candidates, single payer, and social security. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #50
But he doesn't do any of that. He's a libertarian asswipe who just stabbed Elizabeth Warren on MADem Jul 2014 #54
The ratf*cker/aka/greenwald strikes again.. using a rw source.. Wonder what Elizabeth Cha Jul 2014 #55
She wasn't born yesterday--I'll bet she can suss out his lame schtick a mile away! nt MADem Jul 2014 #56
Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about! To your Senator Elizabeth Cha Jul 2014 #57
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. He is great at both
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jul 2014

We are lucky he keeps on keeping on. Sets a great example for youngsters thinking of entering the fields.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
5. It's so important that you're telling us.
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jul 2014

I consider the vast majority of corporate media persons designated as journalists to be professional stenographers, gossips, agents, self-promoters, and clowns. The clowns seem to be in the majority. As a profession, activism is usually superior to those.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
8. Of course.
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jul 2014

Because there are plenty of good people hoping they could be the movie version of Woodward-Bernsten working the media pits. This is also why he's so hated by many of them, in rough proportion to their putative importance. Because he's been so successful and played the game so damn well, doing what he wants and treating real issues almost the whole time. When you consider the capstone to the MSM pyramid are non-entity blowhards like Tom Friedman or Joe Klein or Bill Keller, Greenwald's existence is a total provocation.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. hmmm...
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 06:42 PM
Jul 2014

Awards[edit]
2013 George Polk Award [24]
2013 EFF Pioneer Award for coverage and analysis of the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures[121]
2010 Online Journalism Award for Best Commentary[19]
2009 Izzy Award for independent journalism[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Awards

The George Polk Awards in Journalism are a series of American journalism awards presented annually by Long Island University in New York in the United States. PBS described it as "one of only a couple of journalism prizes that means anything".[1]

The awards were established in 1949 in memory of George Polk, a CBS correspondent who was murdered in 1948 while covering the Greek Civil War (1946–49). In 2009 former New York Times editor John Darnton was named curator of the George Polk Awards.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Polk_Awards


Who should I believe here, DU's center right arbiters of truth, or an actual authority?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
19. Passing along that canard again, eh. O'Reilly didn't win a Polk; Inside Edition won AFTER O'Reilly
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:23 PM
Jul 2014

left the show. Even your own link states that fact:

THE FACTS

(Inside Edition won a Polk Award, not the better-known Peabody, for reporting that was done after O'Reilly left the show--Washington Post, 3/1/01.) You can look it up here -

Polk Awards Site: www.polk-awards.com


Matt Meagher and Tim Peek won for their an undercover investigation of the exploitation of poor Americans by insurers.

Just sayin'.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
37. Quotheh you in your pathetic attempt to diminish a Polk award, 'Bill O'Reilly got a Polk' He did not
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:12 AM
Jul 2014

Looking forward to your 9 paragraphs of LOLs.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. Sorry, that's a big fail~! Nice try, though.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:39 AM
Jul 2014

I'm not "invested" in Dild O'Liely winning so much as a crackerjack prize...but you go on ahead and THINK that if it makes you feel better!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
45. It infuriates you that I don't give a shit that His Bloatedness did not, in actual fact, get that
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:54 AM
Jul 2014

doggone Polk for some reason! The thing that matters here is that he SAID he got a Polk, after he first SAID he got a Peabody! Not that he actually got it--OR a crackerjack prize, either.

You're just going to have to get over that, ok? Really!

Or keep carping on it like it matters; so we can see YOUR words!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
48. Quote you, "Bill O'Reilly got a Polk. Just sayin'."
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 04:07 AM
Jul 2014

Nope. He didn't, as YOU claimed, get a Polk. Or a Peabody, or any other award.

You flat out said that O'Reilly got a Polk in order to diminish Greenwald's award.

Just sayin'

I AM INFURIATED!!!1111!!!!!!.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yer funneeee.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. Awww, you mad, bro?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 06:54 AM
Jul 2014

Would you feel better if I shouted from the rooftops "Bill O'Reilly SAID he got a Polk...just sayin'?"

Does that float your boat? Help you with your happy dance? Make you feel like you've won a point? Will that soothe your number/punctuation sputtering? Will it calm your sad fixation on Big Bill and get you back on the topic of this thread-which is, let's see, about the thesis that GG is a lousy activist, and more of one of those than a journalist? Or will you continue to do anything OTHER than discuss that key point?



It's just the internet--settle down, now.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
29. Any claims that Gleen Greenwald is a "Libertarian Activist" should be summarily dismissed,
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jul 2014

based upon the deep, deep ignorance behind such a statement.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
11. You're jumping to conclusions.
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jul 2014

He's neither an activist or a journalist.
He's a blithering idiot, and the last time I checked, blithering idiots didn't have much of an effect on the rest of the world.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
16. by "journalist"
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014

you mean journalist you agree with.

That really is a common measure of journalism, which imo is very flawed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. Ron Burgundy's journalistic credence surpasses Greenwald's by a factor of ten, on a bad day!
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:41 AM
Jul 2014


Sweet comparison, though.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. You Read GLENN GREENWALD?
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jul 2014

Who Coulda' Known? That's amazing. What's your favorite Glenn Greenwald article that you could reference to trash him as Libertarian. That "Awakening Moment" when you saw his TRUE LIBERTARIAN FLAGS WAVING?

It would be interesting to know when you "turned" on him...because you found him out?

Got the Link?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. That POS Article from Mark Ames was Debunked long ago here on DU....
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jul 2014

In case you missed it. You could Google to find.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. Uh oh--you've done it now!
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:37 AM
Jul 2014

But... but... he has nothing to do with them!!!

http://www.cato-unbound.org/contributors/glenn-greenwald
http://www.cato-unbound.org/search/results/Glenn%2BGreenwald

He went on the CATO payroll as far back as 2008--by his own admission:



And actually, he expressed his admiration for them even earlier than that:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe
Along those lines, Greenwald found common ground with the upper echelons of right-wing free-market libertarianism. In August 2007, he appeared at the Cato Institute’s headquarters in Washington. “I’m a real admirer of Cato,” Greenwald declared, “and of the work that Cato does and has done for the last six years under the Bush presidency.” He was not only referring to Cato’s criticism of the war on terror. Under Bush, Greenwald explained, “a political realignment” had occurred, one that rendered “traditional ideological disputes” irrelevant. Politics now turned on a fundamental question: “Are you a believer in the constitutional principles on which the country was founded and a believer in the fact that no political leader can exercise vast and unchecked powers?” To this question, Greenwald had a ready answer: “I find myself on the side of the Cato Institute and other defenders of what in the 1990s was viewed as a more right-wing view of limited government power.”

Greenwald had identified a vehicle for a political realignment: the presidential candidacy of the old libertarian warhorse Ron Paul. In November 2007, Greenwald called Paul “as vigilant a defender of America’s constitutional freedoms ... as any national figure in some time.” He acknowledged that “there is at least something in Paul’s worldview for most people to strongly dislike, even hate,” and he described Paul as “an anti-abortion extremist” and “near the far end” of the right’s stance on immigration policy. Still, he believed Paul to be a rare truth-teller, prepared to buck a corrupt bipartisan consensus....After Paul dropped out of the presidential race in June 2008, Greenwald wrote articles tepidly supporting the Obama campaign, emphasizing the “vitally important” task of defeating John McCain. (Paul had gone on to endorse the racist theocrat Chuck Baldwin of the Constitutional Party.) But he also sought to advance the realignment he had described to Cato. Greenwald appeared in February 2008 as a keynote speaker at Cato’s “Annual Benefactor Summit,” a conference of high-rolling donors in Las Vegas. Later that year, he appeared at a conference sponsored by the right-wing free-market libertarian Future of Freedom Foundation. In 2008, Greenwald joined with the anti-conservative Firedoglake.com founder Jane Hamsher to back the Accountability Now/Strangebedfellows PAC, with an assist from some of Ron Paul’s fund-raisers.


...In 2010, Greenwald began attacking the Obama administration from the left on a variety of domestic issues, attacking Wall Street corruption, opposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and decrying inequality. Yet even as he insisted on his left liberalism, he remained a steadfast promoter of Ron Paul—“far and away the most anti-war, anti-Surveillance-State, anti-crony-capitalism, and anti-drug-war presidential candidate in either party.” (After Paul’s son, then senatorial candidate Rand Paul, questioned the Civil Rights Act, Greenwald agreed with criticism that the remark was “wacky,” but insisted that the real “crazies” in American politics were mainstream Democrats and Republicans.) In a debate with The Nation columnist Katha Pollitt, Greenwald justified how progressives could back Ron Paul over Obama. How his vaunted allies would govern over issues that he professes to hold dear—Social Security, Medicare, economic inequality, gay rights—is a subject he has not addressed.



So, I guess by his own words we shall know him!

These comments from a labor-centric blogger are instructive--and well worth reading, as GG gets personal:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/06/my-challenge-to-glenn-greenwald

Never mind that Greenwald has long standing ties to the Koch-funded Cato Institute (he’s going to claim that he only wrote 2 articles for them but as Exiled points out that’s “utterly absurd”)

Never mind that Greenwald has been openly identified in the press as representing “the libertarian Cato Institute” when quoted in articles. See also here.

Never mind that Greenwald was a keynote speaker at a Cato Benefit Sponsors Event.

Never mind that Greenwald was Ron Paul-curious, a man who would be the most anti-union president since at least Grover Cleveland, if not in U.S. history.

Never mind that Greenwald has spoken to college libertarian groups where he suggested the possibility of a coalition between progressives and Paulites for a Gary Johnson presidential run.

Never mind that Greenwald defended the Citizens United decision...

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
51. Actually I reconsidered and thought it was a bad idea.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 06:49 AM
Jul 2014

I listen. Enough on that thread said I was wrong and I agreed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. Now THAT's some shitty "activism" right there by Mr. G--he's created some serious cognitive
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 06:59 AM
Jul 2014

dissonance with that idiotic stunt.

Amazing how many GG cheerleaders also have the "Warren for President" bumper sticker as their sig line. Based on GG's latest behavior with that stupid twitter tweet, having those divided loyalties is rather like rooting for a "GORE-CHENEY" ticket back in 2000....!!!!!!!!!

Cha

(297,650 posts)
39. "Glenn Greenwald Unethically Taped Witnesses While Working for Matt Hale, White Supremacist."
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:24 AM
Jul 2014

from your link.. mahalo msanthrope

Case in point:

Glenn Greenwald made a choice to defend Matthew Hale in a series of civil lawsuits that Hale faced after he encouraged shooter Benjamin Smith to go on a two-state shooting rampage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Nathaniel_Smith

If you don't know who Hale is, well, he's a pretty famous white supremacist who is currently serving 40 years for soliciting the murder of a federal judge who ruled against him in a trademark case. Who put him away? Patrick Fitzgerald. (Yes. And Mr. Greenwald got an FBI visit regarding the passing of coded messages by Hale while under SAMS restrictions.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale

Mr. Hale, for his role in the shootings, was sued by a number of survivors. This included a case filed by two teenage Orthodox Jewish boys. And another case filed by a Black minister. These people were selected by Benjamin Smith because they looked like the religious/ethnic minorities they are.

And Glenn Greenwald called them 'odious and repugnant' for suing his client--

Glenn called That.. on himself. "Odios and Repugnant" on steroids.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
47. I think the media's journalism sucks
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:57 AM
Jul 2014

And if those corporate stooges are examples of real journalism, I choose the activist who won the Pulitzer

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. But he doesn't do any of that. He's a libertarian asswipe who just stabbed Elizabeth Warren on
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 07:02 AM
Jul 2014

twitter.

Cha

(297,650 posts)
55. The ratf*cker/aka/greenwald strikes again.. using a rw source.. Wonder what Elizabeth
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 07:21 AM
Jul 2014

thinks of GG's rw playground bully "gotcha" moment?

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