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Cresent City Kid

(1,621 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:20 AM Jul 2014

Saw an interesting film about Hubert Humphrey last night

It was "Hubert Humphrey, the Art of the Possible" A broad range of discussion topics could be raised, but what I found striking was his take on the preamble to the Constitution.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

He focused on the verbs, and made the case that our government was set up to be an active player in our society. Domestic tranquility, justice, common defense and general welfare don't just happen, we have to work to insure, provide, and promote them.

Tea party types see WE THE PEOPLE in huge type and think (or have the thought supplied to them) "It's we the people, not we the government", missing the point that We the People is the government. I can't respect a party that says its core is the Constitution, but doesn't read or comprehend the fine print.

The whole thing is set up ensure that entities with concentrated wealth and/or power are held in check if they are detrimental to the common welfare. We are living in times that have those who would be restrained by such checks convincing huge numbers of voters that the government is the enemy, the other. An agency set up to make sure your water is safe to drink is portrayed as a job killer, and idiots take the bait.

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Saw an interesting film about Hubert Humphrey last night (Original Post) Cresent City Kid Jul 2014 OP
Even as a kid joelz Jul 2014 #1
"in order to form a more perfect union" I always assumed it meant a better union than the ones jwirr Jul 2014 #3
Thanks for posting. JEFF9K Jul 2014 #2
"Viet Nam is our greatest adventure. And what a wonderful one it is." Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #5
He certainly did Cresent City Kid Jul 2014 #6
No one like him around now Cresent City Kid Jul 2014 #7
"PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE". Everything in our system is rigged to do precisely the opposite. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2014 #4
'Government is the problem.' Octafish Jul 2014 #8
What they forget Cresent City Kid Jul 2014 #9

joelz

(185 posts)
1. Even as a kid
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:36 AM
Jul 2014

in history class I always wondered if the framers understood the meaning of the word perfect,it struck me as a silly idea. Presidents are always tossing more perfect ideas out in their speeches and it still sounds like an impossibility.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. "in order to form a more perfect union" I always assumed it meant a better union than the ones
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jul 2014

before in history. Democracy that survived more than 80 years. However, I am willing to think that it meant that the government they formed would be an ongoing work.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
2. Thanks for posting.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jul 2014

I missed the broadcast but will try to catch a rerun on PBS. It's funny how you seldom hear Humphrey's name mentioned anymore.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. "Viet Nam is our greatest adventure. And what a wonderful one it is."
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jul 2014

He had a tendency to get carried away.

And he made some *serious* political misjudgments.

Cresent City Kid

(1,621 posts)
6. He certainly did
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:36 AM
Jul 2014

He, and maybe us, would have been better off if he had not been the vice president under Johnson. When he voiced his opposition to the war early in the term and got got slapped for it, he chose to become a better vice president over stopping the war. Even as a candidate in 1968 he kept quiet about his opposition too long.

Cresent City Kid

(1,621 posts)
7. No one like him around now
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:44 AM
Jul 2014

The film showed how he bridged the gap between lofty rhetoric and idealism to the nitty gritty grunt work of getting laws passed that actually turned the ideals into reality.The modern liberal does well just to defend what he helped create from erosion.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
4. "PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE". Everything in our system is rigged to do precisely the opposite.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jul 2014

It's probably *always* been the case... the framers once again caught w. their ideological pants down, as it were.

But it sure as hell is true NOW.

I propose a constitutional amendment to *remove* those words from the preamble. Let's not add rank hypocrisy to our other charges.




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