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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsConservative Media's Favorite Economist Caught Distorting Facts About Taxes And Job Creation
On July 7, Moore published an op-ed in The Kansas City Star attacking economic policies favored by Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman. The op-ed claimed that "places such as New York, Massachusetts, Illinois and California ... are getting clobbered by tax-cutting states." Moore went on to attack liberals for "cherry-picking a few events" in their arguments against major tax cuts, when in fact it was Moore who cited bad data to support his claims.
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Moore has referred to unemployment insurance as a "paid vacation" for jobless Americans and bizarrely claimed that laws guaranteeing paid sick leave for full-time workers were "very dangerous for cities." Moore spent years basely claiming that the Affordable Care Act would reduce job creation, seamlessly transitioning from one debunked talking point to the next along the way. He is also an outspoken opponent of increasing the minimum wage, claiming that even a moderate rise in wages would result in a "big increase" in unemployment. In a recent foray out of the safety of right-wing media, Moore's anti-living wage spin was easily cut down by CNN anchor Carol Costello.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)i cant say on here what that makes me want to say or
jesus, wake me up when the rest of you people have god damn HAD ENOUGH
I dont know how long it takes to piss people off so much that someone like this would never consider saying this again, he has to feel the shame that making these kind of statements are not in his best interest
why he feels he can go around saying this is because we do nothing in response
merrily
(45,251 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)but i wont do it alone, and i need others to feel the same way
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)That describes the cream of the crop among conservative thinkers. Most Republicans like Rick Perry aren't very seamless.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)They don't even so much as blanch when you show where they contradict themselves. If time allows and I actually get to go the distance till they have no more BS talking points, every last one circles the wagons and ultimately uses the gun issue to defend their conservatism. It's ironic because knowing that gun-nuttery is their actual "single issue voter" reason, they always try to conceal that fact by trying to sound smart or otherwise "in the know" by using clinical sounding media-speak: but come off as looking like asses because the points they quote are either flat out wrong, distorted, or quoted out of context.
It's becoming a lonely world for the critical thinkers like us.
progressoid
(49,996 posts)I was debunking some bullshit email that had been making the rounds and got this, "Well, I don't care about that (the facts), I believe it anyway"
So what do you do when you give them the truth and they prefer the lies?
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Sad as some are family and long time friends, but they can be so insufferable I just can't stand it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)some sway. I could counteract the falsehoods. But that was back in the 19980s. We had the big discussions. Arguments mostly. Every fear I thought of then has mostly taken place.
alfredo
(60,075 posts)Journeyman
(15,038 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Brownback's tax cutting policy has been an utter failure: lagging job creation and a budget crisis.
Kansas was going to be the model state for the tax cutting philosophy, but the social experiment is in complete collapse now. Of course you'll have ideologists like Moore swooping in with lies trying to save their basic idea. But their basic idea is being exposed as a total con job. Wait until the real cuts required by their reckless spending starts to hit home with the average Kansan. It's going to be a shit show for the ages.
merrily
(45,251 posts)POS Moore, lying is the ONLY way to validate conservative fiscal policies.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)political junkie observations,
if they did not tell lies,
they would be mute.
They are paid, skilled, habitual, liars.
They do not believe the bullshit they spew.
They are in it for money and power.
Lying is just the price of admission.
alfredo
(60,075 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)to struggle to make ends meet. Disgusting person. He and conservatives like him have this gift of demanding from others what they would never do themselves.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)NoRWNJ
(33 posts)Stevepol
(4,234 posts)The studies that have been done where the minimum wage was raised have shown that employment was mostly unaffected. The MW is one way, and a modest one at that, of re-distributing income to the lower strata of society. There's no evidence that I have seen in any actual real-world scenario of a "massive" job loss as a result of a raise in the minimum wage.
Here's just one of many articles describing some of the real-world cases where raising the minimum took place and where studies were done to investigate its effects:
http://journalistsresource.org/studies/economics/inequality/the-effects-of-raising-the-minimum-wage
Triana
(22,666 posts)It's rare to see a reasonable, fact-based article on the issue.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)
The original intent of Moore's Star op-ed was to garner support for tax cuts enacted over the past two years by Gov. Sam Brownback (R-KS), which The New York Times and other outlets have labeled "ruinous." The tax cuts have been such a dramatic failure that more than 100 members of the Kansas Republican Party have sworn to help replace Brownback with a Democrat willing to reinstate taxes and spending at their previous levels.
Anybody know more about this?