It's being called a "Neighborhood," and was on the eastern side of Gaza City.

It has - had - a population of ~100,000.

Look at this picture, and imagine you're looking at East Los Angeles (pop. 126,000).

Fired homemade rockets at Hollywood? Or somewhere.

Wouldn't it be necessary for the LAPD to bomb the entire neighborhood into rubble? This collective punishment of the uninvolved would be totally okay, I think, as long as LAPD sent them text messages warning of the bombing five minutes in advance. Or not. Whatever. What are you, an anti-Semite?

Of course, in this case, imagine that first, the LAPD started aerial bombardments of said East LA on a false pretext, and then gave up on the false pretext but used the homemade rockets as the retroactive excuse.

Why not? Those people are animals!!!

Seriously, I have seen arguments like yours presented with earnest sincerity so often that I damn near just flipped my shit.

I should have guessed long ago that there was a name for this, which I deal with daily on the Web. Now I know it.

nice and dry...

built a wall around East LA and didn't allow the residents to leave then they might be on the same page.

Just sad.

See the before pic (along side the "after" one you've posted) of the Shujai'iya neighborhood:

Mohammed Omer's Twitter page from inside the Gaza Strip

I was familiar with Mohammed Omer's photojournalism several years ago, hadn't come across the name in quite some time. Glad to see he is still at it. He has been through a lot.

and yes, he has been thru quite a lot.

Here's the direct link to his Twitter feed:

Mohammed Omer is Mogaza on Twitter

Netanyahu is also letting Israel down and risking her longterm security in my opinion.

of the Palestinian population.

You could warn people all you want, but with destruction like that... NO ONE STANDS A CHANCE!


This is appalling!

disgusting.

Before:

:large

And after

:large

how come they're bombing open parks and market places?

The Israelis know precisely what they are doing--killing every Palestinian they can: man, woman, or child.

I honestly didn't think these were photos of the same place when I first saw them.

and how many have been displaced? Where are they to go?

Thanks that Israel has not used a nuke on their city.

Praise Israel for its magnificent restraint!!

Israel could do worse. Let us pray Kerry helps them stay restrained.

sarcasm also because it is difficult to tell these days.

What would the sane world say if Israel used a nuke?

Don't do that again, or else?

The typical right wing trolls would come out of the woodwork and admonish the Palestinians/Hamas (intentionally conflating the two) for rockets and... lol... Fremen Terror Tunnels.

My ass.

But scrap metal and fertilizer rockets or something justify this level of force. It is a perfectly proportionate response!

if even ONE rocket lands on israel even if it is a lone nutter that is grounds for the leveling of a city. Much like the United States has carpet bombed every mexican city a dozen times for the deaths of American citizens from drug cartels.

Come out of the woodwork you Israeli apologists and claim your handiwork.

Whats wrong, Israeli apologists wont come into threads like this and post their propaganda because they cant defend this shit. Come on out, you have done good defending the crimes of Israel so far, why stop now. Come out and tell us how these Palestinians deserve this level of carnage because they wont submit to the will of Israel and let them take over the land and build settlements.

Come on out where ever you are.

Oh that's right, you Israeli apologists are nothing but Israeli mouthpieces and this kind of a thread does nothing to serve your cause. I get it know. lol

Oh really?

Because I don't accept that Hamas is responsible for an Israeli soldier deliberately directing his bomb onto the heads of civilians, that makes me a Hamas apologist?

HAHAHA

Conflating people that are disgusted by war as the people engaged in it.

Poe's Law, as I've just learned.

Hamas with "people who are shocked at the destruction", you aren't on the right message board.

precisely what earlier Americans did to Native Americans, and for precisely the same reasons.

Herding them into increasingly small reservations, taking their land, and killing them, men, women and children, without mercy. Because they were in our way, we wanted the land they lived on, and we did not consider them to be fully human.

I do not say that to justify what Israel is doing, but to suggest that we might be less prodigious with our outrage.

over to the next American Indian you come across.

You'll feel better about it.

It's pretty apt here. If you disagree, then state why.

It still doesn't give Israeli leadership a free pass. Sorrows of yesterday do not excuse horrors being perpetrated today.

if one wants to get it, instead of excusing it from happening right now.

Interesting...

as did a lot of other countries. Does the USA not have a right to exist? Should the USA be forced to return to it's 1776 borders?

Not holding my breath for consistency...

Worse thing is that what the Israelis are doing is the same thing that Hitler did prior to carrying out the final solution.

Hitler rounded up and herded the Jews into Ghettos were he imprisoned them and controlled what went into the ghettos and what didn't.
Hitler punished all Jews in the Ghettos when some decided to try and fight for their freedom.

Israel has slowly herded Palestinians into a tiny piece of their original land and imprisoned them, controlling what goes in and out of Gaza and West Bank.
Israel bombards and punishes the whole population of Gaza because some Palestinian decide they want to fight for their freedom.

Whats next, is Israel going to go that extra mile like Hitler did and decide that a final solution is needed on Palestinians?


Is disgusting that a peoples that went through what the Jews went through under Hitler, would turn around and start the same process against another peoples, especially since the Jews have been feeding off the collective guilt of the world for 60-70 years for what they went through under Hitler.

I was juror #3 btw

On Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:19 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Israel has the Palestinians in what can only be described as Ghettos,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5296852

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"especially since the Jews have been feeding off the collective guilt of the world for 60-70 years for what they went through under Hitler." That is blatant anti-Semitism. Very obvious agenda.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:34 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is such a difficult topic on which I am personally ambivalent. But as I heard this exact same argument from a very liberal and knowledgable friend yesterday, I am going to vote to leave this as a valid opinion. Being against Israel or critical of Israel is not necessarily anti-semitism.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I was going to actually vote to leave but that same piece was troublesome, called to my attention I can only agree.
TheKentuckian
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It was acceptable until the poster went way over the top with "especially since the Jews have been feeding off the collective guilt of the world for 60-70 years for what they went through under Hitler."
Hide it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why would we alert on someone's plainly stated opinion? This is not an anti semitic view, but a clear statement about facts as they have emerged and are observable.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: That sentence pretty much did it for me, too. Vote to hide.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think this racist anti Semite should have have his post read by everyone so they know what a vapid racist person they are
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

How can anyone have a problem with that sentence.

The fact is that the Jews were slaughtered on masse by Hitler and the rest of the world did nothing to stop him until it was too late.

Since then the world has felt guilty for not stepping in earlier to save the Jews from Hitler, so the world has given the state of Israel (which is the Jewish homeland) a pass on many crimes it commits.

Ergo, world feels guilty for not helping the Jews when Hitler was gassing them - FACT
Israel commits crimes and we get silence from the world, whereas if the same crimes were carried out by any other country in the world, then the world would speak out with condemnation -FACT.

If you want to call stating facts as being anti-Semitic, then how on earth can we have any critical assessment of the state of Israel if facts are interpreted as anti-Semitic?

Read the jury results and you'll see that the problem was with this anti-semitic statement you made. If you had used the word Israelis in the last sentence, your post may not have been seen as bigoted. However, you said "Jews", which is an attack on an entire race of people.

Is disgusting that a peoples that went through what the Jews went through under Hitler, would turn around and start the same process against another peoples, especially since the Jews have been feeding off the collective guilt of the world for 60-70 years for what they went through under Hitler.

I see your point.

But one lousy word in a sentence is enough to warrant an alert, without taking the rest of the post into context.

I was writing quickly, didn't read it back to see how others can be offended by that word, yet an alert is raised straight away without using the context of the whole post.

oh well.

There is a huge difference between the word "Jew" and "Israeli"

We all make mistakes. Think and reread what you have written before you click the "post" button.

that Jews weren't blowing up buses full of German school children, or building miles of elaborate tunnels from which to launch terrorist attacks, or electing a terrorist government.

Analogy fail.

1) One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Every nation that is stronger always calls those that it is fighting, terrorists.
Not too mention that when Hamas targets Israeli civilians, you and your ilk call it terrorism, YET when Israel has some of the most sophisticated missiles in the world and still kills 5 civilians to every Hamas fighter, you still have the gall to defend it as justified, ha.

2) The only reason the tunnels exist is because Israel has maintained an illegal blockade and siege of Gaza. If Israel wants to complain about the tunnels, then lift the blockade and then the tunnels wont be needed anymore.

3) When Hitler rounded up and herded the Jews into Ghettos, he walled them off and imprisoned them, controlled what went into and out of the Ghettos and when some Jews in the Ghettos smuggled in stuff or even fought back to get their freedom again, Hitler used that as an excuse to demolish many of the Ghettos killing many.

(Sounds identical to what is happening in Gaza at the moment)


You really expect 5 million Palestinians to just submit to the will of Israel and accept it every time that Israel confiscates land and builds settlements which are clearly against International Law?
What would Israel do if another country repeatedly bulldozed Israeli homes, confiscated the land and built illegal settlements on it?

Untold numbers of civilians in Gaza aren't blowing up buses, launching terrorist attacks etc - especially not the 50% of the population who are children.

I'm not sure that Hamas even got a natural majority of the vote in the last elections but even if they did, electing bad leaders does not make the civilian population cannon fodder for Netanyahu - either legally or morally.

Collective punishment is a war crime.

Your entire post went to shit with this one piece of blatant anti-semitism.

Yea, mark me down for being responsible for what was being done before i was born

And at least ours was part of natural progression of history. We weren't created by the rest of the world and the Native Americans expected to go along with it. When they fought back, as they did at many points, was that no different than Hamas now? In which case the Native Americans were terrorists, too? Or Hamas is justified now?

Whats funny is that if one were to listen to Israel and its apologists then one would think Hamas is responsible for all the dead civilians, because I'm guessing that Hamas has some sort of super secret technology where they can redirect an Israeli missile or bomb onto civilian houses and apartment building.

Somehow these apologists want everyone to believe that Hamas is responsible for an Israeli soldier directing their missile/bomb onto the heads of civilians.

Under Israeli logic, Israel can never be held responsible for anything because no matter how big the crime they commit, somehow its always the fault of Hamas. Somehow a soldier deliberately aiming and directing his bomb onto the heads of civilians is Hamas fault, because only if Hamas and the Palestinians would submit totally and let Israel annex their land whenever it wishes to do so, then no Israeli soldier would need to direct their bomb onto a civilian.

Israelis and their apologists are disgusting, the world is starting to realize this now, even though I have known this for an eternity.

I didn't mean to.

the colorized version of Paths of Glory

in Gaza with support of Hamas is ridiculous. Bad argument and an unhealthy one for peace if the sides can ever get there.

Smells like...terrorism!

*no napalm was harmed in the making of this photo.

End "aid" to Israel immediately

ghettoes, pogroms and genocide.

I don't really know, but I'm looking at a wasteland where probably many people died. And now I want to know where the fuck you get off saying that every death was totally justified. And all that damage, as well.

If this was some terrorist stronghold or some deviant city of doom, then my apologies.

Israel Defense Forces on Sunday said that Hamas is using the residential neighborhood of Shuja’iya, in northern Gaza, as a “fortress for its weapons,” publishing declassified aerial photos showing how rockets are being hidden in mosques, hospitals, playgrounds and cemeteries, as well as a cut-through diagram showing how a mosque and two adjacent buildings, connected by tunnels that extend to the Israeli border, was used as a depot for Hamas rockets.

Shuja’iya was the focus of heavy fighting on Saturday night to close the tunnels that allow militants to infiltrate the Israeli border. In the past 13 days, Hamas has fired over 140 rockets from Shuja’iya into Israel, the IDF said. It described Shuja’iya as a densely populated neighborhood, close to the Karni Crossing and just over the border from the Israeli community of Kibbutz Nahal Oz.

The IDF said Shuja’iya was “a stronghold for Hamas terrorist activity,” and is “saturated with Hamas observations points and is home to a vast network of tunnels used for attacking Israel.” Meanwhile, Hamas “exploits many of the neighborhood’s mosques as weapons caches as well as launching pits which are used to fire rockets at Israel.”

The IDF said that since the beginning of the ground phase of Operation Protective Edge, IDF soldiers have found 10 openings to terror tunnels in Shuja’iya. “These tunnels are used for infiltrating Israel, smuggling weapons, and launching rockets at Israeli civilians.”

It said that, as well as the proximity to the Israeli border, the density of tunnels and weapons is due to Shuja’iya also being a battleground between Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, with their internal turmoil in Gaza brewing since 2007.

(More at link)

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/21/idf-hamas-uses-residential-neighborhood-of-shujaiya-as-fortress-for-its-weapons/

I don't think for a second that this article justifies the complete destruction of a neighborhood. But you asked, so I answered with what the IDF said.

Viable alternatives we can support.

You have a flair for making the ludicrous visible with your colorful language.

War pigs..