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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 06:00 AM Jul 2014

Why People Are Organizing to End U.S. Empire

http://www.alternet.org/activism/why-people-are-organizing-end-us-empire



World history is filled with empires, e.g. the Roman and Byzantine empires, the European colonial empires, various ancient Iranian empires, the Arab Caliphate and Ottoman Empire, the Soviet Union to name a few. These historic empires have one thing in common: they no longer exist. As the lifecycle of empire wanes, rather than being a benefit to the home country, sustaining empire becomes more expensive than it is worth.

While the US economy and military remain the largest in the world, the economy is faltering and losing its vitality. Chalmers Johnson, a CIA analyst who became a critic of the agency and author of a series on US Empire, writes:

“Thirty-five years from now, America's official century of being top dog (1945-2045) will have come to an end; its time may, in fact, be running out right now. We are likely to begin to look ever more like a giant version of England at the end of its imperial run, as we come face-to-face with, if not necessarily to terms with, our aging infrastructure, declining international clout, and sagging economy.”

The US began as a colony of European empires, especially of England, and then evolved into its own North American Empire. Thomas Jefferson called the United States an “empire of Liberty” when he purchased the Louisiana Territory in 1803. As “Manifest Destiny” took root, the US stole land of Indigenous peoples, appropriated Texas and Oregon and then went onto California. The Mexican War and Texas cessation took 55% of Mexico’s pre-1836 territory including lands in present day California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming as well as Texas through its cession from Mexico.

The modern US Empire has its roots in the Spanish-American War when the US occupied Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines and in the two World Wars. Since World War II, the United States has been a growing global imperial power at war—somewhere—every year. Seymour Melman wrote in March of 2003: “Now, at the start of the twenty-first century, every major aspect of American life is being shaped by our Permanent War Economy.” This has been a prime cause of the hollowing out of the domestic economy.
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Why People Are Organizing to End U.S. Empire (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2014 OP
A Dying Empire Decaying From Within - Clear For All To See cantbeserious Jul 2014 #1
Anyone who thinks they know what will happen 35 years from now is delusional. randome Jul 2014 #2
Hubris always leads to catastrophe. History proves it. nt Live and Learn Jul 2014 #3
No hubris from my corner. I couldn't care less if America is #1 or not. randome Jul 2014 #4
I was referring to the hubris our country suffers, Live and Learn Jul 2014 #6
+10 (nt) PosterChild Jul 2014 #11
All it takes is one oil producer to say... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #20
Sure, but if we go down, the world economy goes down. randome Jul 2014 #22
Not so much a cautionary tale... sendero Jul 2014 #5
The whole world is going to change because of limited resources 4dsc Jul 2014 #7
Regarding population growth, my guess is Cyrano Jul 2014 #12
We were never meant to be an Empire Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #8
The way it is old man 76 Jul 2014 #9
We've actually been CONTINUALLY at war . . ., brush Jul 2014 #10
America was founded on the Profit Motive truebluegreen Jul 2014 #13
History will not judge us kindly Danascot Jul 2014 #14
I actually think the US Empire is going to grow a bunch Bandit Jul 2014 #15
No thanks. Brigid Jul 2014 #21
When the fight for limited resources begins... conservaphobe Jul 2014 #16
Miss Cleo: "Arrr ...I tell you everything you already know" L0oniX Jul 2014 #17
"History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #18
In order to understand where Chalmers Johnson is coming from one should read "The Rise and Fall of jwirr Jul 2014 #19
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. Anyone who thinks they know what will happen 35 years from now is delusional.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 06:29 AM
Jul 2014

If America isn't the prime mover of the economy and politics, then some other nation will step into the vacuum.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. No hubris from my corner. I couldn't care less if America is #1 or not.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 06:49 AM
Jul 2014

It's a poorly written article since the point -judging by the title- must be buried somewhere near the end. I don't give much credence to ramblers masquerading as writers.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
6. I was referring to the hubris our country suffers,
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:00 AM
Jul 2014

although your personal projection of the statement is certainly understandable.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
20. All it takes is one oil producer to say...
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jul 2014

that they will sell oil for currency other than the dollar and it will be over. This is the main reason we kiss Saudi ass- they are the big boys of OPEC.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
22. Sure, but if we go down, the world economy goes down.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jul 2014

It's no longer as straight-forward as it used to be. That's a good thing. A world united -even if it's only in terms of money- keeps us all 'honest'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

sendero

(28,552 posts)
5. Not so much a cautionary tale...
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 06:50 AM
Jul 2014

... as an prediction of the inevitable. Because nothing of substance is going to change.

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
7. The whole world is going to change because of limited resources
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:33 AM
Jul 2014

Its sad that more people don't recognize the train wreck this world is headed for because we are simply going to be using far less resources than we have today with more people. We are going to add billions of more people in the next 30 years and world cannot provide adequate resources to take care of them.

Resources wars are already taking place although that's not what the headlines read.

Cyrano

(15,043 posts)
12. Regarding population growth, my guess is
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:58 AM
Jul 2014

that it's just a matter of time before almost every country in the world limits families to just one child. Population growth is the flip side of limited resouces.

 

Roy Serohz

(236 posts)
8. We were never meant to be an Empire
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 07:37 AM
Jul 2014

But here we are, going the way of the Babylonians, Romans, British, etc.

old man 76

(228 posts)
9. The way it is
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:17 AM
Jul 2014

If one looks back at history all great countries have come to an end. In most cases this is not the end of the country only a move from the ultimate world power to just one of the normal countries in the world. Maybe hard to take but not so terrible either.

brush

(53,794 posts)
10. We've actually been CONTINUALLY at war . . .,
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jul 2014

occupying countries for resources and staging coups and/or assassinations since the 1890s when we sent gunboats to Hawaii at the behest of ex-pat American planters to overthrow the monarchy who had denied their demands for more land. Operations in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philippines soon followed ("Overthrow — America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq" by Stephen Kinzer details it all).

My point is we've been doing dirt for corporate profits in the world for a lot longer time than since WWll. Add that to "Manifest Destiny" and all the dirt done on this continent and we've churned up a whole lot of negative energy that is bound to correct itself.

We do have one good thing going though, our demographics are changing which will displace the warmongers and their bought-and-paid-for legislators eventually with more sane foreign policy that leans towards diplomacy rather than troops and bombs (see Obama/Kerry).

It won't happen without a tumultuous upheaval here though as those who've exercised privilege and power since the country's founding won't give up without a fight. And this will all be exacerbated even more by our declining economic clout, stature and respect in the world. The vultures will be circling.

If we thought the 60s was a tumultuous time, look out for the 2020s and 2030s.

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
14. History will not judge us kindly
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 09:11 AM
Jul 2014

We spent our efforts, intellect and money on war and business at the expense of environment, education, science, healthcare, infrastructure and the like.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
15. I actually think the US Empire is going to grow a bunch
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:51 AM
Jul 2014

I thnk Global Warming is going to destabalize the world and America being the Military Power that it is and will continue to be, will move in to help other countries that will be in need. We will be the world's police and will gain control over much of the world.

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
16. When the fight for limited resources begins...
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jul 2014

I hope we're still strong enough to take it all.

I'm not embarrassed to admit that.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
18. "History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jul 2014
"History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves to the property of others." - Voltaire

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
19. In order to understand where Chalmers Johnson is coming from one should read "The Rise and Fall of
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jul 2014

the Greatest Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2000" by Paul Kennedy. In this book he looks at the reasons that the Empires during this time fell. Each Empire kept expanding their influence in the world until they were overstretched and spending most of their capital on keeping control of the outlying territories they thought they needed to control. In order to afford this Empire these examples began cutting back on spending at home and crumbled from within.

In the last chapter he shows us were the USA is already overstretched and heading for trouble. I have watched this after I read the book and it has only gotten worse, especially in the W years and since as we try to control the ME.

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