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Marta and I had our first Cherokee Purple Tomato tonight. Organically grown and delicious! It came from here: http://www.iowanafarm.com/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/08/12/211372152/how-a-seed-saver-discovered-one-of-our-favorite-tomatoes
A Cherokee purple tomato grown in Alaska in 2011.
by ELIZA BARCLAY August 14, 201312:31 PM ET
Sherry Shiesl Tatiana's TOMATObase
Fortunately for those of us who are suckers for novelty, every year fruits and vegetables seem to come in more bewitching colors, shapes and flavors. Lately, we've been tickled by the cotton candy grape and the vibrant orange Turkish eggplant. (Egg yolks can be ghostly white, too, but that's another story.)
If you go to the farmers market this time of year, tomatoes are strutting their stuff in all sorts of glorious and quirky hues: green striped, white, pink, even purplish-brown. They boast intriguing names, like Mortgage Lifter, Arkansas Traveler and Pink Berkeley Tie Dye. Some are true heirlooms, passed down over decades or centuries. Others are brand new to the world, the progeny of the latest cross-breeding experiments.
We got to wondering just who, besides farmers, is to thank for this expanding panoply. And we learned that while there are many professional breeders tinkering with the desirable traits that show up in the new varieties, amateur breeders passionate seed savers and collectors also play a vital role in discovering fruit and vegetable varieties guarded and nurtured by families over generations. Every now and then, these amateurs convince seed companies that the rest of the world will want to enjoy something they've discovered.
Craig LeHoullier, a retired chemist from Raleigh, N.C., can take credit for introducing us to the Cherokee Purple tomato, one of the most popular heirlooms grown and sold today. You'd be forgiven if your first impression of this fruit, with its ungainly bulges and tones of brown, green and purple, was dismissive. But its flavor consistently knocks socks off, with its balance of sweet, acid and savory even a hint of smoke.
FULL story at link.
Be sure and say thanks to NRaleighLiberal for doing this.
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)and now it really makes me smile even more.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)We get all our heirloom seeds from this company, which also works with Seeds Savers.
http://www.rareseeds.com/
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Both the magazine and the catalog foster a real sense of community.
The owners are a young couple totally dedicated to heirloom seeds and gardening.
NOT connected to the corporate world.
malaise
(269,054 posts)but we'll be eating home grown in four weeks.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Here it is growing in my Raleigh garden in 2002....first year I owned a digital camera!
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)That you are you!
OS
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Just a suggestion. But I am in awe.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)yup...blushing here, but it is me!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)We typically grow 40 different tomato varieties ever year. If we sell any, it's to friends and a couple of local restaurants. Cherokee Purple is a winner every year!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)but it wasn't nearly as good as when it grows here in NC. Then again, could have just been the season - it got a late start, too.
I think in my 30 years of heirloom tomato growing, I've tried 1500-2000 different varieties - I've always got multiple projects going on!
blm
(113,065 posts)Lest anyone has forgotten.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I always admire your sig photos, but woah. That's unfreakingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)I grew it, named it and sent it to a seed company....also listed it with the Seed Savers Exchange. I am staggered at how it caught on!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I don't believe I've ever tasted this tomato, but now I would just love to. And when you write your book, please let us all know as I would definitely order a copy. Or maybe a weekly gardening column; do you by chance have a blog?
Good on ya for doing what you love and sharing it with the world!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Your bountiful harvest makes me so jealous! And I love your cats. I have two Maine Coons as well and they pretty much lay around all day too.
Thanks for the links!
ETA: One last question, it looks like most of your plants are in pots? WOW!
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)You should have a book signing there next year!
http://www.tomatoartfest.com/
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)my publisher tells me they will have me on the road for the first half of next year...yikes! Thanks for the heads up...I will pass that on to my publicist at Storey.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)mopinko
(70,127 posts)hoping to do a tomato tasting, too.
at my little farm.
right craig?
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)I'm glad I made this post.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)by Cherokee Indians "100 years ago" (this was in 1990) - Seviereville, TN. I grew the tomato, it was the first chlorphyll-retention (aka "black" - in this case clear skinned, hence on the purple side) I'd heard of - so I took the lineage and the color, called it Cherokee Purple, and sent it to Southern exposure Seed Exchange.
So weird to walk through farmers markets and see it and realize that it is kinda my fault, in a way!
Seriously, I've been a very lucky gardener - so many people sent me so many great family heirlooms over the years - I got to name and introduce Lillian's Yellow Heirloom, ensure Anna Russian became well known, and so many others - the 1985-1995 period was really when heirlooms started to enter the mainstream and more gardeners started to focus on them...
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)and I'm going to blame you every time I eat one from my own garden.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Specifically New England?
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)There is a seed catalogue in Canada that carries it. They don't usually carry stuff that doesn't grow here, so I think it would grow in your climate (you may have to start them a bit earlier is all).
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)I sent him seeds, sometimes plants - late in life he really got into it - was great to share a hobby with him!
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)I first grew Cherokee Purple around 1995 and have had great results, as it is fairly early for a Heirloom. I try to stick with varieties that mature in 75 Days or less after transplanting. I grew them again last Year, but they suffered an attack of Late Blight and didn't fare well.
LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)Habibi
(3,598 posts)but of those I have done, CP is my absolute favorite. I'm growing Brandywines this year (the plants were free, so why not?), and can't wait until they're ripe!
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I've been eating them for 3 weeks here in Dallas. All I can say is, OMG. I started them from seed and they have been fabulous.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Our own Tomato Man in the news!!!
I LOVE Cherokee Purple!
madokie
(51,076 posts)ours this year are as big as a slice of bread. Cherokee purple and Carolina gold is our two favs
AllyCat
(16,189 posts)As I usually start from seed and was running for school board this spring and had no time. This cultivar was not available from my local garden center thus spring. Eager to start these seeds next year!
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)He has put his heart and soul into tomatoes.....and we are all beneficiaries of his efforts.
curlyred
(1,879 posts)Yum! Consistently one of our highest yielding tomatoes. Started from seed in February.
Thank you so much!!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)It appeared in my garden in 1997, from a single plant of Cherokee Chocolate....which itself appeared in 1995 from a single plant of Cherokee Purple!
Single best tomato we've eaten this year!
Johnny's Selected Seeds has it, as well as Victory Seeds and others, I am sure.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Cherokee Purple is my favorite tomato of all! So cool that you had a part in saving such a delicious variety. But I have a question...
I got to the market a little too late last week, and my favorite heirloom growers were a little low on stock. They were all out of Cherokees, so the guy recommended a container of fairly small (2in dia), quite round, blemish-free tomato, with coloring very much like the cherokee purple. The grower told me that this tomato was so good, that next year, he is going to plant his whole field with just them.
Well, come to find out, he wasn't just blowin' smoke! They were so delicious...dark and juicy, and a flavor that almost had a hint of smokiness. Fantastic on pizza! He told me the name; but, of course, I forgot. Now this week I have to go out of town, and will miss the market.
Do you have any idea what that tomato's name was? Maybe if you mention it, it will jog my memory.
Thanks.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)The "black" tomato craze - first Cherokee Purple and Black Krim and Price's Purple in 1991, followed by a whole slew from the former USSR - including Black from Tula, Southern Night, Black Sea Man - later Black Prince and Paul Robeson - most recently Carbon and Black Cherry, unstable discoveries like Black Brandywine, mystery varieties like Vorlon, who knows where they came from types like the small round brown Bruno Rosso/Kumado, newly created ones like Pale Perfect Purple - came as the interest in seed saving exploded (aided by ebay, which brought lots of smaller seed sellers)...
Even though tomatoes typically pollinate themselves, bees do visit the flowers, so crosses can occur. Relatively inexperienced/new seed savers - or just the odds of so many people saving them - mean that we are seeing lots of accidental crosses, which lead to new, unstable varieties.
As an example, I grew some Arkansas Traveler plants from seed sent to me by a friend - he saved it. I got a mix of regular looking and dwarf plants - I grew out one of the typical tall ones, and my seedling customers of course did as well. We are experiencing a mix of results - round pink (expected), round purple, short pink - clearly we are seeing segregation due to an earlier accidental cross.
All of this means that the smaller round purple is probably not an heirloom or available commercial variety, but the result of a cross between Cherokee Purple and ??? - he may have gotten lucky with the one you bought and will have trouble recreating it on a large scale (well, until someone does some stability work on it for a few years) - or he may have gotten lucky and grown a mutation for round smaller fruit that will be stable.
Best thing to do - save some seed from one of the tomatoes and grow it out (if you want to send me some, I will try it next year and see what I get).
When I go to Farmers Markets I see all sorts of errors - signs saying tomato is variety X, but it is clearly not. It's OK since even if a cross or mix up or mistake it will be very good to eat - but for historical accuracy/tracking purposes, the whole heirloom/story/variety thing has become quite a tangled web...which I really enjoy sorting out!
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Finally convinced hubby that we no longer needed to grow GMO seeds he had been getting from our local co-op. We had terrible luck w/garden the last 3 yrs. When he planted these seeds in the hotbed, he also planted some coop Bradley seeds he had saved. The difference in the plants was stunning. The Cherokee Purps were so much healthier & more vibrant. (I think I made a believer out of him. ) I must admit I was taken aback by the unusual shapes we've encountered from these Purps. Many remind me of a brain! The flavor is delicious though!
We got our seeds from Baker Creek Seed in MO.
THANKS, NRaleighLiberal!
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I hope to do Cherokee Purple next year. I grew it once before, but didn't have optimal gardening conditions and didn't have much experience. The very few tomatoes I got were so good, though.
This year I have Homestead, Mr. Stripey, Parks Whopper, Big Boy (?) and two others I can't remember the name of, one of them a cherry/grape tomato. The Parks Whopper and Big Boy were my mother's choice, and so far have produced nice tomatoes.
I've been processing tomatoes like crazy for the past few days, getting ready to make sauce. I'm putting a lot of the cherry/grape tomatoes away as diced tomatoes, at least the ones I'm not eating.
The garden is going to need to be much, much bigger next year.
I may be thinking of someone else, but weren't you at one time over on the Garden Web, NRL? I remember reading about Cherokee Purple there, which is why I tried it when I found some plants (at Lowe's).
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Hopefully it will be easily resolved - THANK YOU to NCRaleigh!
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wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Barnes and Noble is a blue company.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)I wonder how they'd do in Florida.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)They grow just fine...
However, I found that the caterpillars REALLY liked that plant. After my second yield, I came home to find my plant was nothing but sticks, and a couple really fat caterpillars nearby.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)My buddy got a bunch of heirloom seeds awhile back, and he gave me some seedlings from his garden. I grew some Cherokee Purple, Cherokee Chocolate, and Green Zebra varieties. They were all quite tasty.
I haven't been much of a gardener the last year or so, however... Haven't had the extra time to take care of the garden. So, I've been buying and enjoying the TastiLee tomatoes they sell at Publix. So good.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)The only tomato that'll ripen for me in Oakland is early girl. Luckily, they're delicious.