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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:05 AM Aug 2014

How propaganda is produced: 125 world legal scholars condemn Israel pogrom, all labelled anti-Semite

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/01/former-un-official-charged-with-anti-semitism-now-california-academic-takes-on/

I think it is disgusting and anti-democratic for anyone to label another with vicious slander and smears at the mere suggestion that Israel is not the new Eden and it's leaders angels on earth, and here is an example of how it is done......isolate and demonize an individual and then use a broad brush to smear them all......an ad hominem fallacy used in a group smear.

Do not mention the contents of the letter, the other scholars and then run to the Heritage Foundation, a cesspool of extreme right wing nonsense led by the grandfather of the tea party for back up. It is disgusting, it is fascist in nature and the less people fooled, the less effective.

Do not let the propagandists and haters silence your legitimate voice.

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The “Joint Declaration by International Law Experts on Israel’s Gaza Offensive” is currently posted on Falk’s personal blog and is spreading through the left-wing blogosphere.

Falk adds that he and his fellow signatories “welcome additional signatures that can be sent to me in the comments section, with affiliation noted for identification, and names will be periodically added to the text.”

Joint Declaration by International Law Experts on Israel’s Gaza Offensive

"As international and criminal law scholars, human rights defenders, legal experts and individuals who firmly believe in the rule of law and in the necessity for its respect in times of peace and more so in times of war, we feel the intellectual and moral duty to denounce the grave violations, mystification and disrespect of the most basic principles of the laws of armed conflict and of the fundamental human rights of the entire Palestinian population committed during the ongoing Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip. We also condemn the launch of rockets from the Gaza Strip, as every indiscriminate attack against civilians, regardless of the identity of the perpetrators, is not only illegal under international law but also morally intolerable. However, as also implicitly noted by the UN Human Rights Council in its Resolution of the 23th July 2014, the two parties to the conflict cannot be considered equal, and their actions – once again – appear to be of incomparable magnitude."

More.........




http://richardfalk.wordpress.com
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Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one debater maligns the character of another debater (e.g, "The members of the opposition are a couple of fascists!&quot , but this is actually not that common. A more typical manifestation of argumentum ad hominem is attacking a source of information -- for example, responding to a quotation from Richard Nixon on the subject of free trade with China by saying, "We all know Nixon was a liar and a cheat, so why should we believe anything he says?" Argumentum ad hominem also occurs when someone's arguments are discounted merely because they stand to benefit from the policy they advocate -- such as Bill Gates arguing against antitrust, rich people arguing for lower taxes, white people arguing against affirmative action, minorities arguing for affirmative action, etc. In all of these cases, the relevant question is not who makes the argument, but whether the argument is valid.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/01/former-un-official-charged-with-anti-semitism-now-california-academic-takes-on/

Sorry about the link to Fox, but sometimes you have to go into the henhouse to break a few eggs.

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Is this man also anti-Semite, the anti-Semite police should weigh in:


http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/04/09/last-of-warsaw-ghetto-survivors-calls-for-rebellion-against-israeli-occupation/

On Yom Ha-Shoah, one of the few remaining living survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto, Chavka Fulman-Raban, delivered a fierce denunciation of evil and injustice, including the Israeli Occupation.
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How propaganda is produced: 125 world legal scholars condemn Israel pogrom, all labelled anti-Semite (Original Post) Fred Sanders Aug 2014 OP
When you're doing what was done to you malaise Aug 2014 #1
It's all they have n2doc Aug 2014 #2
Funny how you never get a definition of the word from the erstwhile label junkies........now we Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
Antisemitism: LTX Aug 2014 #4
the first 3 synonyms Fred Drum Aug 2014 #5
Perhaps better education would suffice: LTX Aug 2014 #9
I had a heated discussion about Semite and Anti-Semite on DU TexasProgresive Aug 2014 #6
What I disagree with is the use of anti-semite to smear anyone who disagrees with Likud n2doc Aug 2014 #16
You'll hear no argument from me. n/t TexasProgresive Aug 2014 #18
The propaganda has plenty of credit left in America, the media in America is full metal propaganda. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #19
Maybe time to stand up and say "I am proud to be anti-war." oldandhappy Aug 2014 #7
Criticism of the actions of the government of Israel is not anti-Semitism. hifiguy Aug 2014 #8
Surprised my post not sent to jury, first one of several in a week on Israel.......progress? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #10
Not by definition but it can be just as criticism of Obama isn't necessarily racist but it can be TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #13
are there any reputable sources for this? Doctor_J Aug 2014 #11
It is not Fox nation, it is Fox and you need to post the propaganda to discuss it, which is all I am Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12
I wonder if this pattern is why the U.S. Congress is so supportive of Isreal. Trillo Aug 2014 #14
You can fight the labelling, it only takes truth and the courage to speak it....lot of cowards here. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #15
Just like the boy who cried wolf. 4now Aug 2014 #17

malaise

(269,054 posts)
1. When you're doing what was done to you
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:10 AM
Aug 2014

you can't scream anti-Semitism. That meme no longer works and rational people no longer care about being so labelled. Truth will out.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. It's all they have
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:22 AM
Aug 2014

They don't have the truth, so they label you "anti-semitic". Funny thing, "semite" covers Jews AND Muslims.

Semite: member of Semitic-speaking people: a member of a Semitic-speaking people of Southwest Asia, including the Arab and Jewish peoples, and the ancient Assyrians, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, and Phoenicians


By this definition Likud and Netanyahu are BOTH anti-semites. Not that their supporters will allow for that!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Funny how you never get a definition of the word from the erstwhile label junkies........now we
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:25 AM
Aug 2014

know why....the very word is propaganda.

LTX

(1,020 posts)
4. Antisemitism:
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:44 AM
Aug 2014
an·ti–Sem·i·tism, noun

: hatred of Jewish people

Full Definition of ANTI-SEMITISM

: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

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anti-Semitism (n.)

also antisemitism, 1881, from German Antisemitismus, first used by Wilhelm Marr (1819-1904) German radical, nationalist and race-agitator, who founded the Antisemiten-Liga in 1879; see anti- + Semite.

Not etymologically restricted to anti-Jewish theories, actions, or policies, but almost always used in this sense. Those who object to the inaccuracy of the term might try Hermann Adler's Judaeophobia (1882). Anti-Semitic (also antisemitic) and anti-Semite (also antisemite) also are from 1881, like anti-Semitism they appear first in English in an article in the "Athenaeum" of Sept. 31, in reference to German literature.


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Etymology:

From the German Antisemitismus, which was coined in 1879 by German political agitator Wilhelm Marr to replace Judenhass ("Jew-hatred&quot to make hatred of the Jews seem rational and sanctioned by scientific knowledge. The similar term antisemitisch ("anti-semitic&quot was first used in 1860, by Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider.

The term is superficially/synchronically equivalent to anti- +? Semitism (see Semite), for which reason it is rarely extended to cover prejudice against any Semitic people, or against adherents of any of the religions that originated among the Semitic peoples (the Abrahamic religions). See the usage notes.


Usage notes:


Though Semitic refers in a broader sense to all those who speak Semitic languages (including e.g. Arabs and Assyrians), the term anti-Semitism has historically referred to prejudice against Jews alone. To avoid the confusion of the misnomer, many scholars of the subject (such as Emil Fackenheim) now favor the unhyphenated antisemitism in order to emphasize that the word should be read as a single unified term, not as a meaningful root word-prefix combination.


Synonyms:

anti-Hebrewism
anti-Israelitism
anti-Jewishness
antijewism, anti-Jewism
antijudaism, anti-Judaism
anti-Shemitism
Jewhatred, Jew-hatred
Judeophobia

Fred Drum

(293 posts)
5. the first 3 synonyms
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:05 AM
Aug 2014

Hebrew=israeli=jew

obviously these are not synonymous

we need better definitions

LTX

(1,020 posts)
9. Perhaps better education would suffice:
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:07 PM
Aug 2014

"'Israelites' are defined as the descendants of Jacob, son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham. Eber, an ancestor of Jacob (seven generations removed), is a distant ancestor of many people, including the Israelites, Ishmaelites, Edomites, Moabites, Ammonites, Midianites and Qahtanites.

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia the terms 'Hebrews' and 'Israelites' usually describe the same people, stating that they were called Hebrews before the conquest of the Land of Canaan and Israelites afterwards. Professor Nadav Na'aman and others say that the use of the word 'Hebrew' to refer to Israelites is rare and when used it is used 'to Israelites in exceptional and precarious situations, such as migrants or slaves.'"

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
6. I had a heated discussion about Semite and Anti-Semite on DU
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:35 AM
Aug 2014

The coining of the word antisemitic by a German writer, Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet in the 19th century , "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry" I guess Herr Marr did not know or care that Arabs are Semites as well. So the word antisemitic has a very narrow meaning of anti-Jew.

I disagree but that's the way it is. I guess we must use something cumbersome like, " Semite loathers" to describe those who hate Semitic people indiscriminately. I would think there are more than a few of these haters in the U.S..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=70494

Known as the father of modern antisemitism, Wilhelm Marr led the fight to overturn Jewish emancipation in Germany.

Born in 1819, Marr entered politics as a democratic revolutionary who favored the emancipation of all oppressed groups, including Jews. However, when he became embittered about the failure of the 1848-49 German Revolution to democratize Germany, and about his own rapidly declining political fortunes, he turned his venom against the Jews. His essay “Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum von nicht confessionellen Standpunkt” (“The Victory of Judaism over Germandom: From a Non-Denominational Point of View”) reached its 12th edition in 1879.

Marr’s conception of antisemitism focused on the supposed racial, as opposed to religious, characteristics of the Jews. His organization, the League of Antisemites, introduced the word “antisemite” into the political lexicon and established the first popular political movement based entirely on anti-Jewish beliefs.

Marr’s often-reprinted political tract, “The Victory of Judaism over Germandom,” warned that “the Jewish spirit and Jewish consciousness have overpowered the world.” He called for resistance against “this foreign power” before it was too late. Marr thought that before long “there will be absolutely no public office, even the highest one, which the Jews will not have usurped.” For Marr, it was a badge of honor to be called an antisemite.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/WilhelmMarr.html


n2doc

(47,953 posts)
16. What I disagree with is the use of anti-semite to smear anyone who disagrees with Likud
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:19 PM
Aug 2014

As has been pointed out many times, Likud does not equal Israel and Israel does not equal all Jews. People of good conscious can be appalled at what the IDF is doing and not hate Jews or want bad things to happen to them. It is exactly the same spear that was applied to the left when we opposed Bush's actions - we were called anti-American, or America-haters. Happened in the 80's and in the 60's as well. Antisemite is just a more charged term because of the history.

The supporters of the IDF's actions are cowards who hide behind name calling because they have nothing left, all their propaganda has been discredited.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
19. The propaganda has plenty of credit left in America, the media in America is full metal propaganda.
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:32 PM
Aug 2014

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
7. Maybe time to stand up and say "I am proud to be anti-war."
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:44 AM
Aug 2014

I do it when I have a chance --

War is not the answer.
I am anti-war.
I do not agree with war.
I will work against war and those for whom war is a choice.
War does not settle things.
War creates more hate.
War breeds war.

I am proud to be anti-war!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. Criticism of the actions of the government of Israel is not anti-Semitism.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:51 AM
Aug 2014

Anyone who says otherwise is a goddamn liar or has a not-so-hidden agenda.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. It is not Fox nation, it is Fox and you need to post the propaganda to discuss it, which is all I am
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:22 PM
Aug 2014

doing. My apologies and rationale for doing so are in the post.

Believe me, I feel dirty for even doing that.

Forgive me?

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
14. I wonder if this pattern is why the U.S. Congress is so supportive of Isreal.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014

It's an interesting psychological tactic, with multiple levels of effects. One, to confound Zionism (Israel) with Judiasm (religion). Two, to paint any criticism with racism. I'm sure there are other levels.

If you're an elected representative, it could be perceived as very damaging to be labeled anti-semitic.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
15. You can fight the labelling, it only takes truth and the courage to speak it....lot of cowards here.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:19 PM
Aug 2014

4now

(1,596 posts)
17. Just like the boy who cried wolf.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:54 PM
Aug 2014

That word used to have a sting to it.
Now it is so over used and improperly used that it has become a punch line.

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