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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:07 AM Aug 2014

I’m freaking depressed....Poll shows Obamacare..

more unpopular than ever.. Close to ten million signed up...yet the poll reveals that repeated attacks from republicans have been effective....

Fuck it...sometimes I feel that our country deserves what it gets... Let all these people who continually support right wing fear mongering of govt..feel the pain, to the point that they are forced to realize that they have been duped by their own stupidity..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/obamacare-poll_n_5639192.html

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I’m freaking depressed....Poll shows Obamacare.. (Original Post) busterbrown Aug 2014 OP
It's one damned poll; I wouldn't let it babylonsister Aug 2014 #1
No one likes to be forced to buy a product from a third party corporation. former9thward Aug 2014 #2
Yep. Younger Americans don't like to be forced to buy something they don't think they need. Dawgs Aug 2014 #3
We buy auto insurnace and many do not think we will be involved in an accident. Auto insurance is Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #6
How can you get auto insurance without a car? former9thward Aug 2014 #13
You purchase liability insurance in case you are driving a vehicle in which is involved in an Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #15
Companies insure cars. former9thward Aug 2014 #32
Holy Crap!!! Look at the way govt has it’s dirty hands on our car’s... busterbrown Aug 2014 #34
I have no idea if you read the thread. former9thward Aug 2014 #36
Heck all I wanted to mention is the fact that the Texas DMV... busterbrown Aug 2014 #37
Thanks, former9thward Aug 2014 #40
Yea, that sounds very weird... busterbrown Aug 2014 #41
I'm not saying I agree with them. I'm just saying that many younger people think like libertarians. Dawgs Aug 2014 #17
Can we count on the libertarians to pay a hospital bill they might get in the future? Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #22
Wouldn't it be great to have public option car insurance too? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #26
I can't say this is an advantage,there are lots of citizens who has not and will not drive a vehicle Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #27
There is simply no comparison betwen auto ins and healthcare. This old meme has sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #48
And as an insured person who is charged rates by health care facilities to cover Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #51
you support single payer instead then? CreekDog Aug 2014 #31
Yes I do as I have said on other threads on the topic. former9thward Aug 2014 #33
You don't support single payer? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #49
yes I do CreekDog Aug 2014 #52
From some of the remarks about ACA from some folks since it was not a single payer system they Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #4
That's because the folks who already HAVE decent insurance, and who already hate Obama SoCalDem Aug 2014 #5
i hope it works Enrique Aug 2014 #7
Their ignorance can cause an awful amount of pain for others.. busterbrown Aug 2014 #8
Propaganda n2doc Aug 2014 #9
Absolutely agree!! Our party treads so softly, doesn’t it.. busterbrown Aug 2014 #11
Stupid people will never know they were duped, especially by their own stupidity. They will continue Pisces Aug 2014 #10
If they lost their insurance? Jesus wanted it that way!!! busterbrown Aug 2014 #12
He has another plan for them don't you know. Pisces Aug 2014 #16
The article also says 60% who Use ACA like it.. don't want it repealed... KoKo Aug 2014 #14
Don't be JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #18
Right wing nuts who think its Socialism + Far left folks pissed that its not. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #19
poll finds misperceptions about the ACA,persist for the ignorant. You shouldn't be 'depressed'. Sunlei Aug 2014 #20
I have had an overwhelmingly positive experience here in Kentucky. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #21
Obamacare covers depression. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #23
ACA isn't the answer Matrosov Aug 2014 #24
The bigger problem is that is lackluster reform even as a market based strategy TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #29
First bottom line regarding the ACA in my opinion: NM_Birder Aug 2014 #25
Let me ask you... busterbrown Aug 2014 #35
"safer" to buy from the ACA ? NM_Birder Aug 2014 #47
I no longer care if the ACA is popular or not bluestateguy Aug 2014 #28
You feel the same way about ALL laws,...... that "debate over it to be closed" NM_Birder Aug 2014 #30
I don't support the ACA because it's too expensive Reter Aug 2014 #38
What state are you living in..? busterbrown Aug 2014 #42
I live in NYC Reter Aug 2014 #43
Have you checked the medicaid expansion plan for N.Y.?? busterbrown Aug 2014 #44
It says here that you are eligible for assistance.. busterbrown Aug 2014 #45
What you said woodsprite Aug 2014 #39
Yea, more interested in saving their souls than saving their lives.. busterbrown Aug 2014 #46
Well, let's vote in a democratic congress and change it to single payer! B Calm Aug 2014 #50

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
1. It's one damned poll; I wouldn't let it
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:14 AM
Aug 2014

bring you down. There will be one tomorrow with the opposite results.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
2. No one likes to be forced to buy a product from a third party corporation.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:15 AM
Aug 2014

Especially when big business gets waiver after waiver.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
3. Yep. Younger Americans don't like to be forced to buy something they don't think they need.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:18 AM
Aug 2014

And nobody likes insurance companies.

This thing is going to stay unpopular for awhile.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. We buy auto insurnace and many do not think we will be involved in an accident. Auto insurance is
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:23 AM
Aug 2014

required in many states to even get a drivers license whether we have a vehicle or not. I also know of young people who have needed health insurance, I have had health insurance for years and did not "need it" but was glad to have the insurance any how.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
13. How can you get auto insurance without a car?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
Aug 2014

That would be fraud. What insurance company is engaging in that?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. You purchase liability insurance in case you are driving a vehicle in which is involved in an
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:04 AM
Aug 2014

accident. In Texas you can not get drivers' license unless you have insurance, not fraud.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
32. Companies insure cars.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:43 PM
Aug 2014

They can't insure a car without one. To determine liability rates you must know what car you are insuring.

From the Texas DMV site:

To apply for your Texas driver's license, head to your local DPS office with:

A valid out-of-state driver's license.
Proof of your identity.
Proof of your Social Security number.
Proof of your Texas residency. One of the documents must prove that you've lived in Texas for a minimum of 30 days.
Complete required application forms available at any Texas DPS office. Your application must include a photograph and thumbprint.
Pay the required fee.
Pass the vision test.


No mention of auto insurance to get the licence.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
34. Holy Crap!!! Look at the way govt has it’s dirty hands on our car’s...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:03 PM
Aug 2014

Maybe if Texas Secedes, you won’t have to get car insurance...

But then again, lots of big expensive cars down there, so people who own them have got to protect their assets against all those illegals driving crappy cars w/o insurance..So in this case I guess govt. is good..Govt. is good only if when it protects assets..

Good luck down there and we support all you guys down there...(Progressive Dems)

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
36. I have no idea if you read the thread.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:24 PM
Aug 2014

Your post indicates you didn't. The poster I replied to said you had to have car insurance -- even if you didn't have a car -- to get a driver's licence. I say that is not true. Do you have information that it is?

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
37. Heck all I wanted to mention is the fact that the Texas DMV...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:39 PM
Aug 2014

has a lot of requirements in order to get Insurance..

Insurance protects assets... People want to protect their assets..

Texas Govt is very specific and requires a lot of steps in order to get car insurance.

Isn’t this a case of govt. over reach which right wingers talk about all the time..

Nothing to do with what you were talking about...Just the fact that you mentioned that what is needed in order to obtain insurance...

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
40. Thanks,
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:07 PM
Aug 2014

I am not from Texas. I just don't believe you need to have car insurance when you don't have a car just to get a license.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
17. I'm not saying I agree with them. I'm just saying that many younger people think like libertarians.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:38 AM
Aug 2014

Many of them don't trust the government or big business and they feel like anyone or anything requiring them to buy something they don't want is taking away their freedom.

Most of them probably love having insurance. That's different than approving of Obamacare.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
22. Can we count on the libertarians to pay a hospital bill they might get in the future?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:21 PM
Aug 2014

We have been paying through purchasing insurance for ourselves because hospitals passes the cost of non payers on to cover the expenses the hospitals incurs when taking care of the uninsured. How would you feel if you went to an emergency room and did not have insurance and they told you to come up with the money before you are treated?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. I can't say this is an advantage,there are lots of citizens who has not and will not drive a vehicle
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:05 PM
Aug 2014

so just how would your public option work, who pays for it, etc.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. There is simply no comparison betwen auto ins and healthcare. This old meme has
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 09:02 AM
Aug 2014

been destroyed over and over again. It was a failed talking point to try to push mandated insurance which came directly from those with a vested interest in saving the failing Health Insurance Corps.

I opposed mandated insurance when Obama was running and opposed it also, one of the reasons I supported him over Hillary. As he said regarding his opposition to Mandated Ins. 'if mandates worked we could end homelessness by forcing people to buy homes'.

HC is a RIGHT. And no one should be forced to buy a product from ANY Corporation. You do NOT have to own a car, that is a choice. Many people don't own cars, I don't eg. So please stop trying to equate human Health Care with automobiles.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
51. And as an insured person who is charged rates by health care facilities to cover
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 09:46 AM
Aug 2014

Those who do not have insurance and is either unable to pay it refuses to pay I am "mandated to contribute to cover their cost. If everyone was responsible for their healthcare there would nit be a need to mandate. One of the reasons most states went to auto requirements was the lack of financial responsibility. We could have it where there does not have to be mandate on health insurance by providing proof of financial responsibility. The truth is when we have a health crisis the cost is more than one can afford.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. From some of the remarks about ACA from some folks since it was not a single payer system they
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:19 AM
Aug 2014

are not happy with ACA. Disturbing but just as in Kentucky people are happy with KYNECT but unhappy with Obamacare. ACA is in the very infant stage, yes there could be some good changes but benefits are just starting to be realized.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
5. That's because the folks who already HAVE decent insurance, and who already hate Obama
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:21 AM
Aug 2014

and many of whom are still carrying their 23-24-25-26 year olds on their own policies feel free to bad-mouth the ACA..

anf if they are not eligible for a subsidy or medicaid they are envious of those who are

narrow-minded ignorant bastards

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. i hope it works
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:23 AM
Aug 2014

and if I were polled, I would say i approve of ACA.

But my feelings about it are not so strong that I think people who say they do not approve are stupid nor that they should feel pain for that opinion.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
8. Their ignorance can cause an awful amount of pain for others..
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:28 AM
Aug 2014

So they deserve some of it themselves..Ignorance is dangerous!!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
9. Propaganda
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:28 AM
Aug 2014

And the Dems aren't doing enough to point out the positives. And also showing who is obstructing fixing the problems. Fundraising seems to be more important, maybe they plan on running ads on this. Didn't do so well in 2010 with this approach.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
11. Absolutely agree!! Our party treads so softly, doesn’t it..
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:34 AM
Aug 2014

We need a bunch of warriors surrounding our POTUS...What do we have. On the national level.....

Three....Warren, Grayson and Sanders..How do possibly fight these guys with only 3....

Pisces

(5,599 posts)
10. Stupid people will never know they were duped, especially by their own stupidity. They will continue
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:33 AM
Aug 2014

to go on their stupid way until they get sick or fired or lose their insurance. Only then will they look up and still find fault with
the system.

I have in laws that benefitted from ACA and they still don't think Obama did anything good. They think he is anti Christian, that is
the only thing that matters, the only thing on their mind.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
14. The article also says 60% who Use ACA like it.. don't want it repealed...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:45 AM
Aug 2014

they just want some issues fixed by congress.

The whole article is worth a scan to see it goes deeper than just the Poll Stats.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
18. Don't be
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

If I were polled I would say - Nope. I don't. But it was the BEST START EVEEEEEEEEEER! We started where we were at - now lets keeping pushing it to a single payer system.

Once previously uninsured people get that taste of insurance - they aren't gonna give it up.

I would also like to see an eventual expansion to basic dental health.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. Right wing nuts who think its Socialism + Far left folks pissed that its not.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:54 AM
Aug 2014

Add them up, you get a majority.

Nothing new.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. poll finds misperceptions about the ACA,persist for the ignorant. You shouldn't be 'depressed'.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
Aug 2014

Millions more will learn about the benefits of personal health insurance as time goes on.

ACA is law. Thanks Obama, for removing that stress from my shoulders!

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
21. I have had an overwhelmingly positive experience here in Kentucky.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:04 PM
Aug 2014

Critics (both right and left) can go fuck themselves.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
24. ACA isn't the answer
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:31 PM
Aug 2014

Sadly, the insurance companies are the main beneficiary of ACA. I'm surprised how many conservatives are against ACA and how many progressives are in favor of it, considering how it essentially forces us to give money to corporations.

A better solution would be an expansion of Medicare and Medicaid that provides all people with basic health coverage, with the private existing merely for supplemental purposes and playing much less of a role.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
29. The bigger problem is that is lackluster reform even as a market based strategy
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

Forget single, payer, forget NHS, this is most substantially the existing system that maintains the cartel status of the insurance industry (antitrust exemption), virtually no cost control measures other than self denial of care, intentionally poor ramping to the exchanges, the inefficiency of state pools rather than harnessing the full negotiating power of the nation as a true counter weight, continuing the state based regulation that has proven ineffective and outgunned with no resources to even the odds, stubbornly and foolishly stuck with the employer based system of gatekeeping, functions under the wrongheaded assumption that individual abuse is the central driver of costs, guaranteed profits to a criminal cartel creating another too big to fail institutions back stopped by the full faith and credit of the US, abuses and distorts the taxing authority of the government by dictating the post tax spending of citizens without any voluntary action from the citizen, failed to make rescission illegal, is in no small part a big sloppy, wet kiss to the pharmaceutical industry expanding patents costing consumers and the government more money while failing to negotiate drug prices, places struggling working class folks to purchase a consumer product that they cannot afford to use.

Also, of interest on the side is the thing that is actually beneficial and working is socialism. The real hay being made here is the patchwork expansion of Medicaid, aka socialism. Yep, it is the socialist aspect of the plan that is the primary driver of both satisfaction with the plan and the increase in covered citizens. Left to invisible hand portions the plan would a bust with overwhelmed cheerleaders pointing to a few pay to play features and possible waivers for alternative exchange set ups (thanks Bernie!) as a success.

You see, when you carefully construct a plan to not disrupt the existing system you largely end up with the existing system and with little benefit to the average person. The plan ends up being a big help to the really, really poor if they have the right geography and the well off and the wealthy because they are guaranteed coverage and their liability is limited.
Most folks are getting a mandate to buy whatever slop the boss wants to serve.

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
25. First bottom line regarding the ACA in my opinion:
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:54 PM
Aug 2014

If the ACA is what's best for us peons, then the people who voted for it should pony up some balls and join it too.

If your answer to that is anything related to "they can afford the insurance they want", you will have the reason why people still balk at it. A lot of people could afford the insurance they wanted, but the people dropped out of their plans are statistically ignored.

If 10million people join, and 4 million people are dropped, and of that 10 million people that joined 2 million joined because of medicare/medicade the result is a solid 1/2 like it. 1/2 hate it which is basically what is being said. The political investment, the monetary investment, and the personal investment it took to 12th hour pass the ACA .......... to result in a statistical wash, with a net profit gain to the same insurance providers .............. about as inspirational and inspiring as "we don't spy on American's" turned out to be.










busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
35. Let me ask you...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:14 PM
Aug 2014

Wouldn’t it be safer buy insurance from ACA rather than directly through the insurance companies.

I mean, if you run into problems associated with benefits, deductibles, or other denial problems
couldn’t/ wouldn’t ...those directly working for the ACA be more likely to help the consumer.

Because 99% of the time the Insurance Companies will tell you “Tough Shit.”

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
47. "safer" to buy from the ACA ?
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 08:55 AM
Aug 2014

"greater customer service" is a new tack on the ACA I haven't seen yet.

what could possibly be more convienent than a complete upending of the health insurance industry, that doesn't change the role of the health insurance provider, but instead ADDS multiple layers of government intervention. It adds millions to the program, yet millions are dropped from pre-existing policies.

99% of statistics are made up.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
28. I no longer care if the ACA is popular or not
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:08 PM
Aug 2014

This is health care, this is people's life and death matters here, and that is not is not something that can just be put up for a majority vote or the whims of public opinion.

And besides, if you take away the white vote, then you'd have totally different numbers.

Again, I don't care. ACA is the law of the land. I consider debate over it to be closed.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
38. I don't support the ACA because it's too expensive
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:41 PM
Aug 2014

I make $26,000 per year. Asking me to pay $307 a month (cheapest plan I found)? I give the middle finger to that. It should be completely free to those who make under $50,000 a year. I'm not paying the equivalent of a car payment for health care.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
42. What state are you living in..?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

It sounds as though you should be entitled to some subsidies...

Know plenty of people who make as much as you who are not paying as much..

So again, what state are you in?

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
43. I live in NYC
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:40 PM
Aug 2014

There were several plans, and the cheapest was a Bronze plan, under Health Plus I think. What are the people you know paying?

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
39. What you said
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:49 PM
Aug 2014

"Let all these people who continually support right wing fear mongering of govt..feel the pain, to the point that they are forced to realize that they have been duped by their own stupidity.. "

It'll never happen because they are total "MORANS".

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
46. Yea, more interested in saving their souls than saving their lives..
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 05:14 PM
Aug 2014

Until they see their loved ones in pain...

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