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Bear Saves Drowning Crow (Original Post) FourScore Aug 2014 OP
Except for domestic cats, most animals don't kill for sport jberryhill Aug 2014 #1
Got to ask ...why bother scooping out a bird when all that food is there? L0oniX Aug 2014 #15
Because it was drowning jberryhill Aug 2014 #21
Domestic cats and human beings n/t malaise Aug 2014 #27
No. bear decides not to eat funny looking fish. CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #2
Yes. I thought about that, too. n/t FourScore Aug 2014 #7
Ravens have a somewhat cooperative relationships with bears and wolves. hunter Aug 2014 #16
That relationship extends to human predators as well. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #20
Just as they will follow and alert you to the presence of deer... hunter Aug 2014 #22
I read and saw videos about this. Fascinating. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #23
I have a mockingbird on my porch right now Aerows Aug 2014 #40
Treadwell was so mentally ill. closeupready Aug 2014 #30
I never could watch it but I watched the doc about the recording of the music CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #32
While an excellent film, it disturbed me. closeupready Aug 2014 #33
It was very disturbing. I felt bad for the woman stuck there with him and no way home. FourScore Aug 2014 #41
He's got a smorgasbord of carrots and apples there BainsBane Aug 2014 #3
In bear language, that's what they call 'takeout' pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #4
I wish the video were longer...the crow doesn't fly away... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #5
Or exhausted. n/t FourScore Aug 2014 #6
That appears to be a fairly young crow NV Whino Aug 2014 #8
I kept watching thinking, that's not a crow...crows are bigger... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #13
it has a beak that is slightly hooked That is a raven. RAVEN=Godliness. I have seen roguevalley Aug 2014 #24
I think it's a young hooded crow XemaSab Aug 2014 #31
it's some type of crow TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #34
Northern Exposure did a Christmas episode about the raven... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #38
it being early and all... dhill926 Aug 2014 #9
That's how I read it at first too justiceischeap Aug 2014 #11
looked to me when he had the bird in his mouth it took a peck at him TorchTheWitch Aug 2014 #35
HA! Me too! n/t FourScore Aug 2014 #14
Oh THANK YOU for posting this..... Bigmack Aug 2014 #17
I did too! Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #19
Me too Renew Deal Aug 2014 #37
It actually makes more sense that way pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #46
So when the crow returns to his fellow crow friends SummerSnow Aug 2014 #10
Go home Joe. You're drunk! alphafemale Aug 2014 #36
Big win for the Animal Nations. L0oniX Aug 2014 #12
Agreed :D roguevalley Aug 2014 #25
That's Because Crows Are Cool otohara Aug 2014 #18
I feed birds. The pyroloxia are especially friendly. panader0 Aug 2014 #28
Tarantulas?!! n/t FourScore Aug 2014 #39
I think that is a young raven. They are bigger, have a more terrifying beak and are smart with a roguevalley Aug 2014 #26
Ravens don't have any gray on them XemaSab Aug 2014 #42
poor crow. the bear saved it kinda roughly Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #29
I think he thought it was a fish and wanted to eat it. LisaL Aug 2014 #43
agreed Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #45
When I lived on he Upper East Side of Manhattan - LiberalElite Aug 2014 #44

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. No. bear decides not to eat funny looking fish.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:51 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:32 AM - Edit history (1)

People who think bears are capable of acts of kindness towards other species get killed and eaten. Ever heard of Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend?

Bears are dangerous animals that will kill you and eat you if you are stupid enough not to recognize this fact.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
16. Ravens have a somewhat cooperative relationships with bears and wolves.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:53 PM
Aug 2014

The ravens act as "eyes in the sky" and lead larger predators to food they can't kill themselves, and alert them to the presence of dangerous humans.

I've no doubt the bear was rescuing the crow and not worrying about the utility of the action. In the bear's mind it simply seemed like the right thing to do.

That doesn't mean anyone should trust a bear, or even another human.

But I suspect it's only humans who ever think, "Okay, if I rescue you, what's in it for me?"




 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
20. That relationship extends to human predators as well.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:33 PM
Aug 2014

When hunting deer, I keep tabs on crows who often raise a ruckus when deer pass through. If a crow flies around where I am posting up, that is a hint a deer is in the area.

When finished field dressing, the "clean up crew" disposes of Everything in the gut pile within 2 hrs. The crew is foxes, vultures, coyotes... and crows.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
22. Just as they will follow and alert you to the presence of deer...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

... they will avoid humans with guns who are out randomly shooting, and most especially individual humans known to shoot at them.

You see this with scrub jays and mocking birds. They'll leave harmless lazy cats alone, and harass cats known to be threats. They'll ignore most people, but remember people who have threatened them in some way.

On a campus of 51,000-plus students, paths are filled with students walking back and forth from class all day every weekday — so it’s no stretch to say that thousands of different people come within a few feet of mockingbird nests during the breeding season.

And yet, the mockingbirds in the study were clearly able to recognize and remember a single individual, based on just two brief negative encounters at their nest. Levey said that sharply contrasts with laboratory studies, in which pigeons recognized people only after extensive training. “Sixty seconds of exposure was all it took for mockingbirds to learn to identify different individuals and pick them out of all other students on campus,” Levey said.

For most wild animals, urban development brings less habitat and more predators. Many species flee or die off, but a few persist, and some thrive. It seems obvious that these species do better around people, but why?

Few people bother mockingbird nests, so that is hardly an answer. Rather, Levey said, the birds’ ability to recognize people suggests perceptual powers that give them an edge in dealing with the complexities of urban environments — such as being able to judge which cats may be aware of nests and which are simply passing blithely nearby.

http://news.ufl.edu/archive/2009/05/research-mockingbirds-no-bird-brains-can-recognize-a-face-in-a-crowd.html

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
23. I read and saw videos about this. Fascinating.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:29 PM
Aug 2014

45 yrs ago I was walking across that same campus and saw a large crowd following a campus cop. When I got closer I saw: An alligator decided to walk from one pond to another, and was proceeding to do so. They don't seem to care if its sunny or crowded. I think he/she was a biology major.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
40. I have a mockingbird on my porch right now
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:23 PM
Aug 2014

that pitches an absolute fit, divebombs the cat, and screeches at me for going out on the porch. She has a nest in a tree nearby. My cat is pretty lazy these days, but in the past, she wouldn't hesitate to snatch it out of the air. Now she just tolerates it. LOL.

They are highly intelligent birds.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
30. Treadwell was so mentally ill.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:46 PM
Aug 2014

I saw that documentary on him, "Grizzly Man", and just kept thinking, "wow, this guy was seriously looney."

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
32. I never could watch it but I watched the doc about the recording of the music
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:55 PM
Aug 2014

Which came close enough for me. Richard Thompson is an incredible improviser.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
33. While an excellent film, it disturbed me.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:21 PM
Aug 2014

He seemed like just another ex-surf'dewd' goofball wandering about - nothing really wrong with that, as I suppose many of us guys go through a phase like that on our way to manhood, but he didn't just flirt with disaster as a result - in his descent to mental illness, he lost his grip on reality itself. Almost as if he thought chanting "Wonder Twin powers, Activate!" could turn him into a grizzly bear. And I'm not exaggerating, based upon the documentary.

Peace.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
41. It was very disturbing. I felt bad for the woman stuck there with him and no way home.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:23 PM
Aug 2014

Then she very brutally lost her life, AFTER watching Treadwell get killed. Horrible.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
5. I wish the video were longer...the crow doesn't fly away...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
Aug 2014

Probably injured...hopefully he/she was attended to.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
8. That appears to be a fairly young crow
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 11:48 AM
Aug 2014

Probably not too strong to start with. And his pals didn't sound too happy about the situation.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
13. I kept watching thinking, that's not a crow...crows are bigger...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:08 PM
Aug 2014

He finally looked like a crow when upright...you're right, he's young...hopefully he's safe and learned his lesson!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
24. it has a beak that is slightly hooked That is a raven. RAVEN=Godliness. I have seen
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

them rip the wipers off of cars while screaming their heads off. We have them here. should be our state bird but isn't. They are sacred. THey brought fire to man.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
34. it's some type of crow
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:38 PM
Aug 2014

Though ravens are also in the crow family they are very much larger in size:

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-difference-between-a-raven-and-a-crow.htm
The most noticeable difference between a crow and a raven is size; in most cases, the largest black birds in this genus are known as ravens. Common Ravens are noticeably larger than American Crows, for example. Ravens average 25 inches tall (64 cm) with a 4 foot (122 cm) wing span, about the size of a hawk, while crows are around 18 inches (46 cm) tall and their wings span 3 feet (91 cm), similar to a dove.

A raven's beak is also noticeably larger, and they're completely black whereas the common crow usually has other colored feathers.

Raven's can be nasty suckers, and they're bloody huge. My dog thinks they're big black flying chickens. Crows? Meh. Not big enough to warrant a snack.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
38. Northern Exposure did a Christmas episode about the raven...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 04:29 PM
Aug 2014

One of the better ones of that series.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
11. That's how I read it at first too
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:06 PM
Aug 2014

However, I'd say the bear didn't eat the funny looking fish because the bear had plenty to eat. He's not worried about where his next meal is coming from.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
35. looked to me when he had the bird in his mouth it took a peck at him
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 03:39 PM
Aug 2014

Bear no likey biting funny looking fish.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
17. Oh THANK YOU for posting this.....
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:58 PM
Aug 2014

Did the SAME thing myself! But when I looked at the video, I thought.....that's WAY too little to be a cow....and then I had some more coffee....and saw it was a crow! Ms Bigmack

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
46. It actually makes more sense that way
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 04:14 PM
Aug 2014

I can totally see a bear storing a side of beef for after the winter.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
10. So when the crow returns to his fellow crow friends
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:04 PM
Aug 2014

and tell them what happened , they'll call him a liar.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
18. That's Because Crows Are Cool
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 01:14 PM
Aug 2014

Crows as Clever as Great Apes, Study Says
James Owen in London
for National Geographic News
December 9, 2004

Anyone who has watched crows, jays, ravens and other members of the corvid family will know they're anything but "birdbrained."

For instance, jays will sit on ant nests, allowing the angry insects to douse them with formic acid, a natural pesticide which helps rid the birds of parasites. Urban-living carrion crows have learned to use road traffic for cracking tough nuts. They do this at traffic light crossings, waiting patiently with human pedestrians for a red light before retrieving their prize.

Yet corvids may be even cleverer than we think. A new study suggests their cognitive abilities are a match for primates such as chimpanzees and gorillas. Furthermore, crows may provide clues to understanding human intelligence.

Published tomorrow in the journal Science, the study is co-authored by Nathan Emery and Nicola Clayton, from the departments of animal behavior and experimental psychology at Cambridge University, England.

They say that, while having very different brain structures, both crows and primates use a combination of mental tools, including imagination and the anticipation of possible future events, to solve similar problems. They base their argument on existing studies.

Emery and Clayton write, "These studies have found that some corvids are not only superior in intelligence to birds of other avian species (perhaps with the exception of some parrots), but also rival many nonhuman primates." http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1209_041209_crows_apes.html

I saved one last year and he and his buds came back to thank me when an owl was eye-balling my kitty - they will squawk at their nemesis until it flees. It was something

panader0

(25,816 posts)
28. I feed birds. The pyroloxia are especially friendly.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:41 PM
Aug 2014

If I don't have seed out, they will follow me and complain loudly until I behave. They will even eat out of the seed cup if I hold it near.
Cool birds. Outside my living room window, the birds, hummers, rabbits, Mexican ground squirrels, tarantulas, deer and more all eat and drink together without fearing each other. The biggest squabbles are between male quails.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
26. I think that is a young raven. They are bigger, have a more terrifying beak and are smart with a
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 02:36 PM
Aug 2014

capital art.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
44. When I lived on he Upper East Side of Manhattan -
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:37 PM
Aug 2014

one afternoon there was a bunch of crows making a racket in the backyard (I lived in an apt.). I looked out and saw all the crows in a tree and then, descending the fire escape of the opposite apartment building, a cat with a bird in its mouth. It was surreal

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