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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:31 PM Aug 2014

Fox News propaganda in one mind numbing, mind dumbing chart - 110% of Americans hate Obama.

Fox News' Phony Obama Approval Rating Chart

Here's Fox News' latest example of mind numbing right wing propaganda that they are known for.




http://crooksandliars.com/2014/07/fox-news-phony-obama-approval-rating-chart


"Let's all take a minute and give Roger Ailes a quick math lesson. One plus one equals two. Three plus three equals six. Now we can continue.

Fox News has a history of posting bogus charts and graphs to make a poll or study appear to be much worse for a democratic politician and I am at for loss of words to describe their latest mind-numbing example of right wing propaganda.

A Fox News segment displayed a misleading chart based on a poll that appeared to show 110 percent of Americans disapproved of President Obama's job performance.

On the July 30 edition of Special Report, the following chart was shown during a report by Fox News political correspondent Carl Cameron on Obama's popularity in the "twelve states most likely to decide Senate control...

I will say that Fox News is giving 110% in their efforts of lies and deceptions."

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Fox News propaganda in one mind numbing, mind dumbing chart - 110% of Americans hate Obama. (Original Post) Fred Sanders Aug 2014 OP
All I see is an ad for a motorcycle... snooper2 Aug 2014 #1
Takes me a minute to post fully using IPad.....nice horse though....give me that. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
LOL - the "margin of error is 3.1%" KurtNYC Aug 2014 #2
Next up in Fox - could be 113.1 % with the MOE....fucking useful idiots that watch Fox, hopelessly Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #4
8 out if every 6 viewers agree! tecelote Aug 2014 #31
110%? Neil deGrasse Tyson should be contacted as to how there could be 10% over the maxium possible Lint Head Aug 2014 #5
I would think Dr. Tyson understands the concept of subsets. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #17
is "strongly disapprove" to be interpreted as a subset of "disapprove"? 0rganism Aug 2014 #6
Propaganda is the antithesis of logic, you need to stop thinking there may be logic involved. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #7
sorry, just a reflex. forgot about the context for a bit there. 0rganism Aug 2014 #8
You are Correct -- On the Road Aug 2014 #12
You are correct, 'strongly disapprove' is of course a subset of 'disapprove'. PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #18
Right, but the display doesn't make that clear. The display is STOOOOPID. nt valerief Aug 2014 #20
The display is STOOOOPID. AlbertCat Aug 2014 #52
Right. STOOOOPID is effective to the stupid. nt valerief Aug 2014 #54
Yep. Disapprove is the verb, strongly is the adverb, and qualifies the verb demwing Aug 2014 #21
If you strongly disapprove... Helen Borg Aug 2014 #9
For purposes of the poll they are. bvf Aug 2014 #41
Hardly an objective place to do a poll madokie Aug 2014 #10
Don't you mean their own underwear? I doubt Obama fits that description of his personal hygiene. freshwest Aug 2014 #48
Easy now madokie Aug 2014 #50
"Strongly" always adds at least ten percent to any chart. kentauros Aug 2014 #11
The sad part is Octoberfurst Aug 2014 #13
The 50 percent was a subset of the 60 percent oberliner Aug 2014 #14
Perhaps it was a random sample of FoxNews viewers Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #15
They are a cult, the definition includes all the truth you said. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #16
As a Fox News viewer, I have to ask you "subset"? What's that? Towlie Aug 2014 #26
This type of poll is intended for a certain mindset Zambero Aug 2014 #33
Margin of error fail. Initech Aug 2014 #19
In any case, who would believe a statistic presented by Fox? mysuzuki2 Aug 2014 #22
or a fact from Carville LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #23
Imagine him measuring for how many square feet of carpet he needs. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #24
It's deceptive, but it's not incorrect..... George II Aug 2014 #25
+1 Jamaal510 Aug 2014 #42
The home of former Clintonite Mr. Dick Morris. Nuff said! blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #27
Fox News is to journalism what Greg Gutfeld is to comedy.* Botany Aug 2014 #28
All I see in this poll is that ... aggiesal Aug 2014 #30
You are 120% correct Generic Brad Aug 2014 #35
thanx Botany Aug 2014 #36
Pie chart for idiots...the idiots demand idiot news. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #38
I strongly disapprove. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #29
Could they ratchet Congress up to 500% disapproval or higher? Zambero Aug 2014 #32
exploiting the ignorance of their viewers.... spanone Aug 2014 #34
LOl.. nail meet hammer. :) Cha Aug 2014 #44
Well, there are three kinds of people in the world; Spirochete Aug 2014 #37
No, you have to do the math Tab Aug 2014 #39
C'mon,Numbers are hard easychoice Aug 2014 #40
What?! they didn't report that 75% really really Cha Aug 2014 #43
IF THE FCC... doxydad Aug 2014 #45
cmon - the mistake is yours demwing Aug 2014 #46
And the Fux Noise dummies eat this shit up. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #47
Um, that's not what it says... brooklynite Aug 2014 #49
Um, that's not what it says... AlbertCat Aug 2014 #53
Making it sloppy, not stupid or biased... brooklynite Aug 2014 #55
Making it sloppy, not stupid or biased... AlbertCat Aug 2014 #56
LINK to the original democracy corp presentation: unblock Aug 2014 #51
Yea, Yea, Yea the continued dumbing down of Americans!! tartan2 Aug 2014 #57
I know they are dumb, but that numbers makes sense if you consider the 50% as part of the 60% Xyzse Aug 2014 #58

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Next up in Fox - could be 113.1 % with the MOE....fucking useful idiots that watch Fox, hopelessly
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:36 PM
Aug 2014

stupid and hopelessly cult inducted.....the level of stupidity in their audience is sad, the exploitation of the stupid is plain evil, these are the minds of children they exploit.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
5. 110%? Neil deGrasse Tyson should be contacted as to how there could be 10% over the maxium possible
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:36 PM
Aug 2014

for anything.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
6. is "strongly disapprove" to be interpreted as a subset of "disapprove"?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 12:46 PM
Aug 2014

that would more or less jive with how i've seen poll results presented from time to time.

without digging into the actual poll numbers, one mathematically correct interpretation is "60% of poll respondents selected one of several disapproval categories, with 50% strongly disapproving."

either that or conservative viewers can't handle 2nd grade arithmetic, or maybe they just don't care.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
12. You are Correct --
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:09 AM
Aug 2014

It's typically a five-point scale, with "Disapproves" being a composite of the two bottom categories.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
18. You are correct, 'strongly disapprove' is of course a subset of 'disapprove'.
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:47 PM
Aug 2014

You can find the raw numbers here.
http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/985/071614_DCOR_Senate_Battleground_FQ_EveryVoice.web.pdf

Q.9 Do you approve or disapprove of the job being done by Barack Obama as president?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unmar
xxxxxxxxxxxxx Total Women
Strongly approve 22 27
Somewhat approve 16 17
Somewhat disapprove 9 9
Strongly disapprove 50 42
(Don't know/Refused) 3 5

Total approve 37 43
Total disapprove 60 52

Democracy Corps Democracy Corps is a non-profit organization founded in 1999 by James Carville and Stanley Greenberg.
http://www.democracycorps.com/about-us/
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
21. Yep. Disapprove is the verb, strongly is the adverb, and qualifies the verb
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:40 PM
Aug 2014

IOW - you're right, and the later # is a subset of the former.

Edited: Asked a question to which I later found an answer in thread...

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
41. For purposes of the poll they are.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 11:55 PM
Aug 2014

I don't participate in polls, but if I ever do, i'll be sure to ask the pollster if any response will be included in more than one category.

While I understand your reasoning here, you have to admit this is disingenuous above and beyond looking plain stupid.

Shame that your average Fox viewer will miss the stupid. Disingenuous has too many syllables for him/her to even comprehend, sadly.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
10. Hardly an objective place to do a poll
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 09:09 AM
Aug 2014

they've been sniffing his underwear since day one and reporting on what they smell so why would anyone expect a poll done by them to be anything but dirty undies shit stained piss dribbled opinions anyway. I know I don't

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
48. Don't you mean their own underwear? I doubt Obama fits that description of his personal hygiene.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:15 AM
Aug 2014
Obama is no Ted Nugent!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
50. Easy now
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:21 AM
Aug 2014

I wasn't comparing Obama to pantload ted, I was making light of the fact that fox noise is a less than a credible venue for an honest poll.

Octoberfurst

(42 posts)
13. The sad part is
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:40 AM
Aug 2014

that most Faux viewers wouldn't see anything wrong with that graph. Hell they wouldn't even know that added up to 110%. (Remember we are dealing with idiots.)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. The 50 percent was a subset of the 60 percent
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 10:46 AM
Aug 2014

The poll had 37-60 approve/disapprove

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/07/31/fox-newss-graphic-obama-extremely-extremely-unpopular/

Among the 37 approve, 22 strongly approve whereas among the 60 disapprove, 50 strongly disapprove.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
15. Perhaps it was a random sample of FoxNews viewers
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 11:26 AM
Aug 2014

Because they're real Americans, of course.

A real American is who:

  • Watches FoxNews 24/7
  • Thinks the first Native American was Virginia Dare
  • Hates Obama and thinks all black males were born in Kenya
  • Can't be bothered with facts like 2 + 2 = 4.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
33. This type of poll is intended for a certain mindset
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 10:37 AM
Aug 2014

The type that puts retro-blame on Obama for the 2008 financial collapse and even 2005 the Katrina debacle while giving Bush a pass. Actually, "mindset" is too kind of a term since it implies having a mind to begin with.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. It's deceptive, but it's not incorrect.....
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 07:49 PM
Aug 2014

Not sticking up for them, but according to "their" poll, 60% of them disapproved of Obama, but only 10% mildly. And they've left out the 40% who don't disapprove of Obama.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
28. Fox News is to journalism what Greg Gutfeld is to comedy.*
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 11:03 PM
Aug 2014


Palm trees in Wisconsin, w Bush beat Gore in Florida, graphs that can not
be correct because of the math, Karl Rove as an honest broker of the truth,
Huckabee & Frank Luntz's "random audieces," Bill O'Rielly was awoken by God
in order to write a book about Jesus's death, and ACORN stole people's votes.

* It is not a news network but a propaganda outfit for the right wing.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
32. Could they ratchet Congress up to 500% disapproval or higher?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 10:34 AM
Aug 2014

Just add House disapproval, Senate disapproval, Tea Party faction disapproval, GOP establishment disapproval, and what the heck just to maintain a level playing field throw in Democratic disapproval as well. Then repeat questions for "strongly" disapprove for each of these. President Obama's detractors would have their work cut out for themselves trying to match those numbers.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
39. No, you have to do the math
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 07:10 PM
Aug 2014

In some skewed poll, 60% disagreed (although I question that, but depending on see how the poll was worded...), 50% also checked off "strongly disagree", which might be not unreasonable (although I question that too - I think the actual number is about 30%), and it's unfair to double-count the population in tallying the result, but that didn't stop Fox, but positive matter (40%) consumes less weight than 60% of dark matter, and certainly more than 50% of dark-dark matter.

I think the real equation is:

Start with:

60% for
10% lightly against
30% strongly against

Then adjust for light/dark matter, and bubble-headed weight, and...

damn. High school math was so long ago. But I'm sure it works out somehow that 60% positive + 40% (comprised of 60% of light-negative - 50% of dark negative) adds up to 100%.

I'm too tired tonight but I'll bet 100% they're talking out of their assets.

Cha

(297,317 posts)
43. What?! they didn't report that 75% really really
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:08 AM
Aug 2014

hate President Obama because they believe the shit fox "news" spews 24/7?! I'd hate Obama too if I were stupid enough to get sucked into fox's brainwashing techniques.

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
45. IF THE FCC...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:07 AM
Aug 2014

was actually doing it's job, Faux Noise would already be off the air for good. They will rush to judgement when a phone caller calls somebody an asshole, and the fines are devastating ( ON RADIO, and I AM LIVING PROOF!) if, gwad forbid you say something that may be construed as 'patriotism'.... but yet Faux can shamelessly beat the President with lies and acrimonious hatred.


So, FCC: go fuck yourselves.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
46. cmon - the mistake is yours
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:46 AM
Aug 2014

as has been shown by several DUers. Time to retitle or retire this thread.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
49. Um, that's not what it says...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:20 AM
Aug 2014

...unless someone can point to the narrative that went along with the graphics that said differently.

What is said was: 60% disapprove of the President's performance, of which 50% strongly disapprove.

(FWIW - Democracy Corps is a Democratic-leaning polling outfit.)

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
53. Um, that's not what it says...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 10:12 AM
Aug 2014

It IS what it says.... the graphic says simply that 60% disapprove and 50% strongly disapprove.

There is no explanation of subsets of any kind.

YOU are adding the relevant elements that make that graphic make sense, and checking the initial data shows your assumptions were correct.

But the graphic itself does not contain ANY info that supports your assumptions.

It was done deliberately to make the info look even more damaging that it actually is.... but with a "plausible denial" factor built in in case someone notices the graphic makes no sense.

It's called propaganda and misinformation. Fox News does it too many time for it to just be a boo-boo.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
56. Making it sloppy, not stupid or biased...
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 10:18 AM
Aug 2014

Except...it was on purpose....

They do it too many times for it to be just a mistake.

So it's not "sloppy" but intended and it is biased because it's purpose is to make things look worse than they are.

It is indeed still stupid.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
51. LINK to the original democracy corp presentation:
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:32 AM
Aug 2014
http://www.democracycorps.com/files/dcor_bg_graphs_Web_Version_7212014.pdf

as you can see, it's actually based on a wvwvaf (women's voices, women's vote action fund) poll, showing 50% strongly disapproving and 10% disapproving not strongly for a total of 60% total disapproving.

note that this is only in "battleground" states

there are other potential methodology problems given that 81% white seems high and 9% under 30 seems low.

of course the faux presentation is makes it look worse by not showing the approval side, though the numbers look bad any way you present them.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
58. I know they are dumb, but that numbers makes sense if you consider the 50% as part of the 60%
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 04:09 PM
Aug 2014

Like...

40 % Approve - #% of which Strongly Approves
60 % Disapprove - 50% of which Strongly Disapproves.

Though yeah, I completely agree that they are complete and utter liars.

Sadly, I don't think they meant it that way. So, yep, their math is off.

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