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Angel in The Virgin of the Rocks (Paris Version) Louvre
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Angel in The Virgin of the Rocks (London version) National Gallery
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Louvre 1483-86
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National Gallery 1506-8
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Each of these paintings envisions the Virgin, appearing in nature rather than enthroned in the heavenly clouds, with the infant Child on her left and a slightly older John the Baptist on her right, and an attendant angel supporting the baby Jesus back.
I consider these two works to be the sweetest of all of the early Renaissance religiously worked themes. The placing of Mary in the natural world, seated on the ground, with natures magnificent rock formations in the background, tender flora in the foreground, a gentle expounding on hortus conclusis (enclosed garden) to remind the faithful of Marys virginity and immaculate conception, and a clear pool of water before her (foreshadowing Christs baptism by John), the beautiful pink of the babies skin and the soft attending angel is perhaps the loveliest scene in Christian art. It makes me wish that Leonardo had painted more, such was his superb hand.
So why did Leonardo paint two versions of it?
The back story goes something like this: Leonardo was commissioned by Brothers of the Confraternity of the Immaculate Conception to paint a religious scene for their chapel altarpiece in the church of San Francesco Grande in Milan.
... Leonardo's contract had a very short deadline which required the painting be delivered before December 8th, the feast of the Immaculate Conception, (this strongly suggests that the artists already had a cartoon prepared), but as was typical of him he failed to comply; this piece then became the source of two lengthy lawsuits which lasted for the many, many years. .
Things were finally settled on 27th April, 1506. It was determined that the work was, in fact, unfinished with the result that Leonardo was not paid for the first painting, it then being forfeited to the artist. He agreed to do a second work -- or to have another artist do one on his behalf -- and to deliver it on time. The deadline was be two years and for this he would receive half of the additional payment he had asked for the first painting, the sum of two hundred lire...
full piece here http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/rocks.html
That is basically the largely accepted historical analysis. There are some art historians who strongly argue that the London version is the first. It is an interesting dispute, but that is another essay entirely!
So by painting it again, he probably began to reconsider several key aspects of the scene. In the second version (now called the London version) Leonardo used more sfumato, intensifying the chiaroscuro effect, eliminated the angels point toward John the Baptist and turned that angels attention and gaze inward and more reflective.
Art historian Kenneth Clark, who was a director of Londons National Gallery in the 1930s, has said this about the angel in his Gallery:
Beautiful as it is, this angel lacks the enchantment of the lighter, more Gothic angel in the Paris version. It embodies the result of Leonardos later research in which ideal beauty and classic regularity of chiaroscuro were combined, with a certain loss in freshness, but with an expressive power which almost hypnotised his contemporaries.
So which angel is more beautiful? What do you think?
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)It helps that it looks to have been recently restored so the image is crisper. I also like the look in her eyes.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)have been done by Leonardo (the hair supposedly gives it away)...
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)It draws attention to the face in a way the first does not.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)She's absolutely beautiful.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)capture the essence beautifully. However, whenever I see one of these masterpieces in real life it becomes an occasion, a joy, just being there...I feel closer to the artist...
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)on the face that gives the impression that she is contemplating something fantastically wonderful beyond the canvas. There is peace in her face. The other version, I think, has her looking at the viewer of the painting in a bemused way. It lacks the intrigue of the other one.
PS. Thanks for another Friday evening art lesson. I so look forward to these threads.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and shortly after that I took a trip to Paris and looked for Virgin of the Rocks and I was confused. That angel looked so different! I thought I was losing it. Got back and read further...and duh...
Two versions! Who knew?
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)salib
(2,116 posts)My vote is with John:
http://witcombe.sbc.edu/davincicode/leonardo-supper-magdalen.html
Quite the beautiful angel.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)No doubt exists in art history that Leonardo didn't paint both of these (altho there is some justification to believe that some of the artwork in the London version was done by assistants, only not the angel).
lovuian
(19,362 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)
the archangel is Uriel
why does the angel have no halo?
because in 795 AD Uriel was eliminated from veneration by Pope Zachary
the same pope who evicted the Merovingians and placed Pepin ...Charlemagne's father
Da Vinci knew the only angels venerated by the Catholic Church is Michael Gabriel and Raphael
if you go to the Louvre the angel's name is Gabriel but the London painting has no name but for centuries the angel's name was known as Uriel due to a legend where John's family meet Jesus on the road to Egypt
so the first one is my favorite at the London Museum
Yes the second one the angel with no halo Uriel
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Chellee
(2,097 posts)I like the first one. I do think the angel's expression is better in the second, and I'm glad he took out the pointing finger, (don't point, it's rude). I also like the embroidery on the sleeve. But the overall painting, I like the first. I like how it's softer. I like the other three figures better in the first, and the rocks, leaves, and especially the water.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)but the second one holds some fascination for me...I think that is because it has more sfumato, which deepens meaning somehow for me...
Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)The second one may be technically better as far as the face goes and is certainly in better condition but I find the Louvre painting far superior and more satisfying, it draws you into its hazy world in a way the London version doesn't. The look on the eyes, at something outside the frame, is reminiscent of la Gioconda in the Louvre version and there is an overall mystique that is just, I don't know, rather lacking in the punchier but more clinical London version.
Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)Da Vinci was told to make it more defined who John and Jesus were thus the added halos and Cross and sign of the Cross and even today Uriel is not one of the angels venerated in the Catholic Church Pope Benedict refused to reinstate him but the Anglicans Coptic and other churches don't have a problem with him
the Pope showed he had the power in heaven and Earth but I think Da Vinci had the last laugh
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It's interesing. I was brought up Protestant and viewing religious art of the Renaissance was mystifying to me, but understood by my Catholic friends immediately. Saints were portrayed by the symbols of their death or other identifying objects or clothing (John the Baptist always in an animal skin, for instance). So Ihad to learn all of that to decipher the painting...
one_voice
(20,043 posts)though the second is very, very close. I like them both.