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joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:19 PM Aug 2014

Bill Maher Is Gross

Bill Maher reminded everyone Thursday evening that no matter how progressive he claims to be, when it comes to women, he’s an old school misogynist. Despite a long history of being called out by both liberals and conservatives for his tendency to use sexist slurs, Maher still thought it appropriate to tweet this:

Dealing w/ Hamas is like dealing w/ a crazy woman who's trying to kill u - u can only hold her wrists so long before you have to slap her

So much sexism packed into one tweet! As others have already pointed out, Maher is making light of the serious problem of domestic violence. But he’s also trading on the tired stereotype of women as irrational children who need to be brought in line by more stable men. (See: Clark Gable or Cary Grant putting a hysterical woman in her place with a calmly delivered slap that swiftly reminds her of the proper order of things.)

There’s also the matter of the “who’s trying to kill u” part of the tweet, a nice bit of ass-covering that turns domestic violence into self-defense. (Bill: If a woman is ever actually trying to kill you, slapping her probably isn't enough.) Maher may admire men of yore who slapped screaming women with aplomb, but he fails to have their courage of conviction. Also, his Israeli-Palestinian conflict commentary is dumb.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/07/18/bill_maher_s_sexist_tweet_the_so_called_progressive_makes_light_of_domestic.html?wpisrc=obnetwork

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Bill Maher Is Gross (Original Post) joeybee12 Aug 2014 OP
"Maher is making light of the serious problem of domestic violence" jberryhill Aug 2014 #1
Wow, I can see that now in what you said ... but at first glance it sure is open to all sorts of RKP5637 Aug 2014 #3
It is the danger of that sort of thing jberryhill Aug 2014 #6
You got it. Wait Wut Aug 2014 #4
To me, it seems pretty pro-Israel... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #7
Ummm.... jberryhill Aug 2014 #9
IHe's saying Hamas is so crazy that's what israel has to do... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #10
Yes that is what spouse abusers say jberryhill Aug 2014 #12
I see what you're saying, but his comparison is really about Hamas, joeybee12 Aug 2014 #13
O M G jberryhill Aug 2014 #14
He's beating her to keep from getting killed by her. arcane1 Aug 2014 #28
what drove her crazy? jberryhill Aug 2014 #30
Since Maher is vocally and aggressively pro-Israel... Chan790 Aug 2014 #34
then I think he inadvertently was ambiguous at best jberryhill Aug 2014 #35
"a crazy woman who's trying to kill u" is not someone trying to escape. It's someone trying to kill arcane1 Aug 2014 #22
what's making her crazy? jberryhill Aug 2014 #25
Craziness, I suppose. In the joke, it's not intended to be a rational person. arcane1 Aug 2014 #26
Wrong. Bill Maher is very pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #18
When you tell your friend to stop doing something stupid. .. jberryhill Aug 2014 #20
IJ Review is a right wing site, please find a better source. nt alp227 Aug 2014 #23
The source here is irrelevant, because Maher said those things. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #33
What a stupid, ignorant and disgusting tweet! RKP5637 Aug 2014 #2
i remember him admiring some things about Sean Connery and his treatment or words about women JI7 Aug 2014 #5
Yeah? Hey Bill, that crazy woman trying to kill you Warpy Aug 2014 #8
Bill is a COMEDIAN and consequently will say almost anything pbmus Aug 2014 #11
Bill Maher is an Ass Garthem Aug 2014 #15
Dont' worry. He'll go off on Christians for a couple weeks... maced666 Aug 2014 #16
There's a big difference between Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #19
It's almost as if H2O Man Aug 2014 #17
It's not hard to imagine Maher has faced that situation BainsBane Aug 2014 #21
Unfortunately Bill Maher is so often a perfect example of the reverse broken clock. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #24
What a two-fer. stranger81 Aug 2014 #27
I don't expect anybody to be perfect..., my friends, myself or even Bill Maher. BlueJazz Aug 2014 #29
Bill Maher specified that it was about a CRAZY woman. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #31
If anyone should be offended by the joke, it's Hamas. arcane1 Aug 2014 #32
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. "Maher is making light of the serious problem of domestic violence"
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:23 PM
Aug 2014

No, he's not.

He is attacking the justification for the intensity and disproportionality of the Gaza operation.

That line is not "making light" of anything, but is portraying Israeli justifications as the "she made me do it" mentality of spouse abusers.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
3. Wow, I can see that now in what you said ... but at first glance it sure is open to all sorts of
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:27 PM
Aug 2014

interpretation.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. It is the danger of that sort of thing
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:31 PM
Aug 2014

There are, for example, what strike some people as "racist jokes" wherein, in point of fact, the joke turns on the stupidity of racism.

The Israelis and Palestinians are locked into a relationship from which they cannot escape, there is a mountain of fear and resentment on both sides, but one of the two has a decided advantage in the use of force to resolve disputes.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Ummm....
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:42 PM
Aug 2014

Yeah, I guess if you considered a man slapping his wife for trying to escape physical confinement to be "justified", then I suppose one might see it that way.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. IHe's saying Hamas is so crazy that's what israel has to do...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:47 PM
Aug 2014

I see it 180 from you. And yes, Bill maher has a history of being a sexist asshat, so he probably thinks that would be justified.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
12. Yes that is what spouse abusers say
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:07 PM
Aug 2014

So you are saying that comparing Israel to a wife beater is "pro Israel"?

Either that or you actually buy into.the "she drove me to it" justification.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
13. I see what you're saying, but his comparison is really about Hamas,
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:11 PM
Aug 2014

he's calling them crazy and Israel needs to do what it's doing.

No, I don't buy into it...Maher does...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. O M G
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:14 PM
Aug 2014

So let me get this straight.

If some guy tells you his wife is crazy and he has to beat her to keep her from struggling, you think, "Hmmm, poor guy, she really must be crazy."

Just wow. Maher compares Israel to a wife beater, and that makes Israel the good guy in that comparison. Okay.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. He's beating her to keep from getting killed by her.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:27 PM
Aug 2014

He's not comparing Israel to a wife beater, he's comparing Hamas to a crazed murderer.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
34. Since Maher is vocally and aggressively pro-Israel...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:59 PM
Aug 2014

and has been his entire career, I suspect that Joey has the right of it. He's not equating Israel to a wife-beater...he's being serious.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
22. "a crazy woman who's trying to kill u" is not someone trying to escape. It's someone trying to kill
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:10 PM
Aug 2014

I disagree with the joke, but what he is saying is that he's being attacked, and is holding the wrists for self-defense.

And if it's about domestic violence, the woman is the perpetrator.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
26. Craziness, I suppose. In the joke, it's not intended to be a rational person.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:25 PM
Aug 2014

It's intended to be a crazy, unreasonable person trying to kill you. "Restraint" works some of the time, but not all of the time.

That's why it offends me. It makes Hamas (and Palestinians, by association) into irrational actors who only want to kill for no reason.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
33. The source here is irrelevant, because Maher said those things.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 10:56 PM
Aug 2014

But, here, unsullied by any organization, is Bill Maher basically saying it's the Palestinians' fault that their kids are being slaughtered:

JI7

(89,252 posts)
5. i remember him admiring some things about Sean Connery and his treatment or words about women
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:30 PM
Aug 2014

i can't remember what it was.

Warpy

(111,274 posts)
8. Yeah? Hey Bill, that crazy woman trying to kill you
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:34 PM
Aug 2014

will take advantage of that shift in your attention to jam her knee where you live.

Then she'll finish the job. Unfortunately, the Arabs aren't equipped to do so, having been under a blockade for the past 7 years, only partially relieved by tunnels supplying their black markets with forbidden foods and consumer items.

Maher has a lot of big blind spots. At least he hasn't mentioned his antivax horseshit in a long time, I think he must have gotten his ears pinned way back for that one.

But yes, adolescent male culture of the early 60s took over when he got his first pubic hair and he's never progressed emotionally beyond it.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
11. Bill is a COMEDIAN and consequently will say almost anything
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 06:50 PM
Aug 2014

to get a laugh ... from someone, unfortunately, not you ....

 

Garthem

(128 posts)
15. Bill Maher is an Ass
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:17 PM
Aug 2014

Thing is, he's a funny ass most of the time. Not on this one, but most of the time.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
16. Dont' worry. He'll go off on Christians for a couple weeks...
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:20 PM
Aug 2014

He'll be hoisted and paraded around as a star progressive once again. Meanwhile he keeps a misogynistic bullet in the chamber that could go off any minute.
With him, the good half is not worth shouldering the burden of his bad side.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
19. There's a big difference between
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:29 PM
Aug 2014

cutting down people for being the way they were born -- female, black, gay, Palestinian, mentally challenged, etc. -- and criticizing people for things they choose to believe -- supernatural/religious/magical thinking, Republican thinking, conservative thinking, racist thinking, etc.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
17. It's almost as if
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 07:21 PM
Aug 2014

he goes to the edge of very bad taste, like it's almost kind of sort of like his job.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
21. It's not hard to imagine Maher has faced that situation
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:10 PM
Aug 2014

a time or two. He can be an ass about lots of things, women is only one of them.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
24. Unfortunately Bill Maher is so often a perfect example of the reverse broken clock.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:12 PM
Aug 2014

That is, a functional clock is broken twice a day.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
29. I don't expect anybody to be perfect..., my friends, myself or even Bill Maher.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:27 PM
Aug 2014

We like our favorites in spite of their faults

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
31. Bill Maher specified that it was about a CRAZY woman.
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 09:48 PM
Aug 2014

The woman in question was not only CRAZY but was TRYING TO KILL HIM!!


Some people are so anxious to accuse others of "sexism" that their reading comprehension goes down to near zero.


Stop harming the Democratic Party with this nonsense!

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