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riqster
(13,986 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)That's a lot of numbers to put on a shirt, I think.
Seriously, preview is always a good idea when linking to images on DU. Lots of them don't display.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Trying to find another source.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)If that's supposed to binary, you've got some extra numbers in there.
riqster
(13,986 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)If she is a child under my care, sorry, I don't agree with total sexual freedom for a 14 year old.
riqster
(13,986 posts)15, yeah. But of course there was a whole other set of rules from their mother.
And those rules ruled.
rock
(13,218 posts)and I held my tongue (thinking that it would go away shortly) and I apologize if you're not the one to have published it those times. But this is one time too many. I'm not going to stand idly by while conservative bullshit is propagated on DU.
Specifically:
1) The father (and mother) ARE the ones to make the rules. Use a little common sense.
2) Any kind of decent social relationship requires some co-operation.
3) Your daughter makes the rules?? What if she's (say) eleven? Do you even read what you publish?
4) What if she's not an adult and decides to have sex three times a day? So you're OK with that.
And finally, just whose rules are these (meta) rules? Oh yeah, the father's! Great model.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I'm not sure why some folks on this thread are jumping to that conclusion. Common sense would suggest that he is not referring to anyone too young.
Jeez.
rock
(13,218 posts)it's important enough to mention in the rules!? Jeez indeed! If she's an adult why would the father have to publish a bunch of nonsense on his back? Is that where young men look for advice on dating one's daughter? Stop wasting my time with garbage comments or I'm gonna hafta get harsh with you.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Many people wear clothes that highlight their political/cultural leanings.
rock
(13,218 posts)Isn't it to avoid sexist bias and prejudice? I don't see how this relates since we ironically have a man attempting to make up the rules to cover his daughter!
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)All 4 of them make it clear that 'the rules' regarding her body are hers, and hers alone. That is the whole point of the message.
rock
(13,218 posts)The first rule he gives up is hypocritical. Ha-ha. Although I think Barney of Mayberry is funnier. ("Obey all the rules!" .
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And she posted the photo.
riqster
(13,986 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Let's make it twelve times a day since number does not matter.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)does the number make?
I just don't understand your point, if you have one.
rock
(13,218 posts)It's as you say indifferent, so I chose something specific instead of saying "decides to have sex an unspecified number of times a day." Why are you so overly concerned with matters rhetorical?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It still doesn't really. It seems to me, you would either be opposed to your son or daughter being sexual active or not.
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yodermon
(6,143 posts)*This* is the type of shirt you're actually pissed about:
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not sure if that changes your take on things at all.
libodem
(19,288 posts)I don't see dads' of 16 y/o's being so permissive. I hope he makes sure she is on the pill and is furnished with protection of condoms against std's.
I hope said daughter is emotionally mature enough to take on adult relationships in High School. Both young men and women have a difficult time after breaking up. It is like a mini divorce and some kids try suicide after the devastating loss.
Her body. Her mind. Her life. Education is key. Experience is over rated.
Someone should control a female's choices on sexual activity until 21?
Seriously?
I made sure my son and daughter had information on BC and the risks of STD even with barrier methods of BC. And that many forms of BC give only a degree of protection against pregnancy and none against STDs.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)We talk as a family all the time. We talk over breakfast and opine on the letters to "Dear Abbey". We talk over dinner and dissect television advertisements and book and film plot lines. We talk in the car on our way to the used bookstore in Nashville (a weekly pilgrimage). My daughter talks about her friends, their relationships, her friend's parents, her teachers, etc.
I'm as confident as I can possibly be that she is prepared to make decisions on her own.
I can't count the times when she's been telling some story when I've been incredibly proud of her. She amazes me.
I don't need to wear a shirt to remind her of how to think, or to advise the friends she chooses of how to behave.
(on edit : not to say I disagree with this man and his shirt or it's message, just that I don't personally think I "need this shirt".)
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)raised our two daughters and everything turned out fine. So yes, some dad's are that "permissive." Of course, it does help if your children are intelligent and you have given reasonably good advice to them.
But everyone raises their kids their way so do what you want with yours but do not condemn us or insist we do not exist because we raised ours our way.
dickthegrouch
(3,184 posts)"If she changes the rules halfway through in a way that you don't like, TOO BAD, they're still her rules".
Louisiana1976
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)with some sleazy guy who has a history of assault and drug convictions, because she "trusts him" that he is disease-free, this father would say "OK honey, your body, your rules"?
Nice parenting, Dad.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Response to riqster (Original post)
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davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I think a lot of parents become more overprotective of their daughters while letting their sons have more freedom.
For example, if you think 15 is too young for a girl to be dating someone....15 should be too young for your son to be dating as well.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)For what that is worth.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)His abandonment of her to her own devices as an inexperienced child might be of interest to child protective services.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Does he (the son) get to make the rules in that case?
I'm not sure I understand why one person in the relationship gets to make the rules. Shouldn't the rules be mutually agreed upon by both parties?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)1) there aren't any. I don't believe in the "guidance" and "rules setting" thing. My responsibilities as a parent are trumped by my desire to be seen as a hip and cool kind of dad.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 4, 2014, 12:55 AM - Edit history (1)
After learning more information about the people behind the shirt, the questions I raised are moot.
H. Cromwell
(151 posts)It says..
YES, I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER...
I ALSO HAVE A GUN, A SHOVEL AND AN ALIBI.
stranger81
(2,345 posts)Our daughter is only five, but I'm afraid my husband already has plans to show off his rifle collection to any of our daughter's potential suitors . . . .
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But not right now, when your daughter is only five..... agreed? That it would kind of send the wrong message?
So my question is, how old does your daughter have to get to before you would want your husband to wear this shirt?
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)actually strikes me as a bit on the creepy side.
This stuff belongs in private family conversations, not displayed in large typeface for the world to see.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Does that change your feelings about it at all?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)A girl buying her father a present that alludes to her sex life? Seems a little...... unusual.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)While it's great in principle, some teenagers aren't prepared or self-assured enough to make those decisions. In my case, I wish I would have had more involved parents. So while it is likely great for this father and daughter, I don't know that every father should adopt this attitude.
flvegan
(64,414 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and (2) if his daughter is an adult, he is walking around in a T-shirt emblazoned with the very obvious statement that another adult's sex life is no business of his.
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)if by chance it's visible in your replies or you saw it.
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bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)A parent is well justified in making rules for their underage teenagers' dating lives.
And even if she is adult, is some guy assaults my daughter, I'll break his neck in cold blood.
bhikkhu
(10,724 posts)My daughters are teenagers living at home. We talk about things a lot and I listen a lot, but there's rules, and they don't make them.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You're probably not old enough to have a daughter this shirt would apply to.
LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)That's a creepy shirt.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Not creepy at all, in our case. I think a statement of respect for their rights is a very good thing.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)would kind of seem to be stating the obvious.
riqster
(13,986 posts)If there were, progressive and liberal politicians would long ago have helped create a just, fair, equal society.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And then she posted the photo on her tumblr on Father's Day.
Make of that what you will.
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)We may live in a democracy in this country. But in my house I run a complete and divine autocracy.
My daughter is my princess. And I am capable of slaying any dragons that come looking for conquest. Yeah, I'm that kind of dad (King).
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Please explain.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I mean, at least fix your fucking collar if you want to be the faceless pic trying a new meme
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Coventina
(27,172 posts)Please explain what you mean by that term, because it seems to imply that having a vagina is less desirable than a penis.
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Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Coventina
(27,172 posts)Gotta move quicker than the software!!
redqueen
(115,103 posts)On Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:22 AM you sent an alert on the following post:
Jesus Christ, what a mangina
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5334466
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
"Mangina" is a misogynist, MRA insult.
Sickening to see this shit here. Its getting more and more common.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:36 AM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's been deleted so get over it
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm really hating these gender wars, and the small clique who think they are the final and absolute arbiters of what all is offensive to "women" (as if they can speak for me, I've given out no such permission) and of what "true feminism" means, and the whole "men oppressor, women victim" vibe that's going on here (the notion that I've seen played out here that if a man stands up for himself or his sex in general against a charge by the "true feminist" vanguard, he's an MRA or repeating MRA talking points or a rape apologist or some hyperbolic nonsense).
That rant being said, this is one hide I can get behind.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: He could have made his point without the crap.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Should be left as a reminder that ones very first post on DU should be well thought out as opposed to mindlessly blurting out the first stupid sexist thing that comes to mind.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)SO much better. Or less sucky. Or something.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Coventina
(27,172 posts)And, incredibly saddening....
Geez.....
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I thought if the poster was banned, and the message auto-removed, that the alert would just disappear, and any jury member called after that would just see the deleted post, and not be able to vote.
But yeah, saddening is right. Too right.