This opinion piece seems to be situated well within the arena of Rummyspeak and Cheneythink.

And as this is about the shadowy world of leaked intelligence opinion and limited physical evidence there is quite a lot of room for speculative maneuver.

Can you imagine Ukraine risking what would surely be high levels of retaliation for shooting down a plane with Putin on it? I find the suggestion of national-suicide well beyond the question of motivation.

I can't even muster imagination for Ukraine risking world opinion for shooting down a commercial jet flying in closed airspace.

the evidence? What I saw as supposed 'photos' reminded me of Colin Powell's trailors which he claimed were proof of Saddam's WMDs. As it turned out those of us who found those 'blurry', they're always 'blurry', images laughable, turned out to be right.

So, since the US is making the claims, it is incumbent on THEM to provide the evidence, no?

Robert Parry is one of our best investigative journalists btw.

Or a traitorous Ukrainian Surface-to-Air Missile operator fired on the the plane?

Which is it?

Who has been shooting down the Ukrainian ground attack fighters and transport aircraft, then?

Truth will out

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Rush to judgement that Kerry and Obama made seems to point to them being pushed to blame Russia.

Given the Business News which has Putin ready to march into Ukraine and hoopla from American Enterprise Institute and other interested Think Tanks outraged that we don't have enough sanctions on Russia and that we must get Nato involved in Ukraine to stop Putin...I'd say the rush to judgement was Wall Street and Neocons who want to make sure that Obama/Kerry don't stray off the script they've been given by those special interests.

Reminds me of the build up to Iraq Invasion and forces into Syria we just went through when the MSM Usual Sources start hyping Putin as an "Evil Power Hungry Wanna Be Dictator" who is dead set on rebuilding the former Soviet Union and must be stopped immediately. Same script all the time and hopefully people will wake up and see it for what it is.

neocon flair to it. Looking at the disastrous results of the rest of their so-called wars, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya, ANYONE who pushes for this latest 'war', deserves to be locked up with the war criminals if we ever return to the Rule of Law in this country.

SAMs don't have infinite range.

The plane was over rebel territory. It was out of SAM range from Ukrainian territory.

So either the rebels shot the plane down, or the Ukranians managed a large-scale invasion into rebel territory in order to set up a SAM launcher, shoot down a plane, and then retreat from rebel territory. All without the rebels saying a peep. Or any civilians saying a peep as the heavy equipment drives on by.

After the shot down, the rebels tried to block access to the site. If the Ukrainian government shot the plane down, why on Earth would they do that? The rebels would be giving guided tours to all comers in order to hurt the Ukrainian government.

Forget the bullshit about intelligence and satellite photos. Look at things that are beyond question: the location of the shoot-down, and the public actions of the two groups after the shoot-down.

Sid