over on the top of this cancerous lie.

Bibi belongs in a prison with a padded cell, awaiting trial on mass murder charges, death penalty in the waiting, not being defended as merely the architect of "collateral damage".

And America as Chief Arms Supplier belongs in an adjacent room.

Some of us knew this from day one - watch the narrative though - rockets and tunnels when land is being cleared for capture and genocide has taken place to remove the people.

I am sick of the duplicitous lies from Israel and her supporters,

as you are. Let's hope for one important event to take place, that is, the US gives
political cover to Israel for war crimes because that is what we do, but make sure that in return,
once and for all, the Palestinians receive a viable state..not a bantustan.

They can do that, they have the political power and leverage to do it.

In regards to the two most salient ones from the excerpt provided:

1. The kidnappers/killers of the Israeli civilians have admitted to being funding by Hamas (and have always been correctly identified as Hamas members themselves).

2. Rocket fire from Gaza into Israel continued throughout 2013 and 2014. Far from being "silent" - there were literally hundreds of rockets fired from Gaza into Israel.

I'll wait and see if he receives an attorney, and what transpired during interrogation.

Nonsense about the rockets.

List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014

This is a detailed list of Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks on Israel in 2014. All of the attacks originated in the Gaza Strip, unless stated otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2014

On edit: Claim* Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel

Jewish Daily Forward: “Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013.” International Crisis Group: “Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings – some of which were implemented spottily at best – so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/gaza-israel_b_5624401.html?1406545029&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

The rockets were from small groups or individuals that were strangely not happy about being kept in a prison. It's weird how that works.

Due to the fact that Israel is illegally occupying the Gaza Strip, Israel is the aggressor. Aggressors have no right to self defense against their victims. And nobody has a right to commit mass-murder against men, women, and children in their homes, hospitals, ambulances. Nobody has a right to obliterate a large percentage of a captive population's homes due to having the wrong religion.

Israel blamed Hamas for the murders, without any evidence. Israel then went on a collective punishment, mass-murder campaign against a highly abused population. Quit trying to make excuses for evil.

What is clear is that Bibi didn't know whether or not it was Hamas when he decided to go around arresting Hamas members. There was no evidence that it was Hamas at the time, certainly not the kind of evidence that would justify a military operation and mass arrests.

You've got to hand it to Israeli spinners like Mark Regev. They are masters of PR. In fact, as the Independent's Patrick Cockburn revealed over the weekend, "the playbook they are using is a professional, well-researched and confidential study on how to influence the media and public opinion in America and Europe".

Let's be clear: I'm no fan of Hamas, a brutal and anti-Semitic group which has been accused by Amnesty International and other NGOs of human rights abuses against the people of Gaza and of war crimes against the people of Israel. Firing rockets into civilian areas isn't justified under international law, even if it is framed as part of a (legitimate) struggle against foreign military occupation.

Having said that, however, in recent days I've been debating supporters of Israel's latest assault on Gaza on radio and on Twitter and I've been astonished not just by the sheer number of fact-free claims made by those supporters, but also by their confidence, slickness and sheer message discipline. According to the pro-Israel, pro-IDF crowd, Hamas is to blame for everything.

This, of course, is utter nonsense. To quote the late US senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."

So, in a Moynihanian spirit, here are fact-filled, evidence-based rebuttals to the 11 main myths, half-truths and self-serving 'talking points' that are repeatedly pushed by various Israeli spokespersons, both on the airwaves and on social media:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/gaza-israel_b_5624401.html?1406545029&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

He just takes each point and pulls a quote or two from sources disputing it.
One could do the exact same thing in reverse (find quotes to support each of the assertions). This is not one of Mehdi Hasan's stronger efforts.

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Specifically in reference to his attempted debunking of the fact that the kidnappers/killers of the Israeli teenagers was done by Hamas.

His quote is from Jon Donnison (who himself is relating what was told to him by Israeli police chief). In that quote, said police chief states that the men were Hamas affiliated. (Though believes they were acting without specific direction from above).

The same police chief has since said repeatedly that the action was carried out by Hamas members and is now asserting that those Hamas members were given funding by Hamas leadership to carry out the kidnapping/murder (and have confessed to this).

Aren't these statements at least as legitimate as whatever this same person may have told Jon Donnison a few weeks ago?

this alleged association is now confirmed recently and after interrogation..spare me the
belief the man confessed willingly. When I see he has legal representation and
many more details about the interrogation. I am not saying it is not possibly true, I am
in no position to do that.

He said that at the time, and he has said that repeatedly, even before the recent information about Hamas funding has come to light.

If we are going by what Rosenfeld said as the means to debunk the statement, he has clearly and explicitly said the opposite.

Here is the source of the above:

But when I spoke to Micky Rosenfeld, Donnison’s alleged source, on Sunday morning, he denied having used the words “lone cell” in conversation with Donnison. Indeed, Rosenfeld insisted that he told the BBC reporter in no uncertain terms that what is known is that “Hamas terrorists from the Hebron area were behind the kidnapping and murder of the children.” Rosenfeld added that security organizations are continuing their search for the perpetrators. In other words, nothing new has developed. If the militants who murdered the boys were a “lone cell,” no officials have confirmed this.

It appears the entire episode is the result of an unfortunate game of internet telephone. In her tweet, which was picked up by New York, Frenkel placed Donnison’s words “lone cell” in quotation marks, inadvertently making it seem like Donnison’s language was actually Rosenfeld’s. But it wasn’t, and the implications that have been drawn by New York, and now spread by Andrew Sullivan, are not justified. It’s entirely possible that there was some “lone cell” with no more than tenuous Hamas connections—but right now all we have is Frenkel’s ambiguous anonymous source and Donnison’s source who believes he was misquoted as our only evidence for that proposition.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/180617/did-israel-say-hamas-didnt-kidnap-its-teens-no

This is from a week or so ago.

arrested close to 600 people on a pretext and destroyed buildings and homes. ISIS had
initially claimed responsibility as well.

I think you're grasping at straws.