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malaise

(269,101 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 11:02 AM Aug 2014

Lay off the builders. They’re not all wolf-whistlers

I’ve witnessed greater sexism in office environments than when working on a building site, so let’s crumble this tired stereotype

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/06/lay-off-builders-wolf-whistlers-sexism
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As the daughter of a feminist, leftwing, university-educated builder, I have always found the cliche of the sexually aggressive construction worker both reductive and uncomfortable. It speaks of snobbery, of the worst kind of us and them-ism. If you are able to talk about “typical sexist builders” then I’m going to hazard a guess you’ve never gone on holiday with a builder; never had dinner with a labourer or spent a day working on-site alongside bricklayers or plumbers; and never sat on a set of scaffolding and discussed religious faith with a roofer. The stereotype, like a poorly mixed sand and cement render, quickly crumbles once you look at the facts.

I have witnessed far greater sexism in a creative, office environment than I’ve ever known when working on a building site. As my friend Martin, a systems engineer, says: “If IT guys worked by the side of the road in gangs with their laptops, no one would ever complain about builders.” When a creative director at an ad agency told me that women only bought football shirts for their husbands, nobody raised an eyebrow. When friends of mine have been cornered by bosses at Christmas parties, their complaints haven’t even proceeded to the internal hearing stage.

And, in fact, I don’t get harassed in the street by builders. I never get wolf-whistled, taunted, cat-called. Yesterday, I climbed on to the white scaffolding truck of two self-employed brothers to ask them if scaffolders do still wolf-whistle passing women. “Yes, of course,” one told me, “but we also compliment the men.” The latter doesn’t forgive the former, but it’s at least a more equal opportunities approach to lechery than I was expecting.

While street harassment and intimidation are absolutely unacceptable, labelling all builders sexist pigs is as unpleasant and inaccurate as labelling all PE teachers lesbians. It is reductive, dismissive, wilfully unrepresentative and speaks of your prejudices just as loudly as it does of their wolf-whistling.
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Lay off the builders. They’re not all wolf-whistlers (Original Post) malaise Aug 2014 OP
Stereotypes are labels to put down folks so prejudice will fit well enough to be comfortable lunasun Aug 2014 #1
+1,000 malaise Aug 2014 #8
Construction Workers are unwashed and uneducated 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #2
No, that's not what they're thinking. winter is coming Aug 2014 #3
I've witnessed lots of that same sort of double standard from white collar types over the years Populist_Prole Aug 2014 #6
It puts it into perspective libodem Aug 2014 #4
None of the street harrassment I've experienced has come from construction workers. Brickbat Aug 2014 #5
Can be Fired 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #7
Interesting, that is not his experience. Brickbat Aug 2014 #9
Liability 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #10
 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
2. Construction Workers are unwashed and uneducated
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 11:54 AM
Aug 2014

That at least is what they are thinking. If it were not true the would be working in an office.

I remember working on a site and one day a handful of people from the office building next door was walking by the site at lunch time.
They stopped and asked what we were building there, because they watched us all day long and saw that we were getting nothing done.
None had an answer when I asked them if they were so busy at work how can you watch me all day long.

BTW we were digging slurry walls to the depth of 125'. All work below the surface. At the time I was operating a Crane worth 1.2 Million dollars on a $760 million dollar job.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
3. No, that's not what they're thinking.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 12:00 PM
Aug 2014

Yes, there's harassment in office environments, too, but it's usually one-on-one. On-the-street catcalls (whether it's construction workers or guys hanging out) is done by groups. What "they" are thinking about is whether or not that group of men making unwelcome sexual remarks could progress to a physical assault.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
6. I've witnessed lots of that same sort of double standard from white collar types over the years
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 12:40 PM
Aug 2014

And like you, they never had an answer for the sort of question you asked either. Summed up, their answers were more along the lines of "who are you to ask?".

libodem

(19,288 posts)
4. It puts it into perspective
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 12:18 PM
Aug 2014

When you think of construction guys telling another guy he's looking good and he'd be fun to do.

If it makes a man feel like meat it would a woman as well. Get it?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
5. None of the street harrassment I've experienced has come from construction workers.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 12:25 PM
Aug 2014

It's come from a wide variety of classes, but never from someone who was on the job.

In addition, Mr. Brickbat, who worked in construction for almost 20 years, says he's never witnessed street harassment on the jobsite.

n=2 is hardly valid. Just sharing my experience.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
7. Can be Fired
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 02:40 PM
Aug 2014

I have worked on Jobs for the last 20 yrs Public and Private type. Each and everyone of them has told all the workers that they would be fired immediately for any form of harassment of people on the site or harassing people walking by. This was doubly reiterated when working on College Campuses.
These were all Union Jobs as well. Even the local could not save you for violating this policy.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
10. Liability
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 02:52 PM
Aug 2014

As in all things. Employers are responsible for their employee's actions. This was to mitigate Law Suits against the company.

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