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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 01:18 PM Aug 2014

Gaza Crisis: 'The Real Danger to Israel Comes from Within'/Der Spiegel

Hamas is but one face of the Palestinian revolution against colonialism. It will not die even if Hamas is wiped out.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-with-sociologist-eva-illouz-about-gaza-and-israeli-society-a-984536.html

Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, but left behind death and destruction. Israeli sociologist Eva Illouz tells SPIEGEL that her country is gripped by fear and is becoming increasingly suspicious of democracy.

Illouz: Israel is a colonial military power, a militarized society and a democracy all folded into one. The army, for example, controls the Palestinians through a wide network of colonial tools, such as checkpoints, military courts (governed by a legal system different from the Israeli system), the arbitrary granting of work permits, house demolitions and economic sanctions. It is a militarized civil society because almost every family has a father, son or brother in the army and because the military plays an enormous role in the ordinary mentality of ordinary Israelis and is crucial in both political decisions and in the public sphere. In fact, I would say that "security" is the paramount concept guiding Israeli society and politics. But it is also a democracy, which grants rights to gays and makes it possible for a citizen to sue the state.

Illouz: Israelis and Palestinians used to be mixed. They worked as construction workers and as cheap, underpaid labor. Then the wall was built. Then the road blocks came, which hampered the Palestinians' freedom of movement. The massive reduction in work permits followed. And in a few years Palestinians disappeared from Israeli society. The Second Intifada put the nail in that coffin, so to speak. The nature of Israeli leadership has also changed. The messianic right has progressively gained power in Israel. It used to be marginal and illegitimate; it is now increasingly mainstream. This radical right sits in Parliament, controls budgets and has changed the nature of discourse. Many Israelis do not understand the radical nature of the right in Israel. It successfully disguises itself as "patriotic" or "Jewish."

Illouz: Entire generations have been raised with the territories, with Israel being a colonial power. They do not know anything else. You have the settlements which are highly ideological. They expanded and entered Israeli mainstream political life. Settlements were strengthened by systematic government policies: They got tax breaks; they had soldiers to protect them; they built roads and infrastructure which are much better than those inside the country. There are entire segments of the population that have never met a secular person and have been educated religiously. Some of these religious segments are also very nationalist. The reality we are faced with in Israel is that we must choose between liberalism and Jewishness, and if we choose Jewishness, we are condemned to become a religious Sparta which will not be sustainable. Whereas in the 1960s, you could be both socialist and Zionist, today it is not possible because of the policies and identity of Israel. Then you have the role which Jews who live outside Israel play in Israel. Many of these Jews have very right-wing views and contribute money to newspapers, think tanks and religious institutions inside Israel. Let's face it: the right has been more systematic and more mobilized, both inside and outside Israel.

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Gaza Crisis: 'The Real Danger to Israel Comes from Within'/Der Spiegel (Original Post) Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 OP
As the smoke clears and the eyes of the world opens to the devastation of these PEOPLE , as 300 Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1
"her country is gripped by fear" joeybee12 Aug 2014 #2
So does this alsame Aug 2014 #5
Gotta wonder if our "patriots" are learning from theirs joeybee12 Aug 2014 #7
They feed off each other, that's alsame Aug 2014 #8
Our police certainly are starroute Aug 2014 #9
I recall reading about this after 9-11 joeybee12 Aug 2014 #10
K & R malaise Aug 2014 #3
This is a person that the Palestinian BDS movement would boycott oberliner Aug 2014 #4
Nice attempted deflection. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #6

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. As the smoke clears and the eyes of the world opens to the devastation of these PEOPLE , as 300
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 01:24 PM
Aug 2014

little caskets are lowered into the lunar landscape left behind, as a quarter million people without homes, water power..how long will the wool be pulled, how long until the massive Western propaganda falls in the face of the truth on the ground of Gaza?

No doubt CNN will continue to carry the water for the merchants of death and the purveyors of lies.

Just open your eyes and look at the carnage, look into the eyes of the dead children and still say you are not purposely blinded by your pay per view hatred.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
5. So does this
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 01:55 PM
Aug 2014
Many Israelis do not understand the radical nature of the right in Israel. It successfully disguises itself as "patriotic" or "Jewish".

Just substitute the US and the Christian right.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
8. They feed off each other, that's
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 02:25 PM
Aug 2014

for sure. If you listen to the propaganda rhetoric of the 'patriotic' Israeli and American spokespeople, it's the same. Frank Luntz wrote the propaganda manual for Israel, the Israel Project's "2009 Global Language Dictionary", so it's not surprising.

http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/no-it-isnt-the-pentagon-papers-but-heres-a-small-sign-that-the-msm-is-finally-going-to-take-on-the-b.html

starroute

(12,977 posts)
9. Our police certainly are
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:35 PM
Aug 2014

The recent militarization of American police forces isn't just about access to spare military equipment. The Israelis have made themselves the world's experts in the War on Terror, and many US police forces receive training from Israelis -- with all the brutality and hostility towards the local people that goes along with it.

Some of the stories on this are from sites that could be dismissed as anti-Israeli, but here's an item from the Jewish Virtual Library citing Israeli sources, followed by the opening of a 2011 article by Max Blumenthal.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/homeland.html

With the United States on constant terror alert since the events of September 11, 2001, American police and law enforcement officials are taking advantage of Israel's expertise in various facets of counter-terrorism and first response to better protect the American people.

In 2002, Los Angeles Police Department detective Ralph Morten visited Israel to recieve training and advice on preparing security arrangements for large public gatherings. ... In January 2003, thirty-three senior U.S. law enforcement officials - from Washington, Chicago, Kansas City, Boston and Philadelphia - traveled to Israel to attend a meeting on "Law Enforcement in the Era of Global Terror." ... “I think it's invaluable,” said Washington, DC Police Chief Charles Ramsey about the instruction he received in Israel. “They have so much more experience in dealing with this than we do in the United States.” ...

In November 2011, a delegation of senior American law enforcement officials, including police commanders, security experts and FBI agents, went to Israel for a joint training seminar with Israeli counter-terrorism officials sponsored by the Anti-Defamation League. ... In early September 2012, the New York Police Department (NYPD) opened an Israeli branch at the Sharon District Police Headquarters in the Israeli coastal city of Kfar Saba. ...

In September 2013, a special team of bomb squad members from cities along the U.S.-Mexico border travelled to Israel in an effort to improve techniques and tactics for dealing with illegal immigration and IED attacks. Sgt. Chris Rogers represented the Pima (Arizona) Regional Bomb Squad - "We engaged the Department of Defense and the technical support group to sponsor the trip. So we could get first hand training and experience from the Israelis who have been dealing with cross border IED (Improvised Explosive Devices) for some time now."


http://exiledonline.com/max-blumenthal-how-israeli-occupation-forces-bahraini-monarchy-guards-trained-u-s-police-for-coordinated-crackdown-on-occupy-protests/

In October, the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department turned parts of the campus of the University of California in Berkeley into an urban battlefield. The occasion was Urban Shield 2011, an annual SWAT team exposition organized to promote “mutual response,” collaboration and competition between heavily militarized police strike forces representing law enforcement departments across the United States and foreign nations.

At the time, the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department was preparing for an imminent confrontation with the nascent “Occupy” movement that had set up camp in downtown Oakland, and would demonstrate the brunt of its repressive capacity against the demonstrators a month later when it attacked the encampment with teargas and rubber bullet rounds, leaving an Iraq war veteran in critical condition and dozens injured. According to Police Magazine, a law enforcement trade publication, “Law enforcement agencies responding to…Occupy protesters in northern California credit Urban Shield for their effective teamwork.”

Training alongside the American police departments at Urban Shield was the Yamam, an Israeli Border Police unit that claims to specialize in “counter-terror” operations but is better known for its extra-judicial assassinations of Palestinian militant leaders and long record of repression and abuses in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. Urban Shield also featured a unit from the military of Bahrain, which had just crushed a largely non-violent democratic uprising by opening fire on protest camps and arresting wounded demonstrators when they attempted to enter hospitals. While the involvement of Bahraini soldiers in the drills was a novel phenomenon, the presence of quasi-military Israeli police – whose participation in Urban Shield was not reported anywhere in US media – reflected a disturbing but all-too-common feature of the post-9/11 American security landscape.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. I recall reading about this after 9-11
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

We were also looking to the British and seems like we're going down the 24x7 surveillance road that Britain has, and that's not good.

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