You can't dictate people's personal lives. It is no different that telling a women she can't get coverage for birth control, because her employer doesn't like it. It is far worse than that since it literally tells them they can't do something.

I might add this test for nicotine will also get ecigs, patch and gum users, not to mention the fact that 30 percent of government workers will be fired, since that is how many of them already smoke.

Sorry. People should keep their cigarettes and other filth out of the breathing spaces of others who do NOT want to breathe the filth.

Some people don't like perfume, you still have no right to tell people they can't wear it. There is no health hazard from people who don't even smoke around you. You are just being dictatorial.

So I DO.

because those actually are killing the planet with filth you breath. Smelling like smoking isn't smoke.

YES IT IS.

"Well than outlaw cars."

At least drivers aren't shoving exhaust pipes down my mouth.

mouth either. Your just a little antismoker bully.

you just don't like some people, so you want to have them fired.

Nice dishonest framing. It's not a mere opinion of others. It's over others' ACTIONS namely their blowing of filth in everyone else's space.

you admit you just don't like their smell, which is a subjective thing. I can chose not to like anyone smell.

FACT: Smoking harms lungs. Framing it in terms of "not liking the smell" changes it not one little bit.

and it harms your lungs?

That is all there is to it!

You have zero rights concerning the odors of others as long as it is not harmful to you. What you do have is the right to leave and find a place that suits you. Odors are kinda like opinions, they are subjective. I know people who think a skunks odor smells good...I think it shells like smit. Some perfumes are offensive to me, others are not. Some people like the odor of burnt diesel fuel, others detest it.

If I find myself near someone who stinks, I move. I don't act like an asshole and ask them to leave. Some folks have body odor problems because of body chemistry. They have just as much right to be there as I do.

The smoke itself and the odor it leaves behind are two different entities. One may be harmful to you but the other is not.

Maybe your particular odor is offensive to him. Does he have the right to ask you to leave? Every time you exhale, you fill the room with your germs.

There's no equivalence between telling someone off for being a smoker and telling someone off merely for "not liking odor" whatever the reason is. I'm tired of all these semantic games & framing!!!!

Don't like the games, don't play. You are not the "odor police"...you have no authority.

the smell of new tires.
most perfume makes me choke though.

And it is usually the smoker wearing too much perfume/cologne to try to cover the filthy smoke on their clothes/person.

Regardless. You sound like a jerk and your snippy contempt is as toxic as second-hand smoke.

The noxious filth that is your attitude is not something I want to be subjected to.

My work has a surcharge on smokers for insurance coverage-

Last year the tried to add verbiage that if your BMI was at a certain level you had to see a doctor, get into a wellness program and if you didn't do that there would be a surcharge.

After a huge outcry that idea was dropped---


I guess the large person brigade has more fighting power than the smoker brigade

There are two highly unpopular ideas that could drastically lower costs.

1) BMI based surcharges
2) Allowing planned (i.e. non-emergency) surgical procedures to be performed by offshore providers.

If I had to guess, both will be reality in 20 years.

Especially cosmetic surgery.

need to understand the in a large part our health is our responsibility and many of our illnesses are a result of life style choices.
It is not easy to eat right and to get proper exercise. Our food supply is increasingly full of chemicals and lacking nutrition. Our days are busy just trying to get by economically.
We need to educate ourselves and demand that our society take our health seriously. Stop shoving high fructose corn syrup in our faces and offering us minimum wage jobs.

1. Smoking is not a right.

2. Banning smoking is asinine.

..you just can't work for that particular County in Arizona.

you just can't expect your employer to cover it.

It is an employer dictating what people do in their private life on their breaks.

What does this have to do with anything? Also why did you guys vote for Obama if you think smokers should be ostracized from society? He smoked in 2008. Still uses ecigs. Or do you believe just working class people should be dictated to, but uppety ups like him should get breaks?

If we keep this nonsense up we'll have employers dictating diets for their over weight employees and other intrusions into our personal lives.

I love smoking pot, but if I get into an accident that isn't my fault, we all get tested. I get fired even though it wasn't my fault. I smoked a joint on Friday night, and Monday, I'm out the door. All to please assholes who pay $8.00 an hour. My brother is an alcoholic, and since he didn't want to get fired for using weed, he chose to drink instead. That was over 30 years ago.

No smokers in the workplace constantly going out for smoke breaks, throwing their butts on the ground, leaving the nonsmokers to do the work, then coming back and leaving a stinky trail behind them as they walk through the office in their foul-smelling smoke-ridden clothes?

Sounds like a no-brainer.

I notice most of the antismokers come from the 3rd way conservadem wing too.

to practice their birth control habit, discard their used birth-control devices onto the sidewalk, and come back spreading a foul smell throughout the workspace.

I would hire a woman who uses birth control over a smoker any day.

let's stop hiring men. The smell is something you chose to get hyper about as an excuse to discriminate.

and take multiple breaks throughout the day for that purpose.

On this you and I agree.

Also with men you allow for individuality, and only fire them if you catch them personally discarding condoms on the street, with smokers you don't. You are punishing all smokers for some who leave it on the sidewalk, just for having nicotine in their blood, which they can get from ecigs and quit smoking aids.

being a good reason to restrict smokers in the workplace, or are you just throwing around random red herrings?

my right to breathe clean air > 100 smokers' rights to light up in public

it is just something you chose to pick at. You have no evidence to show that someones smell does anything to you.

even if it didn't, I still have the right not to breathe others' filth.

and there is no proof that the residual smell of smoke causes cancer in anyone.

Since not hiring smokers is a simple way to improve the air quality for the majority of people who are non-smokers, instituting such a policy is a no-brainer.

Remember people used to be allowed to smoke on planes? And now we look back in bewilderment that such a thing was ever permitted? Years from now we will look back at smokers in the workplace with the same bewilderment.

Otherwise your analogy is BULLSHIT.

to smoke, and maybe I'll feel bad for you.

to breathe their filth. Smokers shouldn't have to make others suffer with them.

and is completely subjective. I see no reason to fire someone for doing something you don't like or smelling in a manner you don't like.

as if I were the only person in the world who wants smoke free common environment in the workplace!

Whether directly from cigarette or the smell of it.

and I am pretty skeptical the majority share it or want to establish such a bad precedent, particularly those of us who believe in choice, and personal freedom.

What a shock, more bullies trying to run people's lives. America, Land of the FREE! Lol!

And it's only a matter of time til they institute upper weight limits as well...

I'm not being flip -- there are a lot of ramifications here.

Now, we're gonna have another prohibition based on cultural hatred.

Prohibition: America's most addictive social policy.