Almost. Sadly.

He's an asshole. His actions and words have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with being an asshole. I doubt he could quote 2 lines from the bible if asked.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

rather than just taking a few lines out of context and ignoring the rest. I still predict that this asshole couldn't recite 2 stanzas correctly, without error, in the entire bible if asked.

I can say I am the King of Atlantis, doesn't mean that I am such a person.

The problem in this instance is exacerbated by the fact that there isn't just a single counterexample to dismiss as "no true Christian," but that the vast majority of overt homophobia in this country is expressed by Christians and defined by them as part of their religious belief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

It probably isn't worth your time trying to distinguish between whatever you believe and what this jerk believed - and that's setting aside the no true scotsman fallacy mentioned above.

You know this asshole doesn't believe that DU Christians are Christians either.

Bryant

Unless they butt in on my personal space. There are far too many better ways of wasting my time.

Also, WTF is a DU Christian? That is a pathetic concept IMHO.

We have had some come in here with anti-gay nonsense before. I don't count the pro gay rights Christians on DU as "DU Christians" but as liberal Christians. I guess it means about the same thing. I have never heard of "DU Christians" before though.

My point was pretty straightforward though - the asshole in the main story would not accept pro-gay rights Christians as real Christians, which would include most Christians who post at DU.

Bryant

I would not want to be associated with the enormous numbers of superstitious RW haters who call themselves Christians, and give liberal Christians a bad reputation by association that they will never lose.

When someone I don't know tells me they are a Christian, I immediately become distrustful of them.

abandon the term to RW Christians.

Bryant

That's a very good point. If you want to condemn me based on what I say or what I post - that's fine - that's fair game, but I don't expect to be judged because many Christians are assholes. And if I am going to suggest that Christians don't have to be assholes, than abandoning the label seems like a poor way to accomplish that.

Bryant

rattler before I take my next step.

Bullsnakes and rattlers look real similar, but one of them can kill you, or at the very least, put you in a world of hurt if you're not careful, or foolish, and get yourself bit.

Does that analogy strike you as dehumanizing?

Bryant

in a similar manner.

I'm surprised you didn't know that from reading scripture. Paul did a fair amount of that as well.

I think it was in your initial post where you said that if you were a Christian you would hide it. So I wouldn't think you would be looking to the Bible for a guide in these matters; but fair enough. I guess I should have considered more carefully.

Bryant

I read many of the books, and Judeo-Christian western culture (and the other book religion based cultures) and their customs and traditions and all the dogma and the whole church/temple/mosque thing is just not who I am. For me, most of those things are obstructive mediators that just obscures my connection to all creation.

I once asked one of my metaphysics teachers if she was a Christian...she answered, "I'm trying to be". I thought that was interesting; she had done a whole lot of thinking about abstract concepts and spiritual disciplines.

Anyway, I discovered that for me, what I was trying to find out really couldn't be taught with words; I had to go out and live to understand what I was even looking for. When the *lights* came on for me is when I found that I clearly don't know anything, and figured the simplest and least harmful way to approach life was to just try to do everything from a place of love, because it just feels like the best way to be for me. I reckon that's kind of what Christ said before all the priests and scribes and politicians and other charlatans decided they had to add their "corrections" to the simple idea, and then went out and based material religions on them.

But I still find it prudent to use my senses to perceive the difference between a bullsnake and a rattler.

Warm, sunny day, nature calls, time to play!

Snake analogies show up a lot. "Wise as serpents" in particular, though you'd think an all-knowing god would know that reptiles aren't at all smart...

Personally I would find being constantly compared to sheep more offensive, snakes are stupid but sheep are stupid and loud.

That's hilarious. They are a protected class here.

But gotta love the typical persecution complex response

Christians in America are a protected class and have too much power - but within the limited confines of DU reflexive anti-Christian bias pops up consistently. Hey you never did answer my question down below - were you going to do that?

Bryant

Hey yourself. You're a big boy. Figure it out. I know you can do it

wiped out.

Bryant

I don't know - and you literally have no effect on my life. This is a discussion board - if you say something stupid or unclear or nasty than I respond by asking a clarifying question or by disagreeing.

I think you might be taking this too seriously.

Bryant

Truth is often perceived as such by the delusional and deniers of reality

Such an ignorant and dumb way to live

But perhaps reality is a bit more complicated than piously saying "I'm right and everybody who disagrees with me is ignorant and dumb."

Bryant

The cluelessness of that statement is delicious

It usually takes me a paragraph or two to say pretty much the same thing.

I'm stealing this.

You printed it! Just don't speak the name that must not be said.


Okay. I'll stop. I was raised better.

What makes you any different than the guy in the video? By your statement you are obviously (at least to me anyway) showing a hatred toward not only those of the Christian faith but also toward God.

By posting in a thread concerning intolerance, and then making a HUGELY intolerant statement like that, you just fell into the same group as those who bash progressives, gays, those who are not white, etc......

You can take what I just said with a grain of salt or you can actually think about the implications of what you posted here and start taking it to heart.

Arugula Latte made a general statement (truth in my opinion) about the bible and God. Nothing in his statement was violent or threatening to any individual.

The man in the video, by contrast, directly threatened the video maker. This entails a number of potential crimes, including assault. I don't know if Michigan has a hate crimes law, but loudly shouting "Fucking Faggot" at someone seems to apply.

Your being quite obtuse if you can't see the difference between the two.

the difference between the post that I replied to and a nut job railing against someone because they are gay......... who is actually being obtuse? The point of my post was that two individuals were throwing out a personal opinion in a very hateful way. Seems pretty obvious to me although your mileage may vary I suppose.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137 ).

This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself.

Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.

The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. The most disturbing aspect of Yahweh’s humanoid personality, however, is his blood-lust. The smell of burning flesh is a ‘sweet savour unto the lord’ – so sweet, in fact, that the phrase appears in the Old Testament no fewer than twenty-three times. The butchery demanded by god is truly monumental. Believers are required to sacrifice two lambs day-by-day continuously – and that’s just for starters! Just as well Yahweh had several thousand priests to help him trough through the banquet!

Livestock bears the brunt of god’s appetite but humans could so easily get the chop from the big guy. God kills Uzzah for simply steadying the tumbling Ark (1Chronicles 13.9,10). Poor Onan was zapped for using the withdrawal method of birth control (Genesis 38.10). But such isolated vindictiveness palls in comparison with the mass killings of the Lord. When the autocratic Moses faces a rebellion led by Korah, God uses an earthquake and fire to consume two hundred and fifty rebels. When indignant sympathizers protest at the injustice, God wipes out another fourteen thousand seven hundred with a plague (Numbers 16). What a guy!

Oh, and let's not forget how he ordered Abraham to kill his own son. What a sicko! That God of the Bible. He gets off on death and destruction. Who would worship such an asshole?

somehow hurt by what others around you called religion. I do mean that sincerely.

to me the big issue is that we as a society in the modern age continue to be at the mercy of this silly of fiction book from a primitive people. It is still having an impact on our social policies, laws, and legislation. It's absolutely ludicrous. It's exactly the same as if we had to run things according to stories about Zeus, Thor, or Isis. That is partially why so many of us on DU are hostile to religion. Make believe trumps reason, with devastating consequences for U.S. society (not to mention other societies around the globe -- see the Iraq/Isis mess for just one example).

Just by pointing out the truth that primitive Bronze Age mythology is a ludicrous thing to base a belief system on is not "hatred." Also, God is a figment of human imagination so I'm sure the omnipotent, invisible, angry-enough-to-slaughter-millions-yet-oh-so-loving supernatural being in the sky will be just fine (oh, of course it's a man, probably a white guy with a long white beard, amIright?).

I mean, "Serve one another in love"? How sicko and twisted is that, not to mention evil and psychopathic!

Sarcasm.

propaganda and indoctrination are very powerful tools ... and there are big $$$$$'s to be made in religion, we see a lot of that ... so, it cranks on and on.

Regardless of your definition.

Sorry but the No True Scotsman fallacy always irks me when it comes to religion and who belongs and who doesn't.

And as we have no absolute idea (beyond mere allegation) whether that belief is in fact, present or not in the individual, we are forced to infer from action and reaction.

The hater was acting and talking violently, full of hate.

The innocent victim said...I will pray for you.

Which one acted more Christ-like?

Yeah..

I'm sure the hater will go back to his Randian/bagger/republican church and thank God on his knees that he ain't like those dirty *** sinners.

And he will get his reward someday as well.

You just drew the ire of mindless religion haters. But, they are just a different side of the coin from this Sadet fellow. They need to have a justification for their hate and religion or "non-"religion is a good excuse.

Most Christian homophobes hand pick Leviticus to hurl at us, while ignoring the rest of that book. What was funny was before I came out, my boss took my aunt to a Red Lobster and ended up making rude anti-gay comments about a waiter there, all the while talking about God. Assholes like that are a dime a dozen. I like the liberal Christians who do not hate, but where I live, they are very very rare. Those Christian right wing hater types? They are a dime a dozen here in the Bible Belt.

Those who harp on Leviticus seem to forget that in order to be a Christian you are living under a new covenant.... meaning that if they want to live by the laws of the old covenant (old testament) then they should start calling themselves orthodox Jews.

Those who pick and choose from the bible really get on my nerves. They like to pick parts that won't impact them, pick parts which to use as a hammer on someone else, and completely skip over things that would pull them out of their own comfort zones.

Christianity was NEVER meant to be used as a weapon. NOT EVER! However some feel that they have a "moral high ground" with which to feel superior. As a christian I am seriously offended by those who act that way.

To say there are no bad ones is to stick one's fingers in one's ears and say "la-la-la, I can't hear you" but the same is true saying there are no good ones. Dr. King, Bishop Tutu come immediately to mind.

On a recent trip to Boston I had a very enjoyable lunch with a literary colleague I'd never met before who is a-- gasp! Baptist minister. A phrase that normally sends chills down my Southern gay spine, but up north they are just not the same thing at all.

Fred Phelps Was Right: the Bible teaches hate. That's not all it teaches, but it does teach that. Repeatedly.

Today's Christian hates "love your neighbor as you love yourself" and revels in "kill your neighbor if he's different than you."

Trying to talk myself out of commenting on it.

I just checked out the comments.

Interesting that he appears to have some sexual issues with young girls.

Creepstench.

just look him up. Victor Sadet.

I'll try to link it. I'm a computer illiterate...so don't hold your breath lol.

His interests include Hustler, Lap Dances, and Getting Naked.

I like it.

What scum.

Me thinks Mr. Sadet doth protest too much and his lashing out is cover his own
homosexual feelings and or he goes to "bible based" Christian church where he
is taught to hate "the gays."

j.b.12

btw if Mr. Sadet doesn't own the company whose shirt he was wearing the odds are
very likey he is going to be fired by the end of the day.

but that's probably his security guard uniform...he's an idiot, to put it as nicely as possible.

...who says He doesn't know that asshole.

completely elude me. What kind of fucked up and twisted psychological kinks and synaptic misfires lead to ending up like this creature? I don't know but it's a condition that is reaching epidemic proportions.

His hyper masculinity, I think he was open carrying, is likely a cover up for his fear of being inadequate.

I consider latent homosexuality, when I think about these bruts. They haven't got a clue about a hidden part of themselves that has long ago been forced into their unconscious. When they see out and proud it strikes a chord somewhere. They want to kill that part of themselves. Why wouldn't they want to kill someone who reminds them it exists.

Otherwise what hooks them to act all crazy like that. It's effing none of his business.

women hating on gay men, though. I think that can be explained from growing up in the Bible culture and exercising its man-pleasing behavior, which often involves mimicry.

Seems so antithetical to what women are about. They are our sisters to me. But then again I'm drawn to gay men.

I think hate must be brainwashed into them by powerful authority figures.

It helps to have had one of the dearest, coolest, most fearless, gay guy friends, evah! The summer I graduated high school we met her. So fun. So One Of The GIRLS.

That infuriates me, too. If someone attacks physically or verbally often it equates to beating up a woman. It is a hate crime.

And tough guy in the video is committing assault when he is issuing threats of violence.

Saying "He's no Christian" just doesn't excuse this bullshit. It's all right there in their Magic Book. As the moron points out.

I don't think anybody is standing up for this asshole - so who's bullshit needs to be condemned?

Bryant

At least IMHO,

and probably half of the republican party or about what, 50 million Americans, give or take?

Jesus folks, we are at war...wake up

This is why I do not participate in organized religion.

Do I have beliefs? Yes.

Will not attend religious services/join any group.

It's a popular thing to do, unfortunately

A damned depressing image it is, too. All that rage and hate.

turned it all around made me laugh.

YM: "I'm gonna pray for you sir."

Angry "Christian": "NO!! I'M gonna pray for YOU!"

Certainly having a questionable Christian threatening to pray of one is better than having that questionable Christian implying a death threat. Very credible job of disarmament, indeed.

Hell on earth.

And that hell is where all of them live, all the time, and they want to infect the rest of us with the seething hatred that controls their awful existence.

I need a shower.

What's that on his hip? Does Michigan have an open carry law?

If so than Mr. Tweedie and his friends were brave to have confronted this piece of work. If Michigan has a 'stand your ground" law, Mr. Tweedie took a big chance.

Oh, and the last name "Sadet" - that's just one letter off from Sadat, who was, as we know, a follower of - ahem - Islam. Highly suspicious.

They are the most vile disease of this country

is all that is being taught in many so-called "christian" churches now a days. They cherry pick the Bible to reinforce their hate.

Same thing was done during slavery times in America. The infamous home grown terrorist group KKK has always claimed to be a christian organization even as they were blowing up a christian church Sunday school and murdering 3 little innocent black girls.

Jesus said I am the light of the world. You see any light in that haters face?

I see the great black maw of Hell opening wide and swallowing him up whole.

"I'm gonna pray for you. Have a good day, sir!"

So sorry this young man had to go through such an appalling experience.

Hey, at least he ditched the mullet.

definitively anti-Christian acts?

justify their hostilities, aggression and threats. This guy manifests a lot of disturbing emotional problems and I'm willing to bet it extends far beyond this outburst into many facets of his miserable and creepy life.

type of individual, and for them, religion says, hey, that's just fine. Look at the F'en religious wars over eons, who was right. In essence, religion is just another from of politics and mind control ... looking for the best propaganda to stick. And for some, it's big $$$$$'s, and tax free, what bullshit that is.