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babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 11:46 AM Aug 2014

Climate scientist drops the F-bomb after startling Arctic discovery

Wednesday, Aug 6, 2014 04:27 PM EST
Climate scientist drops the F-bomb after startling Arctic discovery
Sometimes, you've just got to tell it like it is
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Climate scientist drops the F-bomb after startling Arctic discovery (Credit: akphotoc/Shutterstock)

There’s nothing like Twitter to take a complicated issue and force you to break it down to its essence. In a case where scientists in the Arctic discovered massive plumes of methane escaping from the seafloor, climatologist and Arctic expert Jason Box sums that essence up thusly:

Jason Box @climate_ice
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If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we're f'd.
11:43 AM - 29 Jul 2014 Copenhagen, Danmark


The study concerns the large deposits of methane (CH4) — a greenhouse gas over twenty times more potent than CO2 — known to be buried beneath the Arctic. Stockholm University researchers found that some of that methane is leaking, and even making it to the ocean’s surface. They called the discovery “somewhat of a surprise,” which, according to Box, doesn’t quite communicate its importance. Motherboard senior editor Brian Merchant, sensing an opportunity to speak climate in more accessible language, followed up with Box, who stood by his assertion (and use of foul language):

“Even if a small fraction of the Arctic carbon were released to the atmosphere, we’re fucked,” he told me. What alarmed him was that ”the methane bubbles were reaching the surface. That was something new in my survey of methane bubbles,” he said.

“The conventional thought is that the bubbles would be dissolved before they reached the surface and that microorganisms would consume that methane, and that’s normal,” Box went on. But if the plumes are making it to the surface, that’s a brand new source of heat-trapping gases that we need to worry about.


“The Arctic is our most immediate carbon concern,” Box said, referring also to the CH4 escaping from the melting permafrost. But the sentiment can be expanded to all of climate change:

“We’re on a trajectory to an unmanageable heating scenario, and we need to get off it,” he said. “We’re fucked at a certain point, right? It just becomes unmanageable. The climate dragon is being poked, and eventually the dragon becomes pissed off enough to trash the place.”


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http://www.salon.com/2014/08/06/climate_scientist_drops_the_f_bomb_after_startling_arctic_discovery/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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Climate scientist drops the F-bomb after startling Arctic discovery (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2014 OP
These plumes have been going for years, so how exactly is this a surprise? redqueen Aug 2014 #1
Ah, but the point is... Who is going to survive the f'ing? I think we know the answer. freshwest Aug 2014 #8
in your article 7 paragraphs down, it says that none neverforget Aug 2014 #9
No, it doesn't. redqueen Aug 2014 #10
Isn't that what they think caused this: Fawke Em Aug 2014 #2
that's a doorway to Middle Earth wyldwolf Aug 2014 #3
Perfect. freshwest Aug 2014 #7
How horribly ironic the craters are located in the area locals call the end of the Earth snagglepuss Aug 2014 #5
I spent some time the other evening researching that and it's not unexpected. But I won't interfere. freshwest Aug 2014 #6
yikes marions ghost Aug 2014 #4
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #11

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
1. These plumes have been going for years, so how exactly is this a surprise?
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 11:48 AM
Aug 2014

From 2009:


It's been predicted for years, and now it's happening. Deep in the Arctic Ocean, water warmed by climate change is forcing the release of methane from beneath the sea floor.

Over 250 plumes of gas have been discovered bubbling up from the sea floor to the west of the Svalbard archipelago, which lies north of Norway. The bubbles are mostly methane, which is a greenhouse gas much more powerful than carbon dioxide.

The methane is probably coming from reserves of methane hydrate beneath the sea bed. These hydrates, also known as clathrates, are water ice with methane molecules embedded in them.

The methane plumes were discovered by an expedition aboard the research ship James Clark Ross, led by Graham Westbrook of the University of Birmingham and Tim Minshull of the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton, both in the UK.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17625-as-arctic-ocean-warms-megatonnes-of-methane-bubble-up.html



Yes, we are f'd, but it is hardly news.

neverforget

(9,437 posts)
9. in your article 7 paragraphs down, it says that none
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:30 PM
Aug 2014

of the observed methane plumes reached the surface. Now they are and that's the difference.

I would copy the paragraph but I'm on my phone.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
10. No, it doesn't.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:12 PM
Aug 2014
None of the plumes the team saw reached the surface, so the methane was not escaping into the atmosphere and thus contributing to climate change – not in that area, at least. "Bigger bubbles of methane make it all the way to the top, but smaller ones dissolve," says Minshull.


Those who were paying attention at the time know that many people witnessed these bubbles on the surface. The comment you refer to, which is immediately qualified by location, seems to be little more than a sad attempt to desperately cling to hope.

Looking back, there's no other conclusion possible.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. I spent some time the other evening researching that and it's not unexpected. But I won't interfere.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 01:23 PM
Aug 2014

The human race is going to need to pull the reins before the horse gallops over the edge of the cliff.

Um, that image is very offensive, it was used by a guy describing how the world is in the hands of the corporations, and our government is just the people's advocacy and community organizer to save ourselves.

That wasn't offensive in every sense, but the horse off the cliff, despite some who insist on deliberately doing just that every year... I digress, as always, not having had my coffee fix... is very upsetting to me.

I prefer the lemmings model of mass extinction. Oh, no, another unhappy image of furry things like the time I saw a load of beautiful, healthy looking dogs that merely looked asleep as they had been euthanized at the pound that slid off the backside of their truck at the city landfill appears...

I think I'll just ignore the whole thing, like most people do (not you) and see what's up in LBN. Someone's feelings are going to get hurt one way or the other...

Need coffee, sorry. Nice pic, by the way.


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