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yuiyoshida

(41,867 posts)
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 10:48 AM Aug 2014

Nagasaki marks 69th anniversary of its atomic bombing



By KYOSUKE YAMAMOTO/ Staff Writer

NAGASAKI--The city of Nagasaki marked the 69th anniversary of its atomic bombing on Aug. 9 by renewing its call to outlaw nuclear weapons.

Nagasaki Mayor Tomihisa Taue also voiced concern about a shift in defense policy that could put Japan on a war-footing.

In the ceremony in the Peace Park here, participants observed a moment of silence at 11:02 a.m., the moment the bomb detonated, killing some 74,000 people in 1945.

The participants, numbering 5,900 or so, included survivors of the bombing. The annual ceremony allows people to mourn the victims and renew their thoughts for a nuclear-free world.

In his Peace Declaration, Taue expressed alarm that Japan's constitutional pledge to “forever renounce war” had been severely shaken by the Abe administration’s approval of the exercise of the right to collective self-defense.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201408090034



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Nagasaki marks 69th anniversary of its atomic bombing (Original Post) yuiyoshida Aug 2014 OP
... progressoid Aug 2014 #1
The stoic and calm nature of the Japanese, again in evidence after the tsunami, gives me hope about Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
The Bombing of Nagasaki August 9, 1945: The Untold Story Faryn Balyncd Aug 2014 #3
Yup, so no one can blame the yuiyoshida Aug 2014 #5
He conveniently leaves out the other reasons for the targeting of Hiroshima and Nagasaki davidpdx Aug 2014 #6
Nagasaki Ron Obvious Aug 2014 #4

Fred Sanders

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2. The stoic and calm nature of the Japanese, again in evidence after the tsunami, gives me hope about
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 11:58 AM
Aug 2014

mankind.

Faryn Balyncd

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3. The Bombing of Nagasaki August 9, 1945: The Untold Story
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 11:37 PM
Aug 2014




The Bombing of Nagasaki August 9, 1945: The Untold Story

by Gary G. Kohls, M.D.



. . . It had been only three (3) days since the first bomb, a uranium bomb, had decimated Hiroshima on August 6, with chaos and confusion in Tokyo, where the fascist military government and the Emperor had been searching for months for a way to an honorable end of the war which had exhausted the Japanese to virtually moribund status. (The only obstacle to surrender had been the Truman administration's insistence on unconditional surrender, which meant that the Emperor Hirohito, whom the Japanese regarded as a deity, would be removed from his figurehead position in Japan — an intolerable demand for the Japanese.)

The Russian army was advancing across Manchuria with the stated aim of entering the war against Japan on August 8, so there was an extra incentive to end the war quickly: the US military command did not want to divide any spoils or share power after Japan sued for peace.

The US bomber command had spared Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Kokura from the conventional bombing that had burned to the ground 60+ other major Japanese cities during the first half of 1945. One of the reasons for targeting relatively undamaged cities with these new weapons of mass destruction was scientific: to see what would happen to intact buildings — and their living inhabitants — when atomic weapons were exploded overhead. . . .





. . . With instructions to drop the bomb only on visual sighting, Bock's Car arrived at Kokura, which was clouded over. So after circling three times, looking for a break in the clouds, and using up a tremendous amount of valuable fuel in the process, it headed for its secondary target, Nagasaki.

Nagasaki is famous in the history of Japanese Christianity. Not only was it the site of the largest Christian church in the Orient, St. Mary's Cathedral, but it also had the largest concentration of baptized Christians in all of Japan. It was the city where the legendary Jesuit missionary, Francis Xavier, established a mission church in 1549, a Christian community which survived and prospered for several generations. However, soon after Xavier's planting of Christianity in Japan, Portuguese and Spanish commercial interests began to be accurately perceived by the Japanese rulers as exploitive, and therefore the religion of the Europeans (Christianity) and their new Japanese converts became the target of brutal persecutions.

Within 60 years of the start of Xavier's mission church, it was a capital crime to be a Christian. The Japanese Christians who refused to recant of their beliefs suffered ostracism, torture and even crucifixions similar to the Roman persecutions in the first three centuries of Christianity. After the reign of terror was over, it appeared to all observers that Japanese Christianity had been stamped out.

However, 250 years later, in the 1850s, after the coercive gunboat diplomacy of Commodore Perry forced open an offshore island for American trade purposes, it was discovered that there were thousands of baptized Christians in Nagasaki, living their faith in a catacomb existence, completely unknown to the government - which immediately started another purge. But because of international pressure, the persecutions were soon stopped, and Nagasaki Christianity came up from the underground. And by 1917, with no help from the government, the Japanese Christian community built the massive St. Mary's Cathedral, in the Urakami River district of Nagasaki.

Now it turned out, in the mystery of good and evil, that St. Mary's Cathedral was one of the landmarks that the Bock's Car bombardier had been briefed on, and looking through his bomb site over Nagasaki that day, he identified the cathedral and ordered the drop.

At 11:02 am, Nagasaki Christianity was boiled, evaporated and carbonized in a scorching, radioactive fireball. The persecuted, vibrant, faithful, surviving center of Japanese Christianity had become ground zero.

And what the Japanese Imperial government could not do in over 200 years of persecution, American Christians did in 9 seconds. The entire worshipping community of Nagasaki was wiped out. . . .



http://medicolegal.tripod.com/kohlsnagasaki-untold-story.htm







Dr. Kohls is the Mid-West coordinator of Every Church A Peace Church (ECAPC), a national, interdenominational movement of Christian peacemakers that are urging their mainline and fundamentalist church brothers and sisters to become more prophetic in their peace and justice ministries. He was instrumental in organizing the movement's April 2001 inaugural conference in Duluth, MN.















yuiyoshida

(41,867 posts)
5. Yup, so no one can blame the
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:02 AM
Aug 2014

Japanese government for that.. and probably another reason why most Japanese think its very bad luck to be a Christian, and why Christians barely make up less than 1 percent of the population. The only place on earth, Christians can't get much recruitment done, not because most are Shinto-Buddhist, but because of superstition. If you tell them they need to be converted to Christianity, they will either walk away, or run away. Some may even laugh and walk away.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. He conveniently leaves out the other reasons for the targeting of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:13 AM
Aug 2014
The US bomber command had spared Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Kokura from the conventional bombing that had burned to the ground 60+ other major Japanese cities during the first half of 1945. One of the reasons for targeting relatively undamaged cities with these new weapons of mass destruction was scientific: to see what would happen to intact buildings — and their living inhabitants — when atomic weapons were exploded overhead. . . .


The five targets and the reasons for their choice:

The Target Committee nominated five targets: Kokura, the site of one of Japan's largest munitions plants; Hiroshima, an embarkation port and industrial center that was the site of a major military headquarters; Yokohama, an urban center for aircraft manufacture, machine tools, docks, electrical equipment and oil refineries; Niigata, a port with industrial facilities including steel and aluminum plants and an oil refinery; and Kyoto, a major industrial center. The target selection was subject to the following criteria:

The target was larger than 3 mi (4.8 km) in diameter and was an important target in a large urban area.
The blast would create effective damage.
The target was unlikely to be attacked by August 1945.[70]

These cities were largely untouched during the nightly bombing raids and the Army Air Forces agreed to leave them off the target list so accurate assessment of the weapon could be made. Hiroshima was described as "an important army depot and port of embarkation in the middle of an urban industrial area. It is a good radar target and it is such a size that a large part of the city could be extensively damaged. There are adjacent hills which are likely to produce a focusing effect which would considerably increase the blast damage. Due to rivers it is not a good incendiary target."[70]

The Target Committee stated that "It was agreed that psychological factors in the target selection were of great importance. Two aspects of this are (1) obtaining the greatest psychological effect against Japan and (2) making the initial use sufficiently spectacular for the importance of the weapon to be internationally recognized when publicity on it is released. Kyoto had the advantage of being an important center for military industry, as well an intellectual center and hence a population better able to appreciate the significance of the weapon. The Emperor's palace in Tokyo has a greater fame than any other target but is of least strategic value."[70]


Note, within the second paragraph that it states that the choice of Hiroshima was put on the list because the city had a army depot.

Nagasaki was put on as a replacement to Kyoto, which was essentially vetoed as a target. The primary target was Kokura during the second mission, but weather caused the change of target. Also Nagasaki was home of the Mitsubishi armament factory that made torpedos used in Pearl Harbor (Shockwave: Countdown to Hiroshima, Stephen Walker)

 

Ron Obvious

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4. Nagasaki
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 11:56 PM
Aug 2014

I had the unusual experience of having a Japanese-American professor of American History in college who survived the Nagasaki bombing. He was outside the city with his school class, gathering flowers in the hills (I think) when they saw a single American plane. He said they were all laughing at the lone plane until they stopped laughing a few minutes later.

An interesting guy. He rather lectured like Tojo addressing the troops, which didn't necessarily go down well with everyone, but I thought he was interesting.

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