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Ferguson, Missouri:
Rex
(65,616 posts)The PROBLEM with cops all in ONE photo! Might as well DROP the POLICE tag for a more militarized tag...maybe that could be 'fire squad 5'.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and they DO have tanks.
If the American people are willing to go along with this, then we deserve what will be the end result of all this. It truly is an outrage.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)I still remember the sounds of the police drumming on their shields as they chased down protestors in the days after the main march.
Nobel_Twaddle_III
(323 posts)I was just a few days out of eye surgery when the police let off tear gas outside my apartment building.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)And even closing the windows didn't help in many of the older buildings.
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aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Maybe we'll see that in a few years.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)They're not for using against people, but tear gas launchers aren't supposed to be used like a bean bag round, tasers aren't supposed to be compliance tools, etc. So it isn't like the intended purpose of a weapon matters.
druidity33
(6,448 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and say WTF is going on! We've all seen the pics in other countries, no reason to believe we are not headed there if this crap continues.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)A militarized police force is the most important step in a police state.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)They look like characters from a sci-fi movie.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I don't know how anyone kids themselves with the 'not all cops' defense.
This is systemic.
sylvanus
(122 posts)oh that's right, those guys pointing guns at the cops were white.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)LoisB
(7,234 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Of course the M$M would NEVER talk about something that might upset their paymasters.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Wow. Well said.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)and their friends showed up and pointed their rifles at federal agents do you think the feds would have stood down?
Of course not. We would have seen tanks then. And maybe even airstrikes. Wouldn't surprise me.
procon
(15,805 posts)If those fascist Sturmtruppen cornered me like that, I'd probably shite myself while having a heart attack.
Why do taxpayers stand for this?Its such an obscene waste of manpower and funds, and the abuse of authority produces monumental resentment in the community that only inflames the public relations debacle.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Gotta keep "those folks" in line, don'cha know...
VScott
(774 posts)done that.
Didn't leave the house all day, and didn't answer the door when they knocked.
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SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)It's spring time on the plants, and I'm pretty sure the name on the back of the officers of the 2nd picture says Boston Police.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)VScott
(774 posts)It didn't wake me up, but the tenant above me heard it.
Peeking out the window that day (and watching it on the news), it looked more like
Iraq/Afghanistan than a quite Boston suburb.
EEO
(1,620 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)VScott
(774 posts)and set buildings of fire.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)As they have been doing since forever.
VScott
(774 posts)the proper and civilized response still wouldn't be looting stores and setting buildings of fire.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)VScott
(774 posts)has always produced more positive results.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)could learn from your example.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)malaise
(269,187 posts)while the militarized police have declared open season on young unarmed African-American males.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)because of something the police did.
Fuck that bullshit. The cop shoul be put on trial for murder without a doubt. That however is no license to start destroying other peoples property.
Unless of course you think every time a murder is committed people should be allowed to riot.
I get the anger and frustration, but pretending that nothing should be done about looting and rioting is ridiculous.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)What exactly would you suggest? Perhaps they could do an interview on faux news to express their grievances instead. Or maybe they can file a complaint with the very same police department that is responsible for the murder. Powerless people do not respond to murder as you think they should.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)They did shoot at the ALLEGED (he's not been convicted) marathon bomber 200+ times and it turns out he was unarmed.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Is enough of allegation to get support from 75% of the white population of america.
smiley
(1,432 posts)to the inevitable...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I was amazed the people there went for it (my husband has family there).
smiley
(1,432 posts)in the coming years. And unfortunately, I won't be surprised at all when the majority of the public welcomes it with open arms.
VScott
(774 posts)"If you have nothing to hide..." "it's for everyone's safety"..."only the police and military should be allowed to own firearms"...
Where have I heard that before?
shedevil69taz
(512 posts)For only the police and military to have firearms. Claiming that no one else "needs" them because hey its already so out of whack that no matter what you won't have a chance against either of them...so you should just submit to their will...go quietly...everything will be fine...
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)by the general public after about 20 people were killed by terrorists.
It was only when their own relatives started disappearing that they became concerned.
smiley
(1,432 posts)that world history is filled with similar examples.
sheshe2
(83,931 posts)Shame on you!
A child/young man was shot by police in St. Louis. He was shot 10 times all in all and he had his hands over his head. HE WAS SHOT BY THE POLICE.
The images you present was an all out hunt for 2 people that were sought for the murder of three and those that lost multiple limbs at the Boston Marathon. It was an act of terrorism and the police responded. I do not find your post the least bit amusing. I had loved ones there that day.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/specials/boston_marathon_bombing_victim_list/
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)In fact. I'll take my chances with the terrorists over facing an over militarized squad of police officers any time.
That is not what America is supposed to look like.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Ferguson is not the best neighborhood, but it's certainly not the worst. The people in the area are shocked. So believe me, this can happen in anytown, anywhere.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)join the local police force. This is what they know. Just the site of the local police with that military butch haircut is enough to set me off.
That alone is a statement.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)So that one can identify them.
Otherwise they are just anonymous thugs.
I am sure that this is done on purpose. They don't want to be identified.
Welcome to the Police States of America, where the police don't have to obey the rules, they ARE the rules!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)I look at my own front door, easily visible from my favorite chair, and wonder if some SWAT team will come crashing through it -- because they got thevwrong address, if nothing else. Or if a Ferguson MO incident will spark a riot in my neighborhood. Neither is outside the realm of possibility. That never used to even occur to me.
mokawanis
(4,452 posts)Those guys look like they're ready to re-take Fallujah.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)mokawanis
(4,452 posts)but I think the other pics in this thread better represent cops in the US. American PD's are rapidly becoming militarized.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Cheap PR stunts are just that, cheap.
mokawanis
(4,452 posts)I misunderstood your post. Thanks for clarifying!
CincyDem
(6,390 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Plus that other stuff doesn't even look or taste like milk.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)42 percent African American and only 3 Black officers on the force there. Go figure, this was simmering for a long time before the lid blew off with an unwarranted killing of a young unarmed black man.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I wish there was a fund started to help start a movement, where shirts like this can be purchased to help fund the cause.
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Takket
(21,634 posts)SarcasticRover ?@SarcasticRover · 2h
It's easier to get pictures of what's happening on Mars than what's happening in #Ferguson MO.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts).....
No words.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)in your dreams.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)Police State...simple...
meow2u3
(24,774 posts)Welcome to the United Snakes, Land of the thief, home of the slave...
easychoice
(1,043 posts)dickthegrouch
(3,184 posts)They HAVE to win and they can't do it except by overwhelming force. At which point, they've lost.
Whatever happened to talking things down?
Whatever happened to admitting you were wrong?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Response to KeepItReal (Original post)
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VScott
(774 posts)http://www.businessinsider.com/police-militarization-ferguson-2014-8
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Accept my apology.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)From NBC News:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-fire-tear-gas-quell-protests-over-michael-browns-death-n178606
Police wearing riot gear walk toward a man with his hands raised Monday. Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said a large crowd that gathered throughout Monday at the site of a burned-out convenience store turned rowdy at nightfall, throwing rocks at police. Officers used tear gas and shot "beanbag rounds" meant to stun them, he said.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)I understand the need for riot police and protecting the public interest, but there is no fucking reason in the world a man walking ON THE SIDEWALK, UNARMED should have no fewer than 3 assault rifles aimed at him as he is clearly in a defensive position.
Every officer in that picture is a disgrace and the ones with raised weapons should be fired IMMEDIATELY.
This shit has to end or there will be open warfare on police. Roadside IED's. Sniper fire. Suicide bombings of police stations. These horrors and more await the jack booted thugs if they do not realize the police are NOT the goddamned army or marines. American citizens WAKE THE FUCK UP....we are under occupation from a hostile and detached gang of thugs.
The only thing separating ISIS from the Ferguson SWAT teams is an overtly religious edict...though I would argue many of these asshole officers are praying to the gods of the 0.01% pay masters on a several times a day rotation.
crim son
(27,464 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,854 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)see this post
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Are they to protect and serve or are we the enemy?
kjones
(1,053 posts)They are training, but I still heard a flashbang a second ago.
Kinda scaring the people in the area, the "Training in Progress"
sign is kind of buried by the lead, "Oh shit, SWAT guys!"
I am in Michigan, for the record.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)"terrorism".
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread, KeepItReal.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Hoping something positive can come out of all this
Euphoria
(448 posts)His opening segment is doing a great job covering this situation in Ferguson.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Hope they save some of the flash bang grenades in case there are any pot smokers with baby cribs that need raidin'.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)This time he was shot 10 times while his hands were in the air.
He had just graduated high school and was supposed to head to college in a few weeks.
But he was Black....
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Disgusting as it is it says it all. Goodnight America.
randys1
(16,286 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)spanone
(135,886 posts)catbyte
(34,458 posts)It was right after showing a similar picture on the 6:00 news tonight. I don't think it's a coincidence he is African American. I was glad he went there. This was in Grand Rapids, MI.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Moostache
(9,897 posts)IEDs (ambushed police vehicles)
Pipe Bombs
Molotov cocktails
small arms fire from hidden positions
sniper fire of lone cops
eventually, the police will find themselves targeted with the same weapons that they are using against the people when the gangs and militias confiscate the guns and tanks after killing the occupants...
Just wait and see....or turn on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to see the endgame conflict of this type of murderous oppression of a single group.
I have no sympathy for any officers shot or killed in the pursuit of protecting the 0.01% agenda. The claim of ignorance of the true nature of the modern police department is no longer enough to buy the benefit of the doubt from me...you wear a badge and support the actions of these thugs? You share in the very real risk of being attacked in retaliation. From this day forward, signing up to "serve" in these militarized thug divisions formerly known as police departments is no better than joining the Gestapo to beat up Jews.
We are clearly on a path to escalating violence, more killings and then the inevitable retributions. The media is complicit in this as well by ignoring the issue of the military weaponry being used in these "police" groups....another offshoot of that lovely legislation called the PATRIOT Act...
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)A Temporary Flight Restriction is in place for the area above Ferguson until August 18th. The FAA says no pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this order unless authorized by authorities. This gives police helicopters a monopoly in the airspace.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/12/news-helicopters-asked-not-to-fly-over-ferguson/
ProgressiveJarhead
(172 posts)Part of me almost wants to cry and part of me wants to rage. The warnings about these types of police tactics are being ignored by the media. My wife is Black (I capitalize it) and the look in her eyes when she sees this type of brutality in this nation says it all. She spent a year 6 miles from the Somali border and has seen some things, but this really bothers her.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)I can only hope Justice is served, ultimately and more tolerance is applied equally.
Welcome to DU, BTW
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Homeland Security grants to local police departments for weapons and vehicles like tanks. It has to stop.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014852205
All The Infrastructure A Tyrant Would Need, Courtesy Of Bush And Obama - TheAtlantic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022973186
The Militarizing of Local Police (through Federal Grants)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bradlockwood/2011/11/30/the-militarizing-of-local-police/
Another Day, Another 124 Violent SWAT Raids
https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/another-day-another-124-violent-swat-raids
Does your local government have a black budget too?
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty-criminal-law-reform/does-your-local-government-have
Too many cops are told they're soldiers.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech-technology-and-liberty/too-many-cops-are-told-theyre-soldiers
One ongoing scandal in the criminal justice world, for example, is the fact that there's no reliable data on how often police officers fire their weapons at citizens. The federal government is supposed to collect these figures, but for whatever reason, it simply hasn't done so.
Towns don't need tanks, but they have them.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-free-speech/towns-dont-need-tanks-they-have-them
Full ACLU Report on Police Militarization
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)I wish you would make this an OP. We need a siren call to DU to support the ACLU, now more than ever. I imagine most here do, but it should be 100%.
I've posted something similar before, but your call to support the ACLU would carry a lot more weight.
Nobel_Twaddle_III
(323 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Even if every damned Al Qaeda, IS, Crip and Blood in the freaking world converged on this tiny town in MISSOURI that wouldn't justify this stupid assed, over the top, completely unnecessary response.
Moronic, racist as hell and 100% NEEDLESSLY dangerous. I hope whoever authorized this loses their job forever.
Rapillion
(51 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Anyone that would excuse this shit should have to answer for it. That includes all Democratic Party office holders. Listen, we know Republican are fucking idiots. We can only hope to control Democrats.
Sparhawk60
(359 posts)Police are very brave when it comes to shooting a unarmed man. I wonder how brave they would be if the people started shooting back?
And the sad thing is, all the police need to do to stop the violence is to enforce the law. You shoot a unarmed man, you go to jail. I have no doubt that I would be sitting in jail right now if I was the one who shot the unarmed man. Arrest the police officer, put him on trial, and the violence stops, simple as that.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)Treat the shooter like any other suspected murderer. Put him in jail pending trial, and let the chips fall where they may.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)during the 2008 Republican convention and in Minneapolis when I lived there albeit it was in the '90's and they were not quite as militarized but every bit as 'enthusiastic'
Javaman
(62,534 posts)James48
(4,441 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)At the same time as Car 54, where are you, you had Chicago cops killing black folk. At the same time you had Chips, the LAPD was killing black folk.
Hill Street Blues? Same. NYPD Blue? Same.
If people are taken in by entertainment portrayals of cops, thinking they reflect reality- then they need to wake the fuck up and learn that not everything on the boob tube is real.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)This is the face of domestic terrorism.
valerief
(53,235 posts)SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 13, 2014, 04:47 PM - Edit history (1)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)..
Living in a police state is among the many reasons we need to think differently about the individual and collective natural and civil right to self defense.
Shocking.
K/R
cui bono
(19,926 posts)But it was not as concentrated as it was spread out over a large city. And of course it was in response to the trial at that point, not a cold blooded murder.
And it wasn't people standing in front of them with their arms up and those assholes actually pointing their rifles at them, which is chilling. I saw another pic like that with two kids, one was a girl about 5-6 standing in front of riot cops with their hands up.
This is insane.