That Brown was charging at him, head down and in a full run. How else do you shoot someone in the top of the head, from the front, from a distance? This autopsy report needs to be double checked. It completely contradicts what the witnesses said (that Brown was shot in the back while running away). THIS is exactly why so many of us thought it was a terrible idea to put Johnson on TV and give his account of events. Now that the physical evidence contradicts the two known witnesses, the case against Wilson is out the window.

This thing has been freaking bungled from the start.

Wilson is going to get away with murder.

All eyewitness reports AND the Autopsy itself say the shots were fire when Brown was down in a PRONE position

I don't know why ANYONE would spread lies like those you just said

Everyone knows that poster is always going to take a position he perceives as anti-Black. A well earned reputation there.

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SMH.

Here is mine:

from the autopsy commissioned by Brown's parents:

Right after he got shot in the eye.

The accusation I responded to said,

You jumped into an ongoing exchange about whether someone who accurately reported on the autopsy was lying about what it said. Read the subthread. Primarily what I am quoting is the doctor commissioned by the parents to perform the autopsy to establish that what was being said about the autopsy was accurate:

says the report proves he's in a prone position. Where are you getting that information?

And the justice department has stepped in, so, no. If he 'gets away with it' i feel sorry for the town. It will probably look like the watts riot. We rioted after the cops got away with beating Rodney king. And he survived. If i was a cop in the town, I'd be telling on his ass to save my ass an my town.

By shooting them while they are laying on the ground, after they already took a bunch of bullets.

kind of shots?

They always empty their gun. Even if the victim is already laying on the ground when they start shooting, or ten cops are doing it at once. IT must be some protocol or something.

They teach their agents to more or less empty the clip in them. Causes a lot of damage to the intended target. Their reasoning was that the target will still be a threat after two or three rounds due to adrenaline or drugs. It turns the human body into a pulp

nasty shit to think about....

I'm sure a taser would have dropped him no problem on the first shot.

Where the heck are you getting that? It's only been stated about a dozen times on this thread alone that the autopsy showed SIX gunshot wounds.

Please, there's enough misinformation floating around without adding to it so egregiously.

I was watching live when the autopsy report came back in bits and pieces. They said something like four shots to the arm, four to the body, two to the face and two to the top of the head or something like that.

When I woke up this morning, I they had it down to six lol.

FBI agents are supposed to investigate after all the shooting is over, conducting interviews, examining evidence, etc.
They receive very little training in firearms and none in unarmed self-defense.
Their training time is devoted to investigative procedures.
They are given a gun to protect themselves and others in case there is a threat during an investigation, and their only training is to shoot to kill.

Police are trained to get control of a situation, to stop drunk drivers, bar fights, domestic disputes, suicide attempts, bank robberies, etc. Police are also usually certified first responders, trained to perform CPR and other emergency medical procedures. FBI agents usually get none of that training, unless they get it themselves on their own time.

If you ever get to watch a police training video, you'll see it's very different than the FBI training video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certified_first_responder

A certified first responder (Also called an "Emergency Medical Responder" or "Medical First Responder&quot is a person who has completed a course and received certification in providing pre-hospital care for medical emergencies.

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First responder courses cover the human body, lifting and moving patients, patient assessment, medical and trauma emergencies, cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), automated external defibrillator usage, spinal and bone fracture immobilization, and EMS operations.

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Most police officers and all professional firefighters in the US and Canada, and many other countries, are certified first responders. This is the required level of training. Some police officers and firefighters obtain more training to become emergency medical technicians or paramedics.

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If Brown -- undisputably unarmed -- was attempting to charge at him from a distance, why didn't he use his taser instead of his gun? There was no immediacy to the perceived threat at the time he shot.

The degree of white arrogance one needs to believe that story is remarkable. Did he get shot in the eye before he ducked his head and charged, or after?? Ridiculous.

But even assuming you accept the officer's version of events, for the sake of argument, the autopsy results suggest he was in the wrong for ever pulling his gun. He had lesser force available for dealing with any threat he perceived from 20 feet away, and chose to use deadly force instead.

Please. Continue.

He didn't move after that. I think that cop was likely in full panic and I'd be more inclined to listen to the other witnesses at least on the same level.

No powder anywhere on Brown's skin is particularly damning.

And he was at a distance and unarmed. That is a big thing.

I think you are trying to figure this out according to your own reasoning, when there were so many witnesses that say otherwise.

Evidence of hands being up, palms showing to the shooter.

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How about you are falling as the last fatal bullet flies? There is no question the cop shot at Brown as he ran...when he turned around and put his hands up...he fire at least six more times.

I never heard anything about Mike being on his knees or anything like that.

But, the facts and forensics tell the tale. Twenty feet away, shot multiple times, perfect time to put away the gun and get out the handcuffs. Not to shoot him twice in the head.

Reports.

The head shot at a fleeing suspect is suspect.

If true, it just means witnesses who thought they saw his body jerk as if he'd been shot (in the back while running away) were wrong about how they interpreted his body movement.

Okay, I'll admit I was tempted...

That's a start, so we can see the whole report in some sort of context.

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And turned around and put his arms up.

The witness on O'Donnells show said at least one nearby home had a bullet in the wall so we know all shots didn't hit Brown.

This was a premeditated execution.

The penalty for this murder in the state of Missouri is death or life imprisonment.

Where did it come from?

He charged the officer after bring shot in the eye! According to racist assholes.

According to unverified sources, the FBI has a lot more than the known four all saying the same thing.

Like Hands Up, Don't Shoot.

Not sure what it will get you around here.

Witnesses claimed Brown jerked and turned with his hands up. That could've been Brown reacting to being shot at, while they thought it was him being shot. Getting shot in different areas of his body doesn't sound like a struggle for a gun. You'd think all the bullets would be in one area if Wilson squeezed off six shots defending his life.

This is especially true if the operator doesn't have the gun fully under control when firing. Under ideal conditions, A well trained shooter can bring the gun back under control quickly and accurately for the next shot. A less well trained shooter will have more time in between effective shots, and less accurate follow up shots. In a stressful environment, who knows what could happen.

And knowing a few cops, this was probably a .40 or .45 caliber pistol. Those are heavy, powerful rounds with significant kick.

From the autopsy though, there was no gunpowder residue on the victim, so I don't think there was a fight over the gun at the time of discharge.

The top of the head was likely that creep getting off another shot while Michael was falling forward.

He would have bled out before they could save him.

Your framing is fantastic.

Sorry 'bout dat alert, tho!

to edit your posts to delete where you make fun of a hidden post seeing as one of yours was hidden as well.

Additionally, the wounds are consistent with witness accounts of what happened which have themselves been consistent.

This autopsy report doesn't aid the officer at all.

Which is why that cop got bundled up and sent out of town faster than a Honey Baked ham at Christmas.

Wait until it's corroborated by the Justice Department autopsy. And it doesn't mean that Wilson did not fire at his back. There was either one or two stray shots taken from a home in the line of fire.

Then the cop executed him.

I didn't hear the first part, so I don't know if he said this definitively or speculatively, but he said that the shot to the eye went through his jaw area and then shoulder, which means Michael was on the ground, or at a lower height than the shooter, and the shooter was shooting with a downward trajectory.

He also added that he feels it is highly unlikely that, given Michael's size, that the head shots occurred as Michael was "charging." He doesn't feel any "charging" was possible given what he has seen.

Regarding no shots to the back, it doesn't contradict eyewitness accounts. They didn't say the shots connected...not until Michael stopped and turned around. They didn't know if he stopped and turned around because he was actually shot or heard bullets whizzing by him. They just said the cop kept shooting as Michael ran away. It's a given that more shots were fired than connected.

Take everything he says with a pound of salt. Alien Autopsy?

I wasn't aware of it before your comment.

I'm seeing (on skeptic fora) where Mr. Wecht was one of several professionals interviewed to observe a film, and provide any professional feedback possible by watching the film of the supposed alien autopsy.

I read his comments casting doubt on what he was seeing. I didn't find anything reporting any comments of him believing it was an alien autopsy; just a plethora of Internet comments. He just gave his professional view of the procedures being done and what he was looking at in the film.

I suppose him agreeing, for whatever reason, to be interviewed for the film back in the 90s is reason enough for people to throw him under the bus as not being credible.

I'll refrain from doing so based on what I've seen of him over the decades. Even if he was interviewed in a hoax film about an alien autopsy.

Not really prepared, a blowhard and I just did not like or trust him. Missed a big detail in the case, got killed during cross examinatuon. But for all I know he does not like me. Anyway, make up your own mind.

When his back was to him