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A century has passed since the start of World War I, which many people at the time declared was the war to end all wars. Unfortunately, wars just kept happening. And with the headlines from Ukraine getting scarier by the day, this seems like a good time to ask why.
Once upon a time wars were fought for fun and profit; when Rome overran Asia Minor or Spain conquered Peru, it was all about the gold and silver. And that kind of thing still happens. In influential research sponsored by the World Bank, the Oxford economist Paul Collier has shown that the best predictor of civil war, which is all too common in poor countries, is the availability of lootable resources like diamonds. Whatever other reasons rebels cite for their actions seem to be mainly after-the-fact rationalizations. War in the preindustrial world was and still is more like a contest among crime families over who gets to control the rackets than a fight over principles.
If youre a modern, wealthy nation, however, war even easy, victorious war doesnt pay. And this has been true for a long time. In his famous 1910 book The Great Illusion, the British journalist Norman Angell argued that military power is socially and economically futile. As he pointed out, in an interdependent world (which already existed in the age of steamships, railroads, and the telegraph), war would necessarily inflict severe economic harm even on the victor. Furthermore, its very hard to extract golden eggs from sophisticated economies without killing the goose in the process.
We might add that modern war is very, very expensive. For example, by any estimate the eventual costs (including things like veterans care) of the Iraq war will end up being well over $1 trillion, that is, many times Iraqs entire G.D.P.
So the thesis of The Great Illusion was right: Modern nations cant enrich themselves by waging war. Yet wars keep happening. Why?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/opinion/paul-krugman-why-we-fight.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
Dr. Krugman misses the point. Governments don't make money on war, but the folks that control those governments sure do. Right, Darth Cheney?
Viva_Daddy
(785 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Warpy
(111,335 posts)and therein lies the reason for most wars, that and silly posturing among old men who consider themselves entitled to the top of the human dungheap.
It's always been a rich man's war, poor man's fight; old man's war, young man's fight.
agbdf
(200 posts)unless it is one of those rare exceptions such as:
Gaining our independence from British colonial rule;
Throwing the British out of the US after they invaded us - The War of 1812;
Preserving the Union and freeing the slaves
during The Civil War;
Preventing Imperial Germany and it's allies from overrunning Europe;
Defeating Facism and Nazism after the Axis Powers declared war on us;
Preserving a free and autonomous South Korea after the North invaded the South;
Defeating the Soviet Union and it's Warsaw Pact allies in the Cold War.
Throwing the Iraqi Army out of Kuwait in 1991;
Taking out the Taliban controlled government in Afghanistan after 911.
PLEASE NOTE:
There are other little stupid wars that our goverment has engaged in that we shouldn't have done.
Do to the high expense of war, our leaders should ensure that any war of the future is absolutely vital to our national security.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Maybe the King of Kuwait is happy. Afghanistan is going right back to the Taliban/warlords within a few years. But it's a nice story, isn't it.
agbdf
(200 posts)But, it sounds as though we agree that sometimes nations like ours do have to go to war - as terrible as war is.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)And it has been a long time since we had a 'just' war.
agbdf
(200 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Even as to some of the wars that I would leave on the list, cui bono?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)And the fact is that nations almost always rally around their leaders in times of war, no matter how foolish the war or how awful the leaders. Argentinas junta briefly became extremely popular during the Falklands war. For a time, the war on terror took President George W. Bushs approval to dizzying heights, and Iraq probably won him the 2004 election. True to form, Mr. Putins approval ratings have soared since the Ukraine crisis began.
No doubt its an oversimplification to say that the confrontation in Ukraine is all about shoring up an authoritarian regime that is stumbling on other fronts. But theres surely some truth to that story and that raises some scary prospects for the future. Most immediately, we have to worry about escalation in Ukraine. All-out war would be hugely against Russias interests but Mr. Putin may feel that letting the rebellion collapse would be an unacceptable loss of face.
And if authoritarian regimes without deep legitimacy are tempted to rattle sabers when they can no longer deliver good performance, think about the incentives Chinas rulers will face if and when that nations economic miracle comes to an end something many economists believe will happen soon.
Nice find, n2doc.