And formal statement from the thug that shot down Mr. Brown before going there.

I would also hope there is some sort of drug testing or something that was done on the guy to see if maybe he was hopped up on something that made him go into such a blind rage that he would shoot someone in the eye (basically painfully blinding him) - then be dumb enough/lack clarity to think said blinded/wounded person could actually SEE you - to charge you.

All cops need to be tested.

look like he lifts. The prototypical nerd cop.

The eye-witness in the video isn't reliable, they rarely are.

And the alleged friend of a friend of Wilson who calls into a radio with hearsay evidence is even less than reliable.

And, what she is relating could be Wilson's lie, and not the truth.

"Come on guys, get out of the street"-- I doubt those are the words that came out of his mouth.

....

the alleged friend of Wilson's radio call in regarding Wilson's side of events backs up what they are getting from "police back sources" (have no idea what the hell that means). They therefore said that this information collaborates that this is Wilson's story and are reporting it as such.

A new eyewitness named Piaget Brown recorded footage of Michael Brown, and has now come forward to give her account on CNN. Ms Crenshaw says she saw officer Darren Wilson trying to pull Brown into his police car, when Brown broke away and started running down the street. Then, according to Crenshaw, Wilson got out of the car and began chasing Brown while firing his weapon. She says that when a bullet grazed Michael Brown’s arm, he turned around — and then officer Wilson shot him multiple times.

Video of her CNN interview and video of the shooter walking around the body

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/18/newday-intv-ferguson-shooting-crenshaw.cnn.html

She came forward within a day or two, I believe. I think she is the witness that watched from her balcony. She may have been holding the video until federal investigators saw it. She seems like a very intelligent young woman who carefully considers her words.

I've got to reboot my computer - not getting sound on the CNN video.

This murder gets whitewashed and all hell is going to break loose. I can't say I blame those people.
Why do we have individuals constantly insisting that people should just take whatever the authorities say and be satisfied.
If this was your kid would you feel the same?
If that cop who wa armed was afraid of a large man, then he has no business being a cop. Are people really trying to say the guy with the gun was more frightened. What the hell?!? I can't get over that.

He needs to be convicted for the sake of Ferguson.

He should be convicted (or found not guilty) based on the evidence. He should not be convicted just to apease a mob.

if you want a conviction regardless of the facts. We don't do sacrificial lambs to the mob.

No. A fair and as impartial as possible result needs to be come to. Just like any other case. If the mob doesn't like that, too bad.

I'm sure you'd open yourself up to such "justice".

You honestly have no interest in the truth because you've already made up your mind and seem very proud of it. You're just like the guy who said in the debate over creationism that no evidence would make him change his mind. Personally I don't have enough evidence to make up my mind. And in that case, the presumption is innocence.

I mean, who cares about due process or any of that constitutional crap, right?

One religion is not with the unrest?
One race is not worth the unrest?

One person is worth the entire world, if you don't believe that I feel sorry for you.

My God. Is that what this has come to? String this cop up the same way blacks were strung up 75 years ago. I would hope you would retract or delete that comment. Hideous.

what is the matter with you? I'm just shocked!

The scary part is that there are probably people within the justice community who might agree with you.

Appease the mob and forego the law.

He said Brown doubled back, which only means he turned around and was making his way back to the officer. Why are people assuming 'doubled back' means he ran towards Wilson?

Please don't use that term to describe Brown.

To me, at my age, he is just a young boy or kid and not yet a man. If you say man, which in my mind, he is not, it makes it sound much worse. But I do understand your political correctness concerns and will refrain from that term and say young man. Thank you for the reminder. Nothing was meant by it.

it's a racial slur. You should either edit or delete that post. Leaving it the way it is says you don't give a shit.

If you can look through a computer screen and see my soul, than I would say you are god. But I don't believe that.

A person can get stupid over very small trivialities. If you think that I said it in an inappropriate way and that I had a malicious intention, then alert on the post and allow the moderators to remove it.

But I know what is in my heart and mind and there is no way in hell that I would delete or change this thread. Have a good day Sir.

yourself.

The poster already made it clear why he references Brown as "the boy". Calling that racists is a level of ignorance that is unbeknownset to civilized people. What would you call an 8 year old African American male child other than "boy"? "Young man"? Young male? Adolescent? Pre-teen?

Seriously.

Educate yourself because you are the ignorant one here.

Any American who uses the term "boy" to describe an adult, African-American male is either a stone-cold racist or a complete idiot with absolutely no knowledge of the history of race relations in the USA.

2001 AP Broadcast Handbook says:

"youth": Don’t use it; people don’t talk that way. Use man or woman for individuals 18 and older, teenager, boy, or girl for people aged 13-18.

Ther only people who see racism in something like this are those who want to perpetuate it.

I would call the 18 year old young men in my white family boys. I think that's a boy in human terms. 18 is till boy territory.

Highlighting the young man's youth makes him more sympathetic - didn't they complain when they used a young looking picture of Trayvon?

explains why working class people are turned off by too much political correctness and vote republican.

Everyone know 'boy' can be used as a slur.

However, it was CLEARLY evidnet that was not your intent.

Everyone so worked up to show how sensitive they are, they're willing to castigate anyone and everything.

Even when they know better themselves.

Deplorable

That was hidden because "boy" is a racial slur in this context?

You've gotta be kidding me.

It couldn't be more obvious that isn't what was meant.

If you can't figure out context at an kindergarten level.

I sure can't help you

... context

The unarmed young man goes towards a grown man/cop with a gun.

Maybe the other party to the confrontation can't know for sure, but if the other person had a gun, they'd pull it out too and maybe use it. If you are the one with the gun and someone has to try to steal it from you, they probably don't have one. In which case you don't need to shoot them. Arrest them at gunpoint.

to pick up the sidewalk as a weapon. Good thing Wilson shot him before he could.



Assholes!

It needed to be written here - image and all.

So you give a term of respect to the murdering cop, but offer up no respect for Mr. Brown.

Nice.

Really nice.

the language says it all sometimes

I'm at least 370 pounds (I know, I gotta lose some of this...), so if I charge someone, that could be a problem, but certain martial arts like jiu-jitsu and aikido can turn my bulk into an Achilles' heel, throwing me off-balance and landing me flat on my face so that handcuffs can be snapped around my wrists. No need for a gun, and probably no need for a taser or a billy club, either.

most departments require at least one and often multiple non-lethal instruments to utilize in situations like this ...

Namely, if you have a second person waiting with a gun in case the less-lethal fails.

I was a taser instructor. If the person is just standing there being noncompliant it's a good tool. If a person is charging someone who is alone it's absolutely the wrong tool- much harder to hit, no ability for a rapid fire second shot if it misses, consequences for failure are too extreme.

Same for pepper spray- a person sprayed can still be a threat, ask anyone who has been through drills where they were sprayed and still had to fight a person and get them in cuffs or other drills.

... "hands on" levels during escalation of force due to increased legal liability which led to an increased reliance on tools.

That liability goes for both police and folks getting arrested.

When the truth is going hands-on with no backup on scene is probably the most risky thing an officer can do.

There is a use of force continuum taught and used, but it's all dependent on circumstance. If you are chasing someone and have backup with you, grabbing them and taking them down is a good course of action. If you are in a situation the officer is evidently claiming where someone has assaulted you, runs away then turns and charges you going hands on would be quite stupid, especially if the officer is alone.

As a sport martial arts are great. If you make the move wrong or they outwit you and counter the move you learn yor lesson, shake hands and move on. When you are in a fight possibly for your life the consequences of failure are a bit more dire.

How could that possibly be a legitimate police procedure. Even if he didn't kill Brown, he could have killed ANYBODY in that area. O that basis alone, he should be kicked off the force. How come nobody is even talking about that?


Since when is it a proper police response to run down a residential street shooting off your gun, for the crime of what? Walking down the middle of a side street?

..laying low, concocting a story that jibes with the hard evidence, hoping no new witnesses or video turn up, cleansing roids out of his system.

Who just shot you from a safe distance?

No.

The idea is ludicrous.

My opinion only , he stopped because he had been hit in the arm, only because Wilson's aim was bad, he tried to kill him on the first shot. I use to work with my local PD. Their motto was if you take the gun out and shoot, its to kill, the training officer said always watch the hands, they determine what you do. Browns hands were empty, even MY local screw ups wouldn't have killed him.
That he would stop running, turn and charge like a mad bull is lunacy. He didn't want to get shot any more.
The top of the head shot was like a double tap, the first head shot was causing him to go forward, the second finished him.

Don't assume perfectly clear thinking when adrenaline and fear are in play.

I've seen people who were about to get a ticket or minor arrest that might have let to a few hours of community service at worst choose to run and/or fight and turn it into a felony charge that led to longer jail time and that felony conviction following them for life. Relevant to this case I have seen people caught shoplifting assault store employees to get away and make what they did a much more serous charge. Not logical at all in either case, but it happens every day out there.

I've seen drunk white kids get pushy with cops (especially in a bar district around closing time) and miraculously not one of them to my knowledge ended up dead...

JACK SHIT

It is just you. 2nd degree murder, at the very least.

If they acquit that man, we'll see what goes down alright.

It never says that.

This is what really pisses us Black folks off. You have one unnamed witness and "source" who claims this while people who were actually on the scene and say otherwise are denigrated.

This is why people of color think the justice system is such a fucking joke. If the races of the actors had been reversed, I have no doubt a Black officer would have been arrested by now.

who the fuck else is saying this?

Probability is a great thing. So here is the problem I have using probability with this version of events.

Michael Brown was through the window involved in some sort of altercation. Officer Darren Wilson fired a round from within the car. Michael Brown growing afraid started to run away. That makes perfect sense. The normal human reaction of fight or flight. If you are inclined to fight, you wouldn't run, you would redouble your efforts to get to the gun and get control of it.

Michael Brown makes it thirty five feet or so from the Police Car while Officer Darren Wilson is extricating himself from inside. A second shot is fired. Now, here is where probability and human nature come in. Either you are going to keep running because you are scared, or you are going to stop and surrender because you are scared.

Instead, we're supposed to believe that a complete personality change came over Michael Brown at this point. He went from normal human reactions to insanely aggressive? Nothing to this point is unusual, or difficult to believe. Yet here, Michael Brown who surrendered all the advantage he had at the car, already being withing close physical proximity to Darren Wilson, already having his hands on him. Then he runs away because of a gunshot, and then after the second gunshot, turns and charges towards?

A complete change of psychology in what, four seconds? A complete change in behavior, in four seconds. That is highly improbable. I would doubt anyone who told me such a thing. Because if you are instinctively going to fight, attack the individual, why run away, and then turn and run back? That is not only illogical, it is a violation of the principle of momentum. We have seen fish who turn based upon the actions of fish around them. But People don't do that. We run until we see something, and then we decide to turn left, right, or back. Those behind us don't take their cue from us, they run until they can see it too, and then they also start the left right back decision process. But if someone is fleeing in fear, they might stop in an effort of surrender, they might keep running if additional danger appears behind them, such as a second shot, but I am dubious at the idea that he would turn, and then charge the cop. Dubious is as polite as I can say it.

I wonder how the police asked the questions?