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(86,005 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:58 PM Aug 2014

A grand jury may start hearing evidence Wednesday on Michael Brown killing

msnbc ?@msnbc 25m

A grand jury may start hearing evidence Wednesday in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown:

FERGUSON, Missouri – The office of the county prosecutor has said a grand jury could start hearing evidence Wednesday in the fatal shooting of unarmed African-American teen Michael Brown by a white police officer on August 9.

Ed Magee, a spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch, told the Associated Press that authorities aim to start presenting the case Wednesday, the grand jury’s regular meeting date.

http://on.msnbc.com/1n2Ggoz #Ferguson


. . . I know . . .right? Yesterday people. Should have begun long ago.

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A grand jury may start hearing evidence Wednesday on Michael Brown killing (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2014 OP
Yah, well, With McCulloch on the job, I predict a "no bill" ruling. MineralMan Aug 2014 #1
YES - from what I've read, he is clearly biased. The state AG, or whomever has the power, should kath Aug 2014 #4
The state should appoint a special prosecutor and take this MineralMan Aug 2014 #6
Got a link? pintobean Aug 2014 #17
Well he sure didn't hold back about how he felt with the swap in authority. Rex Aug 2014 #23
Does Nixon seem competent to you? pintobean Aug 2014 #24
I didn't know all of that. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #25
I'm sure McCulloch saw the change of command as political payback. pintobean Aug 2014 #26
Does the Ferguson PD? Seriously? Rex Aug 2014 #29
FPD hasn't been involved in the investigation pintobean Aug 2014 #30
Really? You didn't know Ferguson City PD started all this? Rex Aug 2014 #31
This conversation was about the county prosecutor. pintobean Aug 2014 #32
Okay well that's not true at all. Rex Aug 2014 #33
I know the history. pintobean Aug 2014 #34
He's a liberal Democrat and a very fair man. agbdf Aug 2014 #13
Says who? MineralMan Aug 2014 #15
Says me. pintobean Aug 2014 #18
Read here. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #22
Wow. Shades of Abu Ghraib and I love the role of females... Anansi1171 Aug 2014 #28
Bullshit. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #19
The Justice Department will also be looking over his shoulder agbdf Aug 2014 #16
I fear that you are right Gothmog Aug 2014 #21
They are rushing this d_r Aug 2014 #2
DA may not be planning to have witnesses testify to Grand Jury. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #3
Ya, but they should interview ALL witnesses so they have evidence for the grand jury Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #5
You're assuming he'll present a legitimate case to Grand Jury... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #12
McCulloch's father was a cop killed in the line of duty. McCulloch ought to recuse himself VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #8
yes exactly nt d_r Aug 2014 #9
I'd bet the authorities have already taken statements by most all witnesses seveneyes Aug 2014 #11
No. Several eyewitnesses to the shooting have not been interviewed by police or DAs office. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #14
Is there a real lawyer, or judge around... TreasonousBastard Aug 2014 #7
My understanding.... Avalux Aug 2014 #20
If McCulloch is allowed to prosecute this case the officer will walk LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #10
There is NO confidence onecaliberal Aug 2014 #27

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
1. Yah, well, With McCulloch on the job, I predict a "no bill" ruling.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:00 PM
Aug 2014

He doesn't seem particularly unbiased in this matter, to say the least.

kath

(10,565 posts)
4. YES - from what I've read, he is clearly biased. The state AG, or whomever has the power, should
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:06 PM
Aug 2014

Take him off the case.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
6. The state should appoint a special prosecutor and take this
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:08 PM
Aug 2014

man off the job. He's expressed his bias in public.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
17. Got a link?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:34 PM
Aug 2014

Being pissed at our idiot governor for throwing County Police under the bus is not showing any bias.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
23. Well he sure didn't hold back about how he felt with the swap in authority.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:47 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mcculloch-blasts-nixon-for-replacing-st-louis-county-police-control/article_0806541b-ed48-5d06-9267-323531ad6cf1.html

“It's shameful what he did today, he had no legal authority to do that," McCulloch said. "To denigrate the men and women of the county police department is shameful."

“For Nixon to never talk to the commanders in the field and come in here and take this action is disgraceful," McCulloch said.

"I hope I'm wrong, but I think what Nixon did may put a lot of people in danger."

Dunno...but does that sound like an impartial person to you?
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
24. Does Nixon seem competent to you?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:08 PM
Aug 2014

Most people don't know the politics at play here. McCulloch just helped a county councilman clobber County Executive Dooley in the primary earlier this month. Dooley, Clay and Nixon are pissed about it and they're trashing the County because of it. Their own county. The guys their own constituents voted for overwhelmingly. They're all Democrats.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
26. I'm sure McCulloch saw the change of command as political payback.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:24 PM
Aug 2014

I think it was, and it's disgusting to play politics with this situation.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. Does the Ferguson PD? Seriously?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:05 PM
Aug 2014

You tell me what you think about the Ferguson PD and NO I was wondering WTF Nixon was when all this starting going on. Of course I asked that the POTUS maybe say something about it and got my ass chewed off.

I am now wondering about the St. Louis PD, I DO however have faith in the FBI.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
30. FPD hasn't been involved in the investigation
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:11 PM
Aug 2014

or the crowd control - at all. Why did you ask about them?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. Okay well that's not true at all.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:19 PM
Aug 2014

But it is to you so that is okay. You must not know the history of the prosecutor. All of it goes together...funny concept I grant you.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
34. I know the history.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:31 PM
Aug 2014

I've lived in this area for over 50 years. McCulloch has been prosecutor since 91. He's trusted and well liked. He wins his elections in landslides. Nixon, Clay, and Dooley might fool you, but the people here know better.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
19. Bullshit.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:39 PM
Aug 2014

He refused to prosecute 4 FPD cops who severely beat Henry Davis in 2009, and jailed him on the trumped of charge of bleeding on their uniforms. Then upon being deposed under oath in the civil suit, the cops denied beating Davis or that he even bled. Hospital records prove they used excessive force and comitted perjury. McCullough covered it up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726727/Ferguson-police-mistakenly-arrested-innocent-man-viciously-beating-charging-bleeding-THEIR-uniforms.html

 

agbdf

(200 posts)
16. The Justice Department will also be looking over his shoulder
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:32 PM
Aug 2014

If the facts show Officer Wilson was wrong, there will be a prosecution whether it's at the state or federal level.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. DA may not be planning to have witnesses testify to Grand Jury.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:06 PM
Aug 2014

He very well might only present evidence favorable to Wilson. He has never prosecuted police wrong-doing in the past, despite plenty of evidence... so I doubt hes going to put any effort into prosecuting Wilson. This will just be a white-wash (play on words intended).

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. Ya, but they should interview ALL witnesses so they have evidence for the grand jury
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:07 PM
Aug 2014

The witnesses don't have to testify.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. You're assuming he'll present a legitimate case to Grand Jury...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:28 PM
Aug 2014

... when past actions indicate he'll do anything but. This will be an orchestrated WHITE-wash, presenting only evidence to justify the killing.
If Obama and Holder don't want to see more protests and police riots, Holder better send some DOJ attorneys to St Louis Co to watch over McCulloughs shoulder closely, and see that justice is served. Theres a long history of civil rights violations going on there.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
8. McCulloch's father was a cop killed in the line of duty. McCulloch ought to recuse himself
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:11 PM
Aug 2014

and his office to avoid even the appearance of bias.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
11. I'd bet the authorities have already taken statements by most all witnesses
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:14 PM
Aug 2014

That step is taken early on in an investigation.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
14. No. Several eyewitnesses to the shooting have not been interviewed by police or DAs office.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

Thats been one of the main complaints by the community.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Is there a real lawyer, or judge around...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:09 PM
Aug 2014

familiar with Missouri grand jury procedures?

How long does it normally take to empanel one, or present evidence to it?

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
20. My understanding....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:42 PM
Aug 2014

if St. Louis Country declines to prosecute Wilson, then the state has the right to intervene and do it. If they don't, then the feds can do it, but as a civil rights violation. They can't charge Wilson with murder or manslaughter.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
10. If McCulloch is allowed to prosecute this case the officer will walk
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:13 PM
Aug 2014

He has already expressed public sympathy for the Ferguson PD.

To wit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025403480

onecaliberal

(32,894 posts)
27. There is NO confidence
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:43 PM
Aug 2014

In this prosecutor. He will present his version of evidence. it is interesting to note that McCullogh has evidence to show a Grand Jury but the parents haven't been told anything. They had to get an independent ME just to find out how many times their child was shot.

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