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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:05 AM Apr 2012

For balance, who are the superior contemporary painters?

Having read a lot of Kinkade threads, they lack for context. Granting that Kinkade was not the best painter of the 21st century, what contemporary work is better? (Works done since, say, 1990 and limited to painting)

This is not a contentious question. This is a curious question... offered to learn something. There has been an uncommon lot of discussion of artistic merit here of late, but it is hard to talk about merit without comparison.

Please include pictures!

I'll start. I like Wayne Thiebaud, landscape painter and America's foremost expressionist painter of cakes. He was born in 1920 but is still working in the 21st century. He even did a New Yorker cover in the last few years.

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For balance, who are the superior contemporary painters? (Original Post) cthulu2016 Apr 2012 OP
I love Jack Vettriano. YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #1
Vettriano is very good... ananda Apr 2012 #7
Octavio Ocampo ananda Apr 2012 #87
The bottom picture is the picture we used as my wedding guestbook. hughee99 Apr 2012 #86
Lines and colors pscot Apr 2012 #2
That site also has drmeow Apr 2012 #59
Renata Palubinskas Octafish Apr 2012 #3
That is the first grouchy hedgehog I've ever seen! hedgehog Apr 2012 #30
She really appreciates hedgehogs, hedgehog. Octafish Apr 2012 #70
Is that a hedgehog flamingdem Apr 2012 #64
A hedgehog as allegory for humanity, perhaps? Octafish Apr 2012 #72
There have been and are so many wonderful artists Mimosa Apr 2012 #4
Jonathan Green is cool. EFerrari Apr 2012 #8
love the colors in that one lame54 Apr 2012 #37
Beautiful. Thank you for posting that. yardwork Apr 2012 #44
James Gurney is an interesting comparison cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #5
oh i haven't thought of dinotopia in years (thanks for telling this story) pitohui Apr 2012 #26
I thought the design of Star Wars 1 was stolen from Dinotopia, hedgehog Apr 2012 #32
Lots of borrowing from common sources cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #34
I'll probably never get around to knowing anything about contemporary art EFerrari Apr 2012 #6
Loooove Diebenkorn! progressoid Apr 2012 #61
So beautiful flamingdem Apr 2012 #66
The first time I saw his work, I flipped like a doo-wop girl EFerrari Apr 2012 #76
fyi RC Gorman was a pedophile rusty fender Apr 2012 #85
For the purposes of comparing to Kinkade edhopper Apr 2012 #9
I'm reminded of Andrew and Jamie Wyeth Mimosa Apr 2012 #11
Yes edhopper Apr 2012 #31
Great paintings, especially the last 2. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #65
Robert Armstrong Brother Buzz Apr 2012 #10
I love this thread! ananda Apr 2012 #12
mark ryden frylock Apr 2012 #13
Leonora Carrington, surrealist Mimosa Apr 2012 #15
Check out Michael Deas Mimosa Apr 2012 #14
David Jones Voice for Peace Apr 2012 #16
Fernando Botero Jankyn Apr 2012 #17
a picture cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #20
Hmm ananda Apr 2012 #18
oh, i just love gerhard richter!!! still working at 80, he's amazing pitohui Apr 2012 #19
a couple of links, one photo realist, one abstract pitohui Apr 2012 #21
richter girl cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #22
thanks!!! pitohui Apr 2012 #23
That's the man Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #45
Kinkade might have been a good artist, but his famous works are mostly Cleita Apr 2012 #24
So many. Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #25
bookmarked JitterbugPerfume Apr 2012 #27
Rockwell MrScorpio Apr 2012 #28
Yes, very much so cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #29
Rockwell had his very serious work and his work he did hedgehog Apr 2012 #33
Michael Whelan. Science Fiction & Fantasy artist. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #35
I really want to make the point that MANY of us, including myself, who were so harsh on... Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #36
Here are four comic book artists who can paint circles around Kinkade MrScorpio Apr 2012 #38
Steve Rude emulates Andrew Loomis cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #39
How about this guy? MrScorpio Apr 2012 #40
Hey, that's pretty good. bluesbassman Apr 2012 #55
Nope, I'm a comics guy all the way MrScorpio Apr 2012 #56
That's some really good stuff. Never knew you did this. bluesbassman Apr 2012 #57
Daniel Sprick--for those who like representational paintings, he is supernatural, IMO librechik Apr 2012 #41
I like Shonto Begay fishwax Apr 2012 #42
Banksy n2doc Apr 2012 #43
+1M librechik Apr 2012 #52
+2m Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #71
I like figurative work, myself Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #46
Considering my DU audience, maybe this is a better example Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #47
Are you serious? That guy is a plagiarist hack. Mimosa Apr 2012 #62
And Andy Warhol stole the Campbell's Soup design. Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #69
oh yeah, he's a rebel... HiPointDem Apr 2012 #74
You seem very angry about him Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #75
ooh, edits! suspicious! nice deflection from your hero's thieving to personal remarks about me. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #79
Leffel's instructional books are quite useful cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #60
You might like this. progressoid Apr 2012 #63
Chuck Close discopants Apr 2012 #48
+100! n/t librechik Apr 2012 #53
And, of course, Courtesy Flush Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #49
Here's my Pinterest page Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #50
how about george bush's relation norton bush? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #51
Cy Twombly who died last July. Here are Ah the Peonies and the new ceiling at the Louvre. CTyankee Apr 2012 #54
Twombly kwassa Apr 2012 #83
Aaron Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #58
I prefer visionary art, mostly, and some pin-up. kentauros Apr 2012 #67
Yoshitaka Amano Odin2005 Apr 2012 #68
Amano has a nice hand cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #77
This artist works in a Hudson River tradition edhopper Apr 2012 #73
OMG, that looks almost real!!! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #78
Yes edhopper Apr 2012 #84
Enrique Casto-Cid mia Apr 2012 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author janx Apr 2012 #81
Anselm Kiefer, Julian Schnabel, Jean-Michel Basquiat kwassa Apr 2012 #82

ananda

(28,874 posts)
87. Octavio Ocampo
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 09:32 AM
Apr 2012

Ocampo's amazing illusion paintings really grab me. The first day of my last year's job with a psychiatrist I saw what I thought was an original painting of Don Quixote and the windmill on her wall. I was just mesmerized by it and found myself looking for all the illusions, while at the same time totally appreciating the art of it. Check out these sites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavio_Ocampo

http://www.slideshare.net/pacific2000/illusion-paintings-octavio-ocampo-presentation

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
86. The bottom picture is the picture we used as my wedding guestbook.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:59 PM
Apr 2012

Rather than doing a regular guestbook, we got a large print of this and had the guests sign it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
70. She really appreciates hedgehogs, hedgehog.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:32 AM
Apr 2012
Desecration



A Sense of Wonder... a Delving Curiosity...

by G. Jurek Polanski

EXCERPT...

"Desecration" (1999) is exemplary; and a particularly arresting piece. At center left a chimera -- bird-winged, animal and man -- urinates, -- whizzes-- onto what strongly recalls the Tree of Life so central to centuries of Christian emblemata. Popular legend has it that hedgehogs use their back spines as a larder, for storing and carrying food. In "Desecration" the hedgehog retreats from beneath the tree, a captured apple on its back, and offers rebellious protest. The composition allows at least two distinct readings: either the desecration is malice toward the benefit the tree affords the hedgehog, or the hedgehog, with a parting hiss, bears away a token rescued in the course of the act. The work offers a universal, a primal impulse, but 'universal' does not imply an absence of ambiguity. Palubinskas herself, in an April 1, 1999 article of the Grosse Point News, stated "I want to show how unstable and multilayered this dualistic world is."

"Desecration" plays with insight and delight upon shared and traditional imagery: the desecrator resonnates with chords from medieval carvings and illuminations, Hieronymous Bosch, perhaps even TV commercials. It takes remembrances from folklore and old wives' tales and gives them rebirth through the overtones of the philosophic and the psycholgical. Renata Palubinskas noted at the opening for this show that she believes "Desecration" will be the first in a series of related oil paintings.

CONTINUED...

http://www.artscope.net/VAREVIEWS/Palubinskas0799.shtml

PS: I don't know the artist, personally, but I knew of her work when I could almost afford a hedgehog painting -- miniatures starring the wonderful creature. Personally, I think Ms. Palubinskas is the greatest thing since Hieronymus Bosch. Our world needs more vision of worlds most cannot see.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
72. A hedgehog as allegory for humanity, perhaps?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:45 AM
Apr 2012


Playground III (Hedgehog with Apple)

Here's a good combo, one that helps me keep hope alive and my dukes up:



Rising of a New Man

(Dunno why, but the glass hat appears to be filled with pickles.)

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
4. There have been and are so many wonderful artists
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:29 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:22 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't believe good artists are superior to other good artists. They are just different.

From the 1930s and 40s I like the work of women surrealists. I've collected some works by better Haitian painters including Fritzner Alphonse and Jn Albert Bernard. Mark Andresen, formerly of New Orleans, is an artist/illustrator whose works are imaginative and original. He published a book about NOLA before Hurricane Katrina.

Back in the early 1990s I came across paintings by a then South Carolina artist named Jonathan Green. I think he lives and works in FL now.

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1405&bih=631&q=jonathan+green+paintings&gbv=2&oq=jonathan+green&aq=2&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_l=img.1.2.0l10.1992l5940l0l7853l14l14l0l3l3l0l99l943l11l11l0.llsin.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
5. James Gurney is an interesting comparison
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:32 AM
Apr 2012

Gurney went to art school with Kinkade. Both men wanted to make money. Both men thought of something people would like, and operated outside the (aesthetically absurd) contemporary fine art establishment.

Gurney invented DINOTOPIA which spawned several books, prints and a short-lived TV show. Gurney's work is essentially Alma-Tadema paintings with dinosaurs strewn about--trading on two popular things.

The thing is, Gurney is an excellent artist. I am not in love with him, but his work has apparent quality. He is an able extrapolation of the 19th academic tradition. His work is richer and more graceful and more ambitious than that of most of his (fantasy illustrator) contemporaries.

It's not about what some real or imagined critical establishment thinks. Gurney is a better artist than Kinkade even by the most traditional standard.

http://www.delart.org/exhibitions/dinotopia.html

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
26. oh i haven't thought of dinotopia in years (thanks for telling this story)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Apr 2012

a bit of a gimmick but it wins on "cuteness" points

not that there's anything necessarily wrong with a gimmick, you could say warhol was ALL gimmick, and at one point i owned a dinotopia book, now what happened to it? maybe i already resold it...who knows...

my problem w. kincade is not that he wanted to make money, everyone wants to make money, my problem w. kincade is the fraud...selling prints as originals and all that sort of deceptive crap...if it was just a matter of "hey, this guy is a corny artist" i wouldn't waste my time crapping on him any more than i waste my time crapping on the "blue dog" guy

and the blue dog guy, whatever i may think of his artistic merits, is a good person trying to do good with his money, not trying to rip people off...although that big ole blue dog statue they put up is a bit much but if the tourists like it and he's trying to help the area, then his heart is in the right place

we can't all be great artists but we can be decent people even if we have a gimmick

kincade seemed to have set out from the get-go to be a fraud and to rely on an ugly brand of "i'm saved so it's ok to cheat the heathens" brand of marketing which i have encountered in other businesses (not usually art but OFTEN in real estate, contractors, etc) -- this is my objection to him

if he was just a bad artist i'd be silent but he was a bad human being

picasso can be a bad human being because he was a great artists but kincade basically had nothing going for him except to be the bernie madoff of art

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
32. I thought the design of Star Wars 1 was stolen from Dinotopia,
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:56 PM
Apr 2012

and have never understood why there wasn't a law suit over it.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
34. Lots of borrowing from common sources
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:07 PM
Apr 2012

First, I should say that I don't know that Gurney didn't do any pre-production work for that movie... he may have for all I know.

But anyway, Lucas is a big illustration collector and in particular Maxfield Parrish. The wedding of Anakin (?) and what's her name was set in an intentional copy of a parrish painting (that Lucas probably owns).

Gurney uses Maxfield Parrish elements throught Dinotopia.

Same thing with Lawrence Alma-Tadema, who Dinotopia most resembles. Lucas (and Lucas' designers) are also Alma-Tadema fans.

And so on.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
6. I'll probably never get around to knowing anything about contemporary art
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:07 PM
Apr 2012

as I'm stuck in the later 20th with the Bay Area Figuralists like Davd Park and Richard Diebenkorn, and more generally, in that moment when people working in Abstract Expressionism broke out on their own in some other direction.

David Park







Diebenkorn







I learned how to draw figures by copying R.C. Gorman's huge women with big feet.





He became a brand as did Veloy Vigil but there was a moment before that that was interestng.

Vigil





EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
76. The first time I saw his work, I flipped like a doo-wop girl
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:00 PM
Apr 2012

because the way he sees things is a lot like the way I see things. It was uncanny. I have "Sea Wall" and one of his Berkeley landscapes up in the studio and rest my eyes on them every day. lol

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
85. fyi RC Gorman was a pedophile
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:46 PM
Apr 2012

Very disappointing, but how does one evaluate his work knowing this?

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
9. For the purposes of comparing to Kinkade
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:25 PM
Apr 2012

I will pick some artist who also do landscapes, largely based on plein air work.

Richard Schmid, who I think is one of our finest living artists:

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Clyde Aspevig

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And Scott Christianson

[img][/img]

There is also John Stobart who recreates seaports of the past. But paints with a strong reality based on his field work. It is also where Kinkade copied the lighted window stuff he forces into his paintings.

[img][/img]

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
31. Yes
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:55 PM
Apr 2012

A wonderfully inventive fantasy/surrealist artist.

The Wyeth's, including NC were all fantastic artists.

ananda

(28,874 posts)
12. I love this thread!
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:40 PM
Apr 2012

Bigtime. I so need an education in contemp art.

I bookmarked this link, and I've followed some of the links provided.

I really like Jacek Yerba, for example.

THANK YOU!

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
15. Leonora Carrington, surrealist
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:05 PM
Apr 2012

This is even deeper. Leonora Carrington died last year. Her paintings make Frida Kahlo's look demure. They are smooth, strange, haunting and occult. Each painting is very different but her work is cohesive.

http://malhouette.blogspot.com/2012/02/leonora-carrington.html

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
14. Check out Michael Deas
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 12:52 PM
Apr 2012

Michael Deas is a classicist. He lived in New Orleans for a while. His paintings look stunning when viewed in person. Though you all have seen many of his images on postage stamps, the original paintings are quite large!

http://www.michaeldeas.com/TeddyRoosevelt.htm

This is breathtaking 'in person':

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
16. David Jones
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:22 PM
Apr 2012


Not all his work was brilliant but there are a few I've seen (like above)
that take your breath away. I knew David briefly in Provincetown shortly
before his death in March 2010. He had been homeless, poor, depressed,
and had AIDS for many years (but died of apparent drowning.)



The first night we met, he said "every day when I wake up, I make the
decision to live." R.I.P

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=&sa=X&ei=bGmET7zPPMO-2gXcxdnxCA&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEeb47eZ7KYEhrVJr69AHSQtWf-hg

ananda

(28,874 posts)
18. Hmm
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:24 PM
Apr 2012

These two aren't exactly contemporary, but I'm not sure they are as well known as they should be... in my mind, the two greatest painters of the 20th century... Pavel Tchelichew and Irving Norman. I saw Norman's exhibit at the Crocker in Sacramento in June 06, and it blew me away. I was so mesmerized that I didn't want to leave, so I got the book. Then not too long after, I learned about Tchelichew and was mightily impressed. Tchelichew is on exhibit at MOMA in New York. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Tchelitchew

and

http://www.irvingnorman.com/

I'm especially impressed with Norman because of his life story and his troubles with the FBI. His art includes the entire history of art also, which is one of the main reasons it so engrosses me.


On edit: I should add that Frida Kahlo is also great among the 20thc. artists. Her work inspires poetry!

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
19. oh, i just love gerhard richter!!! still working at 80, he's amazing
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:24 PM
Apr 2012

i'm going to go and see if i can pick up a link but photos are not enough, you should see his work in person, it'll knock your socks off

pitohui

(20,564 posts)
21. a couple of links, one photo realist, one abstract
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:27 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.gerhard-richter.com/art/paintings/photo_paintings/detail.php?6189
"betty" was visiting the tate modern recently, don't know if she's still there

http://www.gerhard-richter.com/art/paintings/abstracts/detail.php?4664

he has many wonderful abstracts, but they are much more impressive in person because his paintings is rather sculptural, he uses his whole body to put on heavy layers and he gouges/scrapes off layers, amazing the control of color

this guy can do anything!!!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
24. Kinkade might have been a good artist, but his famous works are mostly
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:41 PM
Apr 2012

knock-off schmaltz, greeting card stuff, which he did to be commercial. I wonder if there are any of his works, hidden in a closet. that will come to light after his death, to prove that he might have been a great artist. To be a good artist, you have to be original. I think most people, if they took just one elementary art appreciation or art history course in a community college night school class, would get the difference.

I like that cake painting, but I wouldn't hang it on my living room wall because I would be 300 pounds easily within the year. There are many paintings I consider quality art though that I wouldn't hang on my living room wall for various reasons like that. So perhaps I can see why Kincade's fantasy landscapes would be appealing to many people. There is something comforting about them.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
25. So many.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:44 PM
Apr 2012

Jos Sances



I own a print of this signed by the artist.

He also has a "Kinkade" series, which I'd not known before.



Arthur Gonzalez (a teacher of mine)





William T Wiley







hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
33. Rockwell had his very serious work and his work he did
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 01:59 PM
Apr 2012

to keep food on the table. He also had a wicked sense of humor!

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
36. I really want to make the point that MANY of us, including myself, who were so harsh on...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:14 PM
Apr 2012

...Kinkade, were that way not necessarily because the subjects of his painting were often thoughtless and commercial but because he was a real villian, having used his Christian faith to lure thousands of investors into sinking money they didn't necessarily have to spare on what they believed was essentially a Christian-centric art empire.

All of that was a load of crap. Many people lost their shirts. Several of them sued for his deceptive business practices and won multi-million dollar judgements against him.

Criticism of Thomas Kinkade begins with his art, but the real ugly with that guy had to do with his evil business practices.

That's key in any discussion of Kinkade.

PB

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
38. Here are four comic book artists who can paint circles around Kinkade
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:22 PM
Apr 2012

Steve Rude



Adam Hughes



Alex Ross



Mike Kaluta

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
39. Steve Rude emulates Andrew Loomis
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 02:31 PM
Apr 2012

He just absorbed all of Loomis's old books. Very old-school.

Hughes is quite good, and Kaluta too. (Though i'm predjudiced to his older stuff)

Never liked Ross, myself, but I know many disagree.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
46. I like figurative work, myself
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:20 PM
Apr 2012

Takahiro Hara


Daniel Sprick


Charles Dwyer


Maya Kulenovic


Steven Assael


Mark Dempsteader


Lucong


Steven Mackey


Richard Schmid


David Leffel


Odd Nerdrum


Michael Hussar


Shepard Fairey


John Asaro

Mimosa

(9,131 posts)
62. Are you serious? That guy is a plagiarist hack.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:45 PM
Apr 2012

Google Shpehard Fairey and plagiarism.

His stuff is not 'art'.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
69. And Andy Warhol stole the Campbell's Soup design.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:37 AM
Apr 2012

Breaking rules isn't what defines a hack. Hacks are more likely to adhere rigidly to them.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
74. oh yeah, he's a rebel...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 02:42 PM
Apr 2012

In 2006 Fairey printed a near exact copy of an already existing skull and crossbones artwork he found, altering the original design only by adding the words "OBEY: Defiant Since '89" along with a small star bearing the face of Andre the Giant. The image was reproduced as a T-shirt and added to Fairey’s OBEY fashion line.

As luck would have it, Wal-Mart plagiarized the master plagiarist, copying and printing Fairey’s rip-off and adding it to the superstore’s own fashion line. A shopper at Wal-Mart recognized the skull motif’s origin and angrily protested - as it was an exact duplication of the infamous logo belonging to the Gestapo, the Nazi "secret state police" that served as personal bodyguards to Adolf Hitler and administered the concentration camps where the genocide of the Jewish people was put into practice.

Unsurprisingly Wal-Mart’s T-shirts became a nationwide controversy, with legions of infuriated citizens insisting the superstore apologize and pull the offensive items from their shelves - a demand that was ultimately met. Eventually it came to light that Shepard Fairey was first responsible for manufacturing and selling the T-shirt, and when confronted by the website, consumerist.com, Fairey offered the following excuse: "When I made that graphic I was referencing a biker logo and it was only brought up to me later that it was the SS skull." First, Fairey openly admits to directly copying an image created by someone else (he calls this "referencing&quot , and then feigns innocence when faced with the odious background of the original Nazi designers. In the same set of remarks made to consumerist.com, Fairey insists that he is "anti-fascist and pro-peace", but what kind of anti-fascist does not recognize the symbols used by the Nazi regime? Fairey’s only defense here is full-blown ignorance - hardly an attribute expected in artists supposedly dedicated to social commentary.

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm


A poster by the great artist Fairey:



A poster by Solomon Moser 1901:




"Needless to say, there was no credit given to the original artist, Koloman Moser."

"a tracing so precise that when the two versions are put together and held up to the light - all lines match perfectly."


If you think Shephard is just a "rule-breaker" then you shouldn't have any problems with Kinkade either. Two peas in a pod.

Except that Kinkade actually had drawing and painting skills.

And warhol, much as i despise him, didn't "steal" anything. He painted a picture of a well-known consumer product. It was because the can's design was so well-known that there was no question of "stealing" any design.

And again, Warhol could actually draw and paint.

Shephard literally TRACES obscure artwork by other artists and passes it off as his own.

A thief, a hack, a money-grubber.

He steals art, particularly leftist art, attaches his (stolen) giant logo & some stupid saying, and sells it as part of his clothing line. Radical.

Not content with stealing original artworks from Rene Mederos, Fairey also filched art from another celebrated Cuban poster maker, Félix Beltrán. A well-known street poster by Fairey depicting the celebrated 1960’s radical, Angela Davis, is in fact a near-exact copy of a famous silkscreen print by Beltrán.

Lincoln Cushing identified Fairey’s poster as a copy of Libertad para Angela Davis (Freedom for Angela Davis), created by Beltrán in 1971. Fairey gave no credit or recognition to the Cuban artist, who is very much alive and residing in Mexico. In addition, this particular theft of an existing artwork of Angela Davis begs the question, does Fairey mean to mock or praise leftist icons?

"One important thing to acknowledge is that Fairey is not just appropriating, but also copyrighting images that exist in our common history.... Fairey is attempting to personally capitalize on the generosity of others and privatize and enclose the visual commons (as seen by the prominent copyright symbols on his website and products)."


"I think that the art experience is to raise someone's consciousness, and at the end of the day the Shepard Fairey experience is to promote the brand of Shepard Fairey as a corporate entity, so I don't consider it art. He is about the furthest thing from art there is."

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
75. You seem very angry about him
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:27 PM
Apr 2012

I wonder if KinKade ever stirred up so much passion (and so many edits) from anyone.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
79. ooh, edits! suspicious! nice deflection from your hero's thieving to personal remarks about me.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:44 PM
Apr 2012

there are so many edits because your hero's crimes are so numerous i kept finding more to add to the list.

he not only traces other people's work without attribution, he tries to copyright it as his own and sell it in his "clothing line".

his work is the equivalent of stealing someone's car, tying a box on it, and selling it as his own.

crooks are 'rule-breakers' too and they're still crooks.

ooh, edit!

discopants

(535 posts)
48. Chuck Close
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:23 PM
Apr 2012

Throughout Chuck Close's career he has blurred the lines between abstraction and hyper realism

[IMG][/IMG]

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
49. And, of course, Courtesy Flush
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:28 PM
Apr 2012

Here's a picture of me at the easel with a painting I did this year. It now has a frame made of wooden yardsticks.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
50. Here's my Pinterest page
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:31 PM
Apr 2012
http://pinterest.com/jefuchs/art/

I'm kind of new to Pinterest, and I hope more art lovers jump onboard. It's great for art bookmarking. Not just wedding ideas.

Edit: This is not to promote myself. Just where I bookmark other artists I enjoy.
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
51. how about george bush's relation norton bush?
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:39 PM
Apr 2012


http://www.sierranevadachronicles.org/pictures/pics/Norton%20Bush.htm

but seriously, i'm going to make the argument that all such elevations of one "artist" above another are class-bound and that the very category of "artist," along with all the notions attached to it (e.g. real artists break new ground; "suffering artist," real artists don't do "trite," etc) is a creation of capital (v. the category of "craftperson&quot .


Art collectors – let’s face it – they are art investors. People who are interested in making art they purchase and invest in appreciate in value – and then the museums, of course, help that. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize it’s a pretty corrupt system. It would not be tolerated in any other form of commerce. The idea that art collectors (mostly white males) are deciding what museums collect, and what becomes part of our art history, is not populist at all. It’s really letting power determine what our history is.

http://artinfo.com/news/story/797387/guerrilla-girl-talk-the-masked-art-radicals-on-their-new-research-the-art-market-and-occupy-wall-street

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
54. Cy Twombly who died last July. Here are Ah the Peonies and the new ceiling at the Louvre.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:50 PM
Apr 2012

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He is the only American that has had a ceiling commissioned by the Louvre.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
67. I prefer visionary art, mostly, and some pin-up.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:06 PM
Apr 2012

So, I'd recommend Mahmoud Farschian (he's Persian)




Kagaya (Japanese)




Alex Grey




Olivia de Berardinis

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
73. This artist works in a Hudson River tradition
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
Apr 2012

and gets it right, as opposed to Kinkade.

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edhopper

(33,606 posts)
84. Yes
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:35 AM
Apr 2012

but I think a large part of that is that the artist is painting the light as it is, everything consistent with the time of day and direction of the light.
This is a good example where Kinkade's work is bad art. He throws everything into the painting.
Look at this painting:
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Is it sunset, midday, evening, morning? The sun is behind the trees, off to the right and it is also dark enough for the glow in the widows from lamps. No truth in this painting.

mia

(8,361 posts)
80. Enrique Casto-Cid
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 10:18 PM
Apr 2012

I met him when he lived in Miami in 1979-80. He was an inspirational artist and way ahead of his time.

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kwassa

(23,340 posts)
82. Anselm Kiefer, Julian Schnabel, Jean-Michel Basquiat
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 11:00 PM
Apr 2012

Anselm Kiefer





Julian Schnabel



Jean-Michel Basquiat

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