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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:47 PM Aug 2014

Ethnic and voting pattern maps of Ukraine combined with recent history. Cartographic heavy.

Combine with the recent coup leading to the current junta of oligarchs and neo-fascists explains why those in the east of Ukraine want nothing to do with those that detest them and now are killing them.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=480









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And even more maps for cartographic lovers only:



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Notice how Ukraine rapidly separated in voting patterns from 2000 to now, paralleling an ethnic divide that was not present before.

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Ethnic and voting pattern maps of Ukraine combined with recent history. Cartographic heavy. (Original Post) Fred Sanders Aug 2014 OP
So basically, things didn't go their way in the voting Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #1
Sort of, if you threw in a coup and forcible seizure of power. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
Like the 2000 election? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #3
Did that happen this morning? Igel Aug 2014 #4

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. So basically, things didn't go their way in the voting
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:54 PM
Aug 2014

and they're happy to be annexed by Russia.

Sorta like if a lot of our southwest suddenly got tired of Republicans treating them like crap and decided they wanted to reunite with Mexico, and take all the land with them.

That at least explains why what's going on is going on.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. Like the 2000 election?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 10:11 PM
Aug 2014

When the government was handed over to Republicans by the Republican SCOTUS?

Our 'leaders' are more slick than those in Ukraine. They do their subversion of the will of the people via gerrymandering and disenfranchisement most of the time.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
4. Did that happen this morning?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:46 AM
Aug 2014

Or are we reliving some work of fiction for the umpteen millionth time?

The problem in this are some assumptions that are made. The assumptions are just plain wrong, and there are good data that show those are wrong. If you only see some of the data, the data you like, you've already decided on your answer.

This is considered best practice in education, and it's okay in some social sciences. It's wonderful in politics and in discussing over shots of vodka the true causes of colony collapse disorder, autism, the details of GMO arugula, Area 51, and other such burning issues of the day. The more narrow the blinders, the more excellent the analysis. But in things that are usually considered science, this is considered horrible research and, well, delusional fantasy.

One can utter only truth and yet speak only lies. But for that, you need to know what's left out.

Far more often people utter truth and yet speak only falsehoods--the difference being that they don't know that their intended inferences are in error.

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