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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:47 AM Aug 2014

Latest Plan to Privatize Post Office Hits Unexpected Obstacle


http://www.nationofchange.org/latest-plan-privatize-post-office-hits-unexpected-obstacle-1407948154

American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten responded. “Who does Staples really want and need to come into its stores every single day? Teachers. The best way we can help is if we say to Staples: ‘You do this to the postal workers, and we aren’t buying supplies in your stores.’”

School supplies are a key market for Staples, accounting for up to one-third of its sales. Last year teachers spent about $1.6 billion of their own money on school supplies. Back-to-school supply-buying gets going in earnest in late July.

On July 14th Staples announced it had withdrawn from the Retail Partner Expansion Program.

The celebrations have been muted. Postal service management hasn’t thrown in the towel. It’s simply changed the name of the program. As one USPS spokesperson explained, "We look forward to continuing the partnership whether it’s called Retail Partner Expansion or approved shipper." The USPS wants to establish a beachhead in thousands of retail stores. Once a postal counter staffed by low paid non union non postal service employees begins to sell services it will be easy to expand the kinds of services it offers.

But Staples announcement and USPS’ obfuscation demonstrates that retail stores are vulnerable to boycotts, especially those organized by people in the communities they serve. Teachers, firefighters, government workers, service employees live in significant numbers in every community. They can form the backbone of an effort that puts big box retailers and USPS management on notice. Hands off our post office!
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Latest Plan to Privatize Post Office Hits Unexpected Obstacle (Original Post) eridani Aug 2014 OP
Fook Staples, Save our USPS and support teachers, firefighters, et al, because you're next. nt NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #1
^^^THIS^^^ freshwest Aug 2014 #4
+1 Scuba Aug 2014 #15
Gee - I remember when the local KT2000 Aug 2014 #2
Security may be the best way to get people and Ilsa Aug 2014 #28
I don't think the "government is more secure" argument is going anywhere. Psephos Aug 2014 #35
the postal workers KT2000 Aug 2014 #36
I do hear you, but that ship has sailed. Psephos Aug 2014 #37
true enough KT2000 Sep 2014 #41
Agreed. The good fight is worth fighting. Psephos Sep 2014 #42
But all those teachers are bad and they shouldn't have tenure! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #3
I have not been to Staples in four years. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #5
Thanks for mentioning that. murielm99 Aug 2014 #7
You're welcome. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #8
Thank you for saying that gopiscrap Aug 2014 #19
For as long as I can remember, and before that, the Postal Service DesertFaux Aug 2014 #6
USPS major employer of vets, minorities, women i.e.Democrats Plus now billions in pension to loot. stuffmatters Aug 2014 #9
Yeah, I think Sen. Sanders said they Ilsa Aug 2014 #27
I'm in agreement JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #11
K&R.... daleanime Aug 2014 #10
And as with the Market Basket win shows us, boycotts work! canoeist52 Aug 2014 #12
You can privatize my Constitutionally mandated postal service demwing Aug 2014 #13
Good. Laelth Aug 2014 #14
Kill the post office and kill one of the most powerful unions in America. alfredo Aug 2014 #29
Hear, hear! Laelth Aug 2014 #30
This is the long term strategy to defund the Democrats. alfredo Aug 2014 #31
Solidarity! RedCappedBandit Aug 2014 #16
Isn't the Constitution another major obstacle? malaise Aug 2014 #17
No more of their crap! lonestarnot Aug 2014 #18
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the Democratic Party that supports unions? Octafish Aug 2014 #20
apparently if you get enough Dems to pass a "GOP policy" you can keep 100% of the blame on the GOP MisterP Aug 2014 #22
THAT makes sense. Octafish Aug 2014 #26
I'm proud to say I have never been in a Staples. DamnYankeeInHouston Aug 2014 #21
I know Vicki Kennedy has been nominated to the Board of Governors sketchy Aug 2014 #23
Here's more from Postal Reporter sketchy Aug 2014 #24
kick sketchy Aug 2014 #25
K&R for USPS and for you, eridani. You're one of DU's best! suffragette Aug 2014 #32
K&R sketchy Aug 2014 #33
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #34
A local Rebl Aug 2014 #38
I'm visiting coastal Oregon, where there is a contract station in many small towns eridani Aug 2014 #39
There is something else about all this that bothers me. murielm99 Aug 2014 #40

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
2. Gee - I remember when the local
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:37 AM
Aug 2014

video chain went out of business the young, low paid personnel just threw everyone's credit info in a dumpster that was overflowing. Documents showing credit card numbers and identification info were blowing all over the parking lot.
Since when does the management edict of lowest costs possible fit into the legal requirements of postal workers. Do they really want us to hand over the sensitive job of the post office to low paid/no benefit employees? Mail is a bit more important than a hamburger order and they will not be held liable for their screw-ups.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
28. Security may be the best way to get people and
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:36 PM
Aug 2014

Politicians worked up about this issue. Tell them their personal information, personal business, healthcare information, everything is at stake by having an "expendable" workforce vs career employees handle the mail.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
35. I don't think the "government is more secure" argument is going anywhere.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:21 PM
Aug 2014

I like the USPS.

I don't like the way government botches security and I.T. endlessly.

And I really don't like the way the government ignores the Constitution and spies on us all 24/7.

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
36. the postal workers
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:59 PM
Aug 2014

I deal with take their jobs very seriously. There are also laws that will get them thrown in jail if they break those laws. At one time I worked for the Census Bureau and there are laws restricting those workers as well. That is taken very seriously as the worker could face jail time and the upper management would also be in trouble.

I do think you would see a difference if those jobs were turned over to retailers who tend to hire young, inexperienced workers. I think that a private business, especially one owned by an equity firm, would shortchange security for profits. They are also known to tell their employees to lie. In fact business schools do not put much weight on honesty.
And who do you think is selling your information, such as pharmacists who fill your prescriptions, to other private businesses?
The USPS is not the same as the NSA - at least not yet.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
37. I do hear you, but that ship has sailed.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:05 PM
Aug 2014

I don't see much difference anymore between the corrupt government and corrupt big business. They both increasingly exist to service the other. Both have fearsome tools to fuck with anyone they please.

By the way, that in a nutshell is the definition of actual fascism - a merging of government and big business motives, behaviors, and practices for their mutual benefit.

As an example, consider how many tens of billions of dollars of lost business for Silicon Valley firms the NSA revelations have cost. I see the postal workers in the same light - once government trust has been run through the shredder, they're along for the same ride.

If the USPS isn't NSA "yet," it's not hard to see how it's just a matter of time. The data they collect is quite juicy and is certainly already compromised and stolen by "our" government anyway.

No, I don't think Staples or someone else would do better. I personally hate the idea of going to the "Post Office" in some strip mall store, anyway.

I don't have any top-down solutions - not that I trust top-down much. To me, the real answer is for each of us to become aware of the way insecure, sloppy, and often malevolent practices are turning all our private information into tools for those with power over us (financial or governmental) to increase it.

And then once we're awake to the reality under the surface, we can start using some of this tech and knowledge ourselves to push back and re-establish our Constitutionally-guaranteed privacy. No one is going to do it for us, certainly not the criminals who think recording everyone's phone calls, text messages, gps locations, and emails is their prerogative.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
3. But all those teachers are bad and they shouldn't have tenure!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:37 AM
Aug 2014

I read it right here on DU.

And yet,

Last year teachers spent about $1.6 billion of their own money on school supplies.


If you care about your children, support their teachers!

TexasTowelie

(112,251 posts)
5. I have not been to Staples in four years.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:02 AM
Aug 2014

Now that I know of Romney's association with the store I don't ever intend to back.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
7. Thanks for mentioning that.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:23 AM
Aug 2014

I did not know. I just Googled it.

I don't have a lot of choices where I live. But I guess I can look for some place that is not Staples.

TexasTowelie

(112,251 posts)
8. You're welcome.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:31 AM
Aug 2014

There is no way in hell that I would let an ass like Mitt benefit from the few pennies that I scrape together.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
19. Thank you for saying that
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:33 PM
Aug 2014

you beat me to it! That's reason enough to not shop there. Add that it is trying to break the Post Office and unions makes it even more important to have a national boycott.

 

DesertFaux

(15 posts)
6. For as long as I can remember, and before that, the Postal Service
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:06 AM
Aug 2014

has been sterling, golden, never ever lost anything, never been late. Using this service to gain 'political' benefit is playing with fire. Republicans are tip-toeing over red hot embers, when they should be running. These dense near-do-wels will find many willing to expose them and more of what they do for their profit. Using goverment to serve their interests will backfire. Let's make a point to thank these really hard workers, who expose themselves to heat , cold , rain, dogs, weirdos, and now politicians (weirdos), trying to score points.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
9. USPS major employer of vets, minorities, women i.e.Democrats Plus now billions in pension to loot.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:44 AM
Aug 2014

It's even more corrupt, diabolical a plot than it seems. ALEC's piece de resistance plus hundreds of billions of that 75 years of pension (pre) funding for Wall Street (Staples/Bain?) to pump & dump.



Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
27. Yeah, I think Sen. Sanders said they
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:32 PM
Aug 2014

are up to around $40B in pre-funded retirement costs. The Wall Street and billionaire thieves (like Rmoney) want to steal veterans', etc pensions and healthcare monies.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
11. I'm in agreement
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:18 AM
Aug 2014

And along with Customs - one of the first institutions set up in our country's early years.

These IndieTeaPublicans that scream bloody murder about what "the founding fathers intended" have no clue about their desire to collect tariffs/taxes and a way to transport information/payments.

Customs and Border and the Post Office should always serve at the pleasure of the American people. Not private businesses and not Wall Street - we the people who count on the original federal police force and information highway must ensure they remain neutral third parties.

I'm thinking - in this age of social engineering and identity theft (I touch these every day in my work) and their impact on national security - removing the Post Office as a Federal entity -

What does that do when thieves use the Postal Service to transport stolen goods or engage in financial transactions. It helps to add years to their time - when we can add in Postal Service abuse.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
12. And as with the Market Basket win shows us, boycotts work!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:37 AM
Aug 2014

One of the best uses of Facebook is boycott pressure.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
13. You can privatize my Constitutionally mandated postal service
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:38 AM
Aug 2014

when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

The creation of the Postal Service predates the 1st Ammendment. Some things deserve a fight, regardless of the cost.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
29. Kill the post office and kill one of the most powerful unions in America.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:46 PM
Aug 2014

Unions are democracy in action.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the Democratic Party that supports unions?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:50 PM
Aug 2014

I seem to remember that, before 9/11 changed everything.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
22. apparently if you get enough Dems to pass a "GOP policy" you can keep 100% of the blame on the GOP
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:42 PM
Aug 2014

it's quite a disconnect

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
26. THAT makes sense.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:23 PM
Aug 2014

I always look for plausible deniability and anything ripe for extortion, what passes for journalism.

sketchy

(458 posts)
23. I know Vicki Kennedy has been nominated to the Board of Governors
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:46 PM
Aug 2014

but I think it has not yet been able to be voted on in the Senate.
Looking for more info on this now.

I know she has testified to Congress as a nominee to that Board.

http://postalemployeenetwork.com/news/2014/07/vicki-kennedy-testifies-on-capitol-hill/


Anyway, I think she would bring some much-needed sense to that Board.

sketchy

(458 posts)
24. Here's more from Postal Reporter
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:20 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.postal-reporter.com/blog/nalc-legislative-update/#more-13089

From the article:
"It was expected that the nominees would have been confirmed prior to the August recess, but objections were raised over some of the nominees, most pointedly Miller. In turn, political maneuvering seems to have placed an indefinite hold on the block of nominees. -

See more at: http://www.postal-reporter.com/blog/nalc-legislative-update/#sthash.kphC3k0q.dpuf"

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
34. Kicked and recommended!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 06:43 PM
Aug 2014

If you are a Democratic candidate for office, or an office holder, I want to hear where you stand on privatization of the USPS.

If you are asking me for a donation fucking forget it unless you tell me where you stand on privatizing education, the USPS, Chained CPI and the fucking TPP. Don't disclose this, do not expect one cent from me. I won't donate to enemies. I am sick of your two faced bullshit. Hear that DSCC?

Democrats, speak out in favor of the USPS!

Rebl

(149 posts)
38. A local
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:05 PM
Aug 2014

grocery store I shop at sells stamps and ships packages. Think that's the extent of service they offer. Our local PO hasn't suffered-always a lot of folks there. Wish they had more clerks-especially on Saturdays. I remember back in the 70's and 80's we had a drug store that had a small PO in it and it had pretty much the same service as our local PO. The lady that ran it didn't work for the postal service. It was a contract station. She was an older woman and very trustworthy. Don't think I'd be so trusting of Staples employees.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
39. I'm visiting coastal Oregon, where there is a contract station in many small towns
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:11 PM
Aug 2014

The Staples situation is very different--they are trying to replace post office workers with minimum wage workers.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
40. There is something else about all this that bothers me.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:26 PM
Aug 2014

I watched a news segment tonight about job scams. Postal inspectors were warning about a job scam. A young mother was trying to make extra money by working from home, and she was on the hook for $2,800.00 in a scam.

The postal inspectors were warning people and investigating. Staples won't do that for people!

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