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after some time the host was overturned for some unknown reason.

I asked before about that slur but you must have missed it.

So you are saying I should not be able to post my thoughts on DU?

Thank, at least you did not post a slur and you did answer my question

I think(?) I get confused easily.

someone whined and got it unlocked after that post, Let me edit it so you will not be confused anymore.

I am always glad to try and clarify things.

It would be the polite thing to do rather than take joy on my lock request being overturned.

called "ignore"

Have a great day

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.

Beyond that, isn't it great to be lectured about what other laws should be enacted, by people who can't even abide by simple forum rules?

I wanted to warn you about the gun-crazies who can quote ten million arcane (and frankly ludicrous) reasons why a certain specific weapon of mass murder isn't classified as an "assault weapon".

Until everyone agrees publicly what constitutes an assault weapon (and these self-same gun-crazies will move Heaven and Earth to ensure that that agreement never happens), no movie theater or schoolyard will be safe.

Judges kinda like definitions. And that truth is -- how does that expression controller/banners use go? -- "pure and simple."

This OP is deja vu all over again.

Quoth he:

http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm

Is .5% about the "tragedy", and 95.5% about banning "assault weapons" and reinterpretation of the 2nd amendment.

But I guess that host was overruled.

some web site wants to sell as a "big story," then bounces it to another, then another until -- voila! -- a self-fulfilling prophecy is created. I'm also concerned by the extraordinary appeals (not the first one) which become increasingly ordinary, resulting in yet another special dispensation for a rather small group of folks who distort the TOS not only of this forum, but the GCRKBA group. I realize you have a tough time in your hosting activities, but most pro-2A members abide by the intent of GD, while others keep aggressively banging on the door to get let in so that they can hurl the usual culture war epitaphs. Thank you for your response, and for allowing me to respond here.

Which makes it functionally no different than pretty much any other handgun.

A semi-automatic weapon generally can't be fired fast enough to make it climb at the muzzle like fully automatic weapons do.

Google will bring up dozens

per the video and that is what that range specialized in. Allowing civilians to shoot full auto as by law it is very hard to get to ever fire one. Stupid to allow a child to fire that type of weapon. A big gun or at least a full size rifle.

Who would give a fully automatic weapon to a little girl?

Absolutely nuts.

say it was a good thing. Every firearms owner I know agrees how stupid it was.

Boy or girl, to young for that weapon.

Absolutely crazy.

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To illustrate:

We can all comment on the toxic algal blooms/ blue green algae in Lake Erie and agree that they are 'bad' ... we can discuss limits on the use/ over use of certain " agents" leading to these toxic algal blooms.

The problem is the correct term for the species causing the problem is Cyanobacteria ... the truth is that particular distinction is pedantic and "everyone" knows what is meant by "blue-green algae" ... scientists may often use the term algal bloom because they understand the public 'knows" and understands what is meant by this.

when lay people are discussing it, it is pedantic (and irrelevant) to demand technical and/or scientific knowledge.

We can understand there is a problem and that it needs to be addressed without an engineering degree or science degree.

... unless we understand the engineering or scientific details surrounding it.

I, therefore, cannot support the legalization of cannabis ... because I do not understand the specific physiologic/ chemical changes interactions in the body?

It's almost like we have a representative form of government that cannot know every detail about everything, but can engage the services of those that do.

Common understand is great for conversation but we need specifics to create law.

For example we would all agree driving too fast is dangerous. So why do we need speed limits, instead of signs that say don't drive too fast. We have a common understanding of what it means and are likely similar but given the road and conditions one person may think too fast is 35 whereas another thinks it is 60. We define and specify what too fast is in speed limits.
Similarly we can talk of assault weapons, but to regulate we must define and specify what it is.

... that cannot know everything but that can engage the services of engineers, scientists ... etc to provide the technical back ground.

In your example a physicist (actually, any first year physics student) can calculate the actual risks in each scenario ... but we don not have to rely on that to formulate an opinion.

who did that when it comes to guns, we'd have much less heartburn.

Just checking as Connecticut kept the AWB in place for the state after the federal expiration.

I am a firm believer that we need federal legislation to address the issue ... sadly, it is all to easy to purchase fire arms in localities with lax controls and bring them into areas that have addressed gun violence through legislation.

That rifle was purchased and registered in accordance with some of the strictest gun laws in America. Let's not forget CT had a strict AWB.

Tides change, I am hoping for a sea change in the US related to guns. sometimes it happens rapidly, sometimes slowly ... but, I will do my part to push (even if it slowly) our country in the direction of strict gun control.

I realize you will do the opposite

There is no broad support for strict gun control like you want in America.

I don't get worked up over imaginary threats to my guns.

Not comparing gun ownership to HUMAN RIGHTS (because it is not even close but, I am using a human rights example0 but, a decade ago gay marriage was routinely being outlawed in states ... now many folk support ... sea change (no one really saw coming)

On DOMA and made gay marriage bans unconstitutional. Well guess what? That same court ruled on the 2A.

That is why things will not happen as you desire. Owning guns for self defense is a right protected by the Constitution.

I note I expect nothing "good' from the current Supreme Psycho's

How made decades has the right been saying that Roe was going to be soon overturned?

When you can show widespread gun control activity on the state level I will pay attention. Not before then.

how many times has an "assault weapon" been used to commit crime and murder. Vastly overshadowed by hand guns and that is not what the OP would like to talk about.

Except that those "areas that have addressed gun violence through legislation" haven't really done anything about gun violence other than "addressing" it.

Does this map indicate to you, that those places that have "addressed gun violence through legislation" have been successful in reducing it any significant way shape size or form?



http://billmoyers.com/2013/05/03/gun-violence-since-newtown/

But that's other states fault, right?

And for what its worth, the uzi in question was a fully automatic weapon, and there was no intent to assault and kill anyone.

The sandy hook rifle on the other hand, was semi-auto.

and a semi-automatic rifle was used in those murders that was by definition not an assault weapon.

You have to have a definition to know what you want banned.

Which I am sure is exactly what you intend.

next will be "Possible or future assault weapon"

"right to bear arms".

that?

The SCOTUS decision that the 2A is an individual right not connected to militia service.

On Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Get rid of assault weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025468602

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Multiple locked threads for gun issues and he even posted under ATA and was told to stop posting gun threads by Skinner.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:22 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Then the hosts need to lock it. This is not the appropriate use of the Community Standards alert - juries are for alerts that are rude, hurtful, etc.

Please alert to the hosts to have this locked, not to the jury.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Great. Nothing outside TOS on this post. Makes a legitimate point about gun laws. If in error, I'll vote on the side of democracy on this one.
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Explanation: I looked up the rule, can't post about guns in GD -
Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is an exception for news stories about guns. This is following yet another gun tragedy. we do not have to pretend we all love guns here.
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Explanation: current news about guns are allowed,also from mainstream source.

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when I see a possible issue with a host or any other person not following the SOP. Just like you said I should in your very polite post.

This one was overturned for an unknown reason. Several others have remained locked. I have never gone whining in ATA, but I do make my viewpoints known. I know you do not like that.

Nice call out of a DU member but I am grown and can take it.

I lean more toward full military specification weapons for my shooting at the range.

That op/ed was not worth the electrons it took to transmit it. There is three minutes that I am not going to get back....