in your family?

Clear throat sounds.

Bush/Cheney illegally invaded their country, stole their oil, killed and tortured and maimed their citizens, and drove over 4 million of them out of the country?

It's too late now to save those innocent lives, over one million of them. But it's not too late for US to stop interfering in the affairs of other countries on the pretext that we CARE about innocent lives.

McCain wasn't too concerned about THOSE innocent lives, was he?

His party's invasion of Iraq is the reason ISIS exists.

And I don't recall him demanding we intervene when Maliki was killing Iraqis simply for opposing, mostly peacefully at first, the brutal Maliki Govt's human rights abuses over the past several years.

We are very suspiciously 'selective' in our 'concerns' over 'innocent people.

how does not interfering help the tens of thousands being slaughtered by isis.

who were driven out of their country, tortured, maimed and murdered? I remember hearing that same 'reason' for the US invasion of Iraq. I remember being told 'you don't care about innocent Iraqis' back then.

ISIS is a direct result of the neocon policies to 'turn the ME into a parking lot'.

Let me put it this way, if a bunch of thugs go to a neighborhood and murder many of its residents, then some of those residents decide use similar brutal tactics in response. Who should go in to 'save' the innocent people in the neighborhood? The same people who invaded it in the first place?

You know we have a policy of killing what we euphemistically call 'collateral damage' and being completely unapologetic about it?

If you think that McCain, Graham and DiFi care one bit about innocent lives rather than looking for an excuse using their own creation, ISIS, to get our troops back into Iraq, where they can continue the destabilization of the ME and the huge flow of money to Defense Contractors, I could not disagree more.

And just to provide another example. Libya. Same excuses were given for 'helping' the 'rebels' there. THAT country is in a total collapse, the civilians we claimed to be there protecting, were left to their own devices once NATO secured the oil fields. And the brutality towards them since then is simply shocking.

Our record of 'helping innocents' could not be worse.

again, this is different

out of incubators.

Way more than to dupe Americans into "cheerfully giving" for the Crusade, way more than even oil. An American Base was what was wanted. Full employment and careers for men turned soldiers of the lower class. Access into the region. Convert them and take anything they had of value to lay at the feet of their Materialistic Christ. (Not my Christ)

In a word ... Empire.

for the reasons we are seeing today.

Use your own funds and supply your own personnel, most of the rest of us have seen this movie before and know how it ends. No thanks.

I don't remember the argument being that innocent tribes were being slaughtered.

and control of the ME.

Do you think we should go save the innocent people in Libya now, in Bahrain? Why AREN'T we talking about them also?

Why did we not talk about the innocent Iraqis over the past few years who were being slaughtered by our ally, Maliki, or puppet would be a better term? I know I have been following his brutal regime for several years now and wondered why there was not even a whisper about the violence he perpetrated against the people who now make up much of ISIS, the Sunni population there.

Maliki, who sold out control of his country's natural resource, OIL, when he signed over, over 80% of it to the control of Global Oil Corporations, over the objections of the Iraqi people.

Same script, for more war, more profits for Defense contractors and merc corps like Blackwater, who are probably already there actually.

What was it Bush said, 'fool me once... I won't be fooled again'. The neocons are out there still, instead of sitting in jail for the slaughter in Iraq, still pushing for more war .... we should be supporting THIS PRESIDENT'S efforts to not allow them to push HIM into their war games. Not saying 'yes' they are right'.

Stop ISIS by cutting off their funding, tell the neocons to tell their dictator friends to stop funding them.

Warmongers, one and all. Same steady beating of the war drums.

You want to fight? Go do it yourself. Pay for it yourself.

I don't think you're paying attention. thousands of innocent people are getting slaughtered.

if I take you at your word, since we left them vulnerable, I would think you would want to stop the slaughter.

unless you have a different agenda.

Who was there to save them? You keep ignoring that this is the SAME GAME being played, and the lives of innnocents meant nothing to McCain, Graham and DiFi who fully supported that crime. They are USING innnocents now, as they did back then, to get more billions of dollars for defense contractors and mercenaries companies.

What is it you think t hat the SAME PEOPLE responsible for that massive slaughter are going to do differently once they get the money they want? I already pointed out Lybia to you. 'Saving' people was the lie told to us then. ASK THE Innocents there how they were 'saved'.

It was all about oil.

ISIS could be stopped by pulling their funding, simple. But the funding is coming from our allies. And you actually think McCain et al care about 'saving' those people? IF they did, they would be attacking the FUNDERS.

Same old story. Same game, same fear propaganda, and more victims to 'sell' another war.

I hated bush before he even went into Iraq. I was a strong opponent of that war.

are at stake. Doesn't matter who the President is. Either you opposed those policies then, in Vietnam, in Haiti, in Korea, in Afganistan, in South America and on and on, or you opposed them ONLY because of the person in power at the time.

Face it, most of us have, our policies are the problem, Bush was just a willing puppet.

If you support Obama, then you will NOT support what he is clearly reluctant to do. But he will be pressured into doing unlike he has massive support from the American people against any more wars in the ME.

I can see he is not enthusiastic at all about what the neocons want him to do. I know the pressure he is under from the usual suspects. So I will do what I did back in 2003, totally oppose any more wars in the ME no matter what propaganda they are using.

is the same as bush invading an independent country on made up charges and future what ifs.

I would oppose invading Iran today, but support intervention against isis and other radicals.

We helped arm them in Syria and in Libya with the help of our Dictator friends, who do the actual transfer of money and all the other accoutrements they need to present a truly scary image of being practically able to take over the world, with mushroom clouds coming our way.

You want to fight them, then tell our Congress to stop supporting our Dictator Friends' support for them and they WILL NO LONGER EXIST!

I remember the exact same arguments 'this isn't Vietnam, we need to go in and save those people from Saddam' in 2003.

We will never 'fight' ISIS. We will put on a show and then go do what the neocons want us to do.

You seem to be completely ignoring our record a slaughter in that region of the world.

Were you around when all this was happening before?

through the Middle East. Nukes end it. Jesus comes back. 144,000 converted Christian Jews (The Remnant) will remain to usher in the 1,000 Years of Peace in Jerusalem.

Fact or Fiction?

Same old song leading us to more and forever war.

Here's a suggestion to 'stop them'. Tell our dictator allies, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar to STOP FUNDING THEM.

And let's stop shipping weapons to that region of the world.


Btw, have you been following the brutality of the Bahrain dictatorship towards its own people? Have we asked THEM to stop, gone there to save those people who are only asking to be treated like human beings? Has our govt even commented on the enormous demonstrations there, generally met with brutality by our allies in power there?

As I said before, there are innocent people in so many places being subjected to torture and death many times by our ALLIES and we remain silent because it isn't in our interests to 'save' THEM.

Families selling a child into slavery so they could feed their other kids. Some dying later anyway.

We didn't even bother to keep count of the civilian casualties, but the numbers of the displaced were massive.


And we were basically unopposed in that invasion.

Fuck them.

Fugg 'em

Can anyone think of a time either of them said, "We should really stay out of that?"

ETA: Mc is on air right now. He wants to do exactly what failed in Vietnam and what worked only temporarily in Iraq and Afghanistan.

too from that support. Can't stand that woman, never could, she is a warmonger just like McCain and has been for the past decade.

We should be supporting this President's obvious reluctance to return to more war, not agreeing with the warmongers. That is what he needs to fend them off, huge public support against any more foreign adventures.

Then tell our allies, the Saudis, Bahrain, Qatar, we don't need ISIS as a propaganda tool anymore so they can just stop funding and arming them now.

I just didn't know if she took the pro war side as often as Graham and McCain.

DU should have an anti-MIC group!

And it should keep a running list of how our Reps vote when it comes MIC issues such as forever war.

Feinstein, while making statements about 'using caution' in the run-up to the Iraq War, voted for it when push came to shove.

She claimed to have believed the Bush administration's lies about Saddam's capacity to harm the US with WMDs despite the geological distance of Iraq from the US.

She voted to fund it. Supported a 'phased withdrawal' etc but never called for any investigation when, supposedly, she finally 'woke up' and like the REST OF US, except way too late, realized we had been 'misled' by RUMSFELD.

If she didn't know what we knew, thanks to the information from experts on Iraq's WMDs from the UN and elsewhere, she did not belong in the Senate imo.

So many of them refused to do the work necessary to learn the facts, it wasn't hard to do, even easier for them as they had access to more info than the average person. They preferred NOT TO KNOW so they could later claim a lack of knowledge, a 'trust' in the Bush administration for their fateful support for that crime.

She did call for Rumsfeld's resignation, rather than for a full investigation as to how this disaster happened.

She is part of the problem and I can't figure out she continues to get elected as a Democrat.

Pretty sure I heard that a while ago, too lazy to google. They make money off of war - so out the window with: if it's a Dem, it's an automatically good intentioned politician, we know better!

actually seemed shocked by what the US had done in Iraq.

It was right after the revelations re Abu Ghraib. After some of the photos were released the US was forced to conduct an investigation in response to the world wide outrage.

During that brief investigation it was noted that there were far worse photos not yet made available to the public in which far more brutal acts had been recorded.

The debate was over whether or not these photos and videos too should be released. The Senate was given access to them but only a few took advantage of that airc. Graham was one of them.

Meantime Cheney was screaming over the investigation desperately trying to hide his crimes, using as always 'national security' as the reason.

When Graham emerged from viewing those photos he was met by reporters. His face was stricken airc. He was informed of Cheney's statements. I remember him responding to that, paraphrasing: 'Mr VP please let us do our job, we are talking about rape, murder and torture here'.

I remember feeling hopeful that even the most loyal Republican could not go on supporting these crimes.

But, as I said, it was just a brief moment of actual humanity. It wasn't long before Graham returned to his usual loyal support for the war criminals. That, imo, makes him and everyone else who viewed that horrific evidence of war crimes, even worse. They cannot say ever 'we did not know'.

With a faint smile, he once said "Elections have consequences" to explain why he had voted for confirmation of some nominee or other.

But, those occasions are, in my mind, far too few and far between. And, on war, he is seldom the voice of reason.

As for torture, even McCain spoke out about that, having been tortured himself. He says our torturing people will make our troops more vulnerable. I oppose torture, of course, but I am not at all sure that is the case or has been the case. Rather, I believe torture happens in wars. Advocating for war at the drop of a hat while advocating against torture seems cynical to me.

It is easy to belive Feinstein is supported by the military industrial complex.

On the pocket bit, it could be a spouse or other family member.

I don't fault people for wanting to be rich or to be re-elected. However, when one or the other of those two seem to guide every action of our elected officials, it gets old. I am not paying taxes so DiFi can reelected until she keels over or so she and her loved ones can become richer. Not to single her out. A lot of them are exactly the same.

Her husband, one Richard Blum, has made millions from contracts with the Pentagon.

Google "Feinstein profit from defense contracts" if you want a real eye opener.

will be digging the rifle pits, setting up the perimeter or getting fresh water.

It's easy to sit here and type U.S. should put boots on the ground against ISIS. But who's going? Will you? Your kids or grand kids? Are their lives worth it?

yesterday to never volunteer and if the reinstate the draft to think seriously of letting me drive him to Canada.

DiFi is the first guest and a immediately went to "I agree with McCain and Graham."

THESE PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTING MOTHER FUCKING WHORES! DIRTY, FILTHY FUCKING WHORES!

We have One who was Surprised, Indignant and Angry that She was spied upon-One had the "Wisdom" to pick Palin as His successor and One Southern Bell who will "Blow in Any Direction the Wind tells him to".

Yep-this is who We have collectively elected and Trusted to represent the sum of "us".
No Trust - No Faith - No Confidence from this voter because the one thing missing is Wisdom-only greed shows it's ugly face.

(CNN) -- Iraqi security and volunteer forces have broken the siege of Amerli and have entered the town, retired Gen. Khaled al-Amerli, an Amerli resident and member of its self-defense force, told CNN on Sunday.

Iraqi state TV also reported that the siege had been broken.

The news prompted a wave of celebrations across the town, which had been besieged by fighters from the terror group ISIS. Residents waved the Iraqi flag and fired celebratory shots into the air, al-Amerli said.

"Today is a day of victory for Iraq and the resilient people of Amerli," the retired general said.
The breakthrough came after the United States said it carried out airstrikes and dropped humanitarian aid in Amerli to protect an ethnic minority that one official said faced the threat of an "imminent massacre."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/31/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

calendars.

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Get everybody on record voting for or against a war on ISIS. If you're so eager for another war, VOTE ON IT!

Thank you Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, Abraham, Allah, Joseph Smith, Xenu, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster that McCain isn't president!