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Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:48 AM Aug 2014

So the checker at the store asked "what kind of fruit is this?" ;-)


Today's story below.

Original post: How A Seed Saver (DU's own NRaleighLiberal) Discovered One Of Our Favorite Tomatoes : http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025319364


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Marta and I were at the store yesterday when he asked the question. I have a voice that carries. Several people got to hear the story on NPR about the Cherokee tomato. I went on about how the high acid level gives it more of the tomato taste everybody loves tomatoes for. I went on to mention I have a small connection to the guy in the story that is responsible for making this variety available to the world. And his book will be coming out in a couple months.

Several people went to the vegetable area and bought out what was left in stock of the Cherokees. There were not many of them in the heirloom section to begin with.

We can't have a garden here because all the animals that pass through our yard to graze. So I can't thank NRaleighLiberal enough for this wonderful favor he did for ALL tomato lovers as the Cherokee legend grows. His page: http://nctomatoman.weebly.com/nctomato-and-garden-blog

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So the checker at the store asked "what kind of fruit is this?" ;-) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Aug 2014 OP
Excellent. Add cilantro to reduce the acidity but keep the taste. k&r n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #1
:drool: worthy idea Aerows Aug 2014 #28
A Jersey Beefsteak tomato is my fav. Expensive here in FL..n/t monmouth3 Aug 2014 #2
Ever had any VA_Jill Aug 2014 #39
Somewhere I read that the popularity of the Jersey Beefsteak is due to the iron in the soil..n/t monmouth3 Aug 2014 #40
I suspect it is also due to the particular varieties that they grow...and your NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #44
here's an interesting aside.... NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #3
have a cherokee green plant grasswire Aug 2014 #8
Cherokee Green is one of the green-when-ripes that develop yellow skin. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #10
You are a DU TREASURE, you know!!!!! nt MADem Aug 2014 #17
+1,000 malaise Aug 2014 #27
I'll say! n/t JimDandy Sep 2014 #46
I'll have to try one of the large fruiting green varieties. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #18
Cam I get a recommendation? a2liberal Aug 2014 #21
I have a friend who gardens in Augusta who has many heirloom varieties of seedlings available NRaleighLiberal Aug 2014 #22
thanks! pm sent (n/t) a2liberal Aug 2014 #25
You ctsnowman Sep 2014 #50
well, guilty as charged! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #51
You are so awesome!! Coventina Aug 2014 #4
Gorgeous! procon Aug 2014 #5
I found that those of food they have no luck with tomatoes do well with mackerel Aug 2014 #11
Cherry Tomatoes can make even brown thumb individuals think they are farmer brown. alfredo Aug 2014 #15
They even have those hanging basket planters designed for tomatoes or R B Garr Aug 2014 #20
Because I live in a townhouse, I have to container garden. alfredo Aug 2014 #24
Believe it or not, if you seed them Aerows Aug 2014 #30
They are rather sweet. alfredo Aug 2014 #31
That is a delicious looking tomato. zeemike Aug 2014 #6
I'm a diehard tomato lover and heard a piece mountain grammy Aug 2014 #7
They are bred for surviving machinery and for shelf life, not flavor or nutrition. alfredo Aug 2014 #16
We grow Cherokee Purple in the backyard -- they're the best heirloom variety IMO. Auggie Aug 2014 #9
Hmm. I wonder that Monsanto hasn't sued because they probably control a patent on a PatrickforO Aug 2014 #12
growing cherokee chocolate here onethatcares Aug 2014 #13
Really beautiful! I just love heirloom tomatoes. R B Garr Aug 2014 #14
Yum yum yum! VA_Jill Aug 2014 #19
Try toasting your bread first. Even better. shraby Aug 2014 #26
Nope VA_Jill Aug 2014 #38
I've been growing tomatoes for 50+ years and toasting the shraby Sep 2014 #45
Actually VA_Jill Sep 2014 #52
Add a slice of commodity cheese and it is to die for madokie Aug 2014 #33
Growing tomatoes is tricky here. Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #23
Same for the Pacific NW eridani Aug 2014 #34
Our blueberry season is pretty much over Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #35
Both. The farm was a small patch that the farmer's father had started jus afer WW II eridani Aug 2014 #37
NCRaleighLiberal Aerows Aug 2014 #29
I picked four Cherokee Purple tomatoes earlier this morning madokie Aug 2014 #32
Drooling!! jillan Aug 2014 #36
High acid level? edbermac Aug 2014 #41
I stand corrected above Omaha Steve Aug 2014 #42
Heirlooms are rarely available here, except home-grown. raven mad Aug 2014 #43
I've been eating Trader Joes et al tomatoes for years and years.... C Moon Sep 2014 #47
That is one wild looking tomato! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #48
I grow heirloom tomatoes and also grow purple potatoes. ColesCountyDem Sep 2014 #49

VA_Jill

(9,983 posts)
39. Ever had any
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 06:14 PM
Aug 2014

from Grainger County, TN? Best in the world, just about. Something about that red clay dirt and Tennessee sunshine….! They are working to make those as famous as Vidalia onions. Up here in VA we have the "Hanover tomato" and I promise you they are not a patch on the Grainger County ones Our local Rockingham County heirloom ones are lots better but still not quite there.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
44. I suspect it is also due to the particular varieties that they grow...and your
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:46 PM
Aug 2014

own personal tastes and memories of what you like. There are few absolutes with tomatoes - which makes it all so much fun!

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
3. here's an interesting aside....
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:04 AM
Aug 2014

Pretty much all tomatoes - color, size, shape - have the same acidity (pH range extremely narrow)....the sensation of sweet or acid is entirely due to the genetics of the variety, combined with how it is grown (impact of the particular season, growing technique, etc). So the myth of the "low acid pink" or "high acid red" tomato is just that...a myth!

Fun stuff, hey!

By the way, the tomato on the cover is either Cherokee Green or Green Giant. If you've not tasted one of the green when ripe large fruited varieties, you are in for a treat - they are nearly all wonderful (and there aren't very many of them). The smaller greens, like Green Zebra and Green Grape, aren't favorites of mine (too tart or firm).

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. have a cherokee green plant
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:32 AM
Aug 2014

How will I know when the green fruit is ready to eat?

Looking forward to it!

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
10. Cherokee Green is one of the green-when-ripes that develop yellow skin.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:36 AM
Aug 2014

So look for a change to an amber color. Evergreen is another with such skin color; Aunt Ruby's Green and Green Giant have clear skin, making it more challenging (they turn to a softer green tone and get a faint pink blush on the bottom).

Let me know what you think of it!

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
18. I'll have to try one of the large fruiting green varieties.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

I'm with you on Green Zebra, just couldn't warm up to that one.

Eating a homegrown Cherokee Purple as I write this.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
21. Cam I get a recommendation?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:24 PM
Aug 2014

I want to try growing an heirloom variety next season, preferably one that I can get pre-started plants for. Any recommendations for what would be good (and preferably likely to be available if you happen to know) in Michigan? Thanks!

Edit: ideally a low-maintenance/strong variety as I'm not actually good at gardening... I just water the plants and pick the fruits pretty much

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
22. I have a friend who gardens in Augusta who has many heirloom varieties of seedlings available
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:29 PM
Aug 2014

And I am happy to ship plants as well - got a good way to do so.

So many good suggestions! Send me a DU mail.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
50. You
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:00 AM
Sep 2014

inspired my wife and I to grow tomatoes this year. Just the regular type so far.

Next year heirlooms.

Thanks NRaleighLiberal

procon

(15,805 posts)
5. Gorgeous!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:04 AM
Aug 2014

Makes my mouth water. We have no farmers market here and I've never seen heirloom tomatoes in local store. My grandma grew tomatoes by the bushels, and she saved the seeds from year to year, storing them in mason jars down in the basement.

I remember one variety with a particolored skin that was streaked with pinky-red, green and orange that had a lighter, orangish color inside. Grandma didn't like those too much because they didn't have that deep red look of other tomatoes when canned. I've never had any luck growing tomatoes, but Grandma's pink tomatoes sure were delish to eat warm and juicy right out of the garden.

mackerel

(4,412 posts)
11. I found that those of food they have no luck with tomatoes do well with
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:49 AM
Aug 2014

Growing cherry tomatoes. try that you might surprise yourself

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
20. They even have those hanging basket planters designed for tomatoes or
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:24 PM
Aug 2014

other produce so you can keep them off the ground or for horizontal space/limited space container gardening. I had one but gave it away before I used it so I don't know how good they are. It was only about $10. I'll see if I can find a picture.

It looked like a great idea for tomatoes/produce. Now I wish I hadn't given it away.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
30. Believe it or not, if you seed them
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:47 PM
Aug 2014

You can make a kick ass salsa from them, or ... Yep, I've done it, pasta sauce. Tangy, warm and loaded with a unique flavor!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
6. That is a delicious looking tomato.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:25 AM
Aug 2014

Look at how meaty it looks...would make a nice tomato sandwich.

Too bad people don't have access to more veggies like this...what you find in most stores is tasteless.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
7. I'm a diehard tomato lover and heard a piece
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:31 AM
Aug 2014

Jim Hightower did about how fucking with tomatoes has robbed them of all flavor.
Nice post..... thanks.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
12. Hmm. I wonder that Monsanto hasn't sued because they probably control a patent on a
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:37 PM
Aug 2014

Genetically modified version. Perhaps we could call it the "Cherokee AFTER the trail of tears Tomato."

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
13. growing cherokee chocolate here
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:50 PM
Aug 2014

in zone 9/10 west central florida. If the tree rats would just stop eating the sprouts I would be one happy grower.

there is a tomato growers supply company in ft myers that has a great catalog of heirlooms.

this is my second year growing the cc, last year I only got about 10 off of three plants but they were great, raw, on blts,

in everything.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
14. Really beautiful! I just love heirloom tomatoes.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:52 PM
Aug 2014

They are like works of art and are so aptly named. Expensive, but worth it!

How fun that NRalieghLiberal raises them. I'll have to check out his blog.

VA_Jill

(9,983 posts)
19. Yum yum yum!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:22 PM
Aug 2014

Where I live in VA there is a booming local-and-fresh movement and a great farmers' market. You can about imagine the tomatoes… Anyhow, there is one guy who has been working for several years to develop a Brandywine tomato that doesn't crack. He's down to one that cracks minimally, and they are still good.

My favorite summer sandwich, thanks to 35 years of living in east Tennessee, involves spreading 2 slices of bread with mayo (preferably JFG) and adding thick slices of fresh tomato, a little salt and pepper, and if I happen to have any, some purple basil leaves. Wash that all down with a glass of sweet tea. It just doesn't get any better……

shraby

(21,946 posts)
45. I've been growing tomatoes for 50+ years and toasting the
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:59 AM
Sep 2014

bread keeps it from getting mushy when you eat a tomato sandwich. Also have you ever had a cucumber sandwich? Just plain bread with salad dressing..don't toast this one tho.

VA_Jill

(9,983 posts)
52. Actually
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:14 AM
Sep 2014

a good thick slice of homemade bread keeps it from getting mushy….or eating the sandwich fast enough….or a beefsteak tomato…or enough mayo. And yes to the cucumber sandwich, too.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
33. Add a slice of commodity cheese and it is to die for
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 03:06 PM
Aug 2014

Commodities are what they call government hand out food to the poor around here. Yup I was raised on commodities

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
23. Growing tomatoes is tricky here.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:32 PM
Aug 2014

I have some in my greenhouse with lots of fruits, but they're still very green. They'll probably have to ripen off the vine in the house. My local grocer sells heirloom tomatoes sometimes, though. They're so delicious.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
34. Same for the Pacific NW
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 03:37 PM
Aug 2014

My SIL on the Oregon coast will pick her first ripe tomato on Sept 1st. There are compensations, though. Yesterday we did U-Pick blueberries and I got a half gallon for $4.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
35. Our blueberry season is pretty much over
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 03:51 PM
Aug 2014

but it was probably a pretty good year with the rain. Do yours grow wild like ours or are they grown on farms?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
37. Both. The farm was a small patch that the farmer's father had started jus afer WW II
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:22 PM
Aug 2014

Wild are available, but there is competition from bears and other critters.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
29. NCRaleighLiberal
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:44 PM
Aug 2014

sent me some tomato plants, and they are so productive, I don't even know what to do with them all except gift them to neighbors and those that are needed.

His tomatoes ROCK .

He's a treasure to this world!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
32. I picked four Cherokee Purple tomatoes earlier this morning
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 03:04 PM
Aug 2014

Not as big as the ones we were getting at the start of the season but I'm sure they'll taste as good though
we really like the Lemon Boy and Carolina gold varieties too. I pretty much only plant indeterminate varieties as they produce all summer long. If I was to stretch some of our tomato vines out they'd be 15 feet long at least.

Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
42. I stand corrected above
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:05 PM
Aug 2014

It shows I NEED to buy the book.


NRaleighLiberal (35,074 posts)
3. here's an interesting aside....

Pretty much all tomatoes - color, size, shape - have the same acidity (pH range extremely narrow)....the sensation of sweet or acid is entirely due to the genetics of the variety, combined with how it is grown (impact of the particular season, growing technique, etc). So the myth of the "low acid pink" or "high acid red" tomato is just that...a myth!

Fun stuff, hey!

By the way, the tomato on the cover is either Cherokee Green or Green Giant. If you've not tasted one of the green when ripe large fruited varieties, you are in for a treat - they are nearly all wonderful (and there aren't very many of them). The smaller greens, like Green Zebra and Green Grape, aren't favorites of mine (too tart or firm).


raven mad

(4,940 posts)
43. Heirlooms are rarely available here, except home-grown.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:48 PM
Aug 2014

Spouse and I have a small greenhouse; I have made a commitment to try and grow some starting next spring, if I can get seeds.

Too chilly already to even try to start right now! Had a bit of frost along with our earthquake last night - I so envy your fortune being able to get these super tasting babies!

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
47. I've been eating Trader Joes et al tomatoes for years and years....
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:01 AM
Sep 2014

my wife brought back some home grown tomatoes from her parent's yard, and I was floored at the flavor.
I could enjoy eating them the same as I eat an apple!

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
49. I grow heirloom tomatoes and also grow purple potatoes.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:57 AM
Sep 2014

The first time I asked a friend if she would like some homegrown potatoes and gave her some purple ones, she asked, "What are these?".

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