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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:14 AM Aug 2014

Cop confronts jaywalking, white, drunk, rifle-toting man: "Please stop cursing at me, Sir."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/31/1324831/-White-man-jaywalks-with-gun-guess-what-happens

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/dash_cam_footage_from_open_car.html

The police tried to talk him down for 40 minutes.

Quote:
"As the interaction continues, Houseman talks of a coming revolution, and calls police officers "gang members" with a "history of violence." While the audio is scattered -- Houseman was across the street from Gordon and it was a somewhat windy day -- Houseman can also be seen grabbing his genitals and making lewd gestures toward Gordon."

...

"Geik tells a dispatcher Houseman is "highly agitated" and "does not like police.""

...

"Houseman agrees to meet with Geik the following morning, before apologizing again, shaking hands with him and walking away."
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Cop confronts jaywalking, white, drunk, rifle-toting man: "Please stop cursing at me, Sir." (Original Post) DetlefK Aug 2014 OP
In black America, he'd be on a slab. Historic NY Aug 2014 #1
No, if he had been black, he'd been shot dead and left in the street. sarge43 Aug 2014 #12
And they say there is no racism in our police force madokie Aug 2014 #2
Maybe now some folk, while blissfully walking down the streets, will now get it. White privilege is Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
I get it madokie Aug 2014 #10
This is indeed the flip side of aggressive, biased policing against African Americans alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #4
Why wasn't he shot dead on the spot? Octafish Aug 2014 #5
Rather than shooting this white guy, they ought to treat everyone the same. Hoyt Aug 2014 #6
That's how I see it etherealtruth Aug 2014 #9
The white privilege is so obvious here. That being said... freshwest Aug 2014 #7
The Kalamazoo police already shot a white guy dead this year ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #8
Totally Different erpowers Aug 2014 #13
Trust me ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2014 #14
You know it REALLY BUGS me when there's only a FB "like" button - no one will effing see it!!!! DesertDiamond Aug 2014 #11

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
12. No, if he had been black, he'd been shot dead and left in the street.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:10 PM
Aug 2014

Visual aid, reinforcing the learning process.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. And they say there is no racism in our police force
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:18 AM
Aug 2014

If that would have been a black man you know what would have happened. Shit kicked out of him at the very least, more like shot dead right where he stood

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Maybe now some folk, while blissfully walking down the streets, will now get it. White privilege is
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:44 AM
Aug 2014

an everyday kind of privilege. Some folk get to walk blissfully ignorant, some have to walk warily suspicious.

White folk get to walk without fear.

Truly a privilege some other folk never have.

Get it?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
4. This is indeed the flip side of aggressive, biased policing against African Americans
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:53 AM
Aug 2014

White folks being treated with kid gloves. It's part of the everyday white experience: cops giving you a lecture or taking you home for violations and even misdemeanor offenses which would land a black person in cuffs. This is especially true in the teenage years, where little violations end up determining the course of your life: a cop takes you home for a misdemeanor, there are few long-term consequences, to jail, and there are far more - even life-limiting consequences. Far more white folks have a story of "And the cop said X and let us go..." than black folks.

Oh my Gawd, for the "Well I'm white and..." crowd, obviously, white kids get arrested, too, and biased policing affects the poor and the white as well, sheesh. OBVIOUSLY. (It's a shame that we have to make these little qualifiers for sniffy white folks who still can't fathom systemic racism).

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Why wasn't he shot dead on the spot?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:54 AM
Aug 2014

That guy in the toy aisle at Walmart was near a gun, a plastic toy guy, but still.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Rather than shooting this white guy, they ought to treat everyone the same.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:13 PM
Aug 2014

I realize there are some criminals where blowing them away is probably necessary. But in cases like Michael Brown, shooting appears to have been the only option considered.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
9. That's how I see it
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:50 PM
Aug 2014

Yes they most assuredly need to confront a person in this situation ... and they need to handle themselves in this manner with all similar incidents ... regardless of race, gender, etc

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. The white privilege is so obvious here. That being said...
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:23 PM
Aug 2014
'...shaking hands with him and walking away..'

He shakes the same hand after what he did with it the last time they met?

Still no charges? No time in jail or the rubber room?

Maybe it's a small town where everyone went to school together.

'Officer Friendly,' indeed.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
13. Totally Different
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:56 PM
Aug 2014

In the incident you link to the guy actually charged the police with a pistol. It was a fake pistol, but police had no way to know that because the orange tip had been taken off the gun. In addition, the guy in the article had already been convicted of and served prison time for offenses with children. The police were at his apartment to arrest him on suspicion of kidnapping and sexual assault. Even with all that when the guy first charged the police they retreated. After the retreat he continued to charge at them. At that point they gave multiple commands for him to stop and drop the weapon. They only shot him after he continued to charge. That seems very different from the Michael Brown case.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
14. Trust me
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:59 PM
Aug 2014

I'm not trying to make any comparison to Brown and Ferguson. However, when your department has already been involved in one shooting, it probably changes how you're going to handle other incidents after that. The background you give speaks to that. It's probably why the guy in the OP didn't get shot within minutes. Imagine if that was a toy too?

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