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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:25 PM Aug 2014

Vladimir Putin is Ronald Reagan

ADDED ON EDIT: DUer bemildred came up with the idea first, and I'm just
running with it

I had called him "a better-armed, European version of Robert Mugabe"
in the following thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5459673

...whereupon the OP reminded me that Putin "...was elected in a free and fair vote".
The OP (among others) have repeatedly remarked upon Putin's public favorability
ratings. These reminded me of somebody- but who?

Then DUer bemildred gave the answer, here in the thread

Someone needs to explain the right’s adoration for Vladimir Putin because it’s creeping me out.


www.democraticunderground.com/10025470070

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025470070#post10

Do you remember when we all went bananas here over Raygun?

"The shining city on the hill" and all that right-wing jingo nationalist crap? Well, that's Putin in Russia. And right-wingers everywhere lap that stuff up.



The parallels are there:

*Enthusiastic Cold Warriors

*High levels of public approval, while those in opposition loathe them

*A predilection for unilateraism and armed intervention in nearby countries

*Nostalgia for "the good old days"

*Blatant, showy appeals to patriotism

*Most of the rest of the world despise them, while certain authoritarians
just luurve them. (Reagan had his non-USAian fans, most notably
Margaret Thatcher)



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Vladimir Putin is Ronald Reagan (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 OP
But even Reagan didn't annex a large chunk of another country. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #1
And watch JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #2
The MSM turned against Putin even before EuroMaidan. CJCRANE Aug 2014 #3
I saw that, too Warpy Aug 2014 #4
Remember how most of the rest of the world despised and/or feared Raygun? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #5
The big shift on this forum happened when he announced his stupid-assed Purveyor Aug 2014 #13
He's george h w bush NightWatcher Aug 2014 #6
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. He certainly works the media like RR did... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #10
Is he grooming an alcoholic son that isn't too bright for office? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #14
Georgie W was the alcoholic, idiot version of the senile Ronny Raygun NightWatcher Aug 2014 #15
No. First of all, Reagan had a brain already full of swiss cheese holes while he TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #7
I think NightWatcher had it partly right in reply #6- He's GHW Bush... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #11
Let 'em move to Russia then Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2014 #8
Putin should be dissappeared. Lint Head Aug 2014 #9
Good thing for you polonium tea can't be served online! friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #12
Cowboy mentality. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #16
Good point friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #17
I just want to know where so many Putin cheerleaders on DU came from... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #18
Hold your nose, suppress your gag reflex, and read what's at these links friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #19
I'm not surprised at all Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #22
Well, that's not at all surprising... SidDithers Sep 2014 #23
He's worse than Reagan, IMHO. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #20
And Ukraine is playing the role that Cuba and Nicaragua did nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #21
Your OP on that subject was quite good, and I recommend it: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #24

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. But even Reagan didn't annex a large chunk of another country.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:30 PM
Aug 2014

He supported terrorists to influence other nations, but he didn't claim their land.

Putin is more like Mussolini, but toned down a little.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
2. And watch
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:31 PM
Aug 2014

His computer model will eventually . . .

Never mind - I'm gonna get in trouble if I go there.

On another thread I'm talking with another woman who grew up with liberal parents during the Reagan Era.

Next time my husband acts the fool I'm going to tell him to stop acting like Putin. He's from Italy - he's really not going to like that.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
3. The MSM turned against Putin even before EuroMaidan.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:31 PM
Aug 2014

I pointed it out here on DU. It was like someone threw a neocon switch to suddenly demonize him. There was a sudden wave.

So I don't buy the narrative which describes him as though he lives in a vacuum devoid of neocon machinations and assertions.

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
4. I saw that, too
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:38 PM
Aug 2014

and it was mostly because they knew deep down just how dumb Preznit Stupid was. They knew he would give everything to his Pootie Poot because he "saw his soul."

I don't see Putin as much of a mastermind right now, not since he decided to annex the Crimea and possibly eastern Ukraine by force instead of plebiscite. Force will cost him dearly in national treasury, lives and PR. In addition, it's far easier to grab territory than it is to keep it unless the majority of people in that territory wanted the annex--and even then it gets dicey.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
5. Remember how most of the rest of the world despised and/or feared Raygun?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:41 PM
Aug 2014

Putin is posturing for a domestic audience, as it would seem noisy militarism
plays as well in Pinsk as it did in Peoria.

He's *definitely* using Ronnie's playbook at home

And it's working, for the moment

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
13. The big shift on this forum happened when he announced his stupid-assed
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:33 PM
Aug 2014

and despicable anti-gay laws.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. He's george h w bush
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:51 PM
Aug 2014

Bush came up through the CIA ranks and was running the agency behind the scenes for years before stepping into the limelight.

Putin was a KGB veteran who's hunger for power drive him to public office.

They both miss 1980 very much. They both would've handled the end of the Cold War different from how their bosses did.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
10. Good point, I hadn't thought of that. He certainly works the media like RR did...
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:10 PM
Aug 2014

...right down to the macho imagery.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
14. Is he grooming an alcoholic son that isn't too bright for office?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

I kid, I kid- you make a good point...

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. Georgie W was the alcoholic, idiot version of the senile Ronny Raygun
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:55 PM
Aug 2014

But this last time poppy left pulling the strings to his cohort, the Evil Dick.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. No. First of all, Reagan had a brain already full of swiss cheese holes while he
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 04:58 PM
Aug 2014

was in office, his handlers handled everything and created the myth and legend. Putin himself actually dominates Russia. Second, unless Reagan seized portions of Mexico and declared them "New America" that I don't remember, there's no comparison.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
11. I think NightWatcher had it partly right in reply #6- He's GHW Bush...
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:15 PM
Aug 2014

using Reagan's media schtick: "Watch our strong President do manly outdoorsy stuff!"

And jock-sniffers eat it up...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. I'm not surprised at all
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:50 PM
Sep 2014

I've noticed a uniform pattern of pro-Russian talking points on DU and elsewhere...

It really went over the top when the usual suspects first started floating those "U.S. is responsible for the MH17 shootdown" bullshit stories; which got tweaked to "U.S. is covering up MH17" stories which I see on DU every 12 hours...

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
20. He's worse than Reagan, IMHO.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:47 PM
Sep 2014

Reagan, for all his faults, didn't approve of, or outright call for, for the outright persecution of gays in his country.

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