and this is what all the networks led off with tonight...she thinks Obama is 'too cautious' about killing

Democrat to run for office.

Way over time that this War Hawk DINO, should go.

I haven't voted for her the last 3 times she has run.

If I lived in California I'd have a hard time swallowing that pill (fortunately I don't).

It sucks that her current term runs through Jan 2019. Hopefully we can get someone new in there then.

to solve this problem they created. Oh they don't get any more weapons, troops or money from us cuz it seems ISIS is well armed because of them and their ME policies.

Advisors on the ground coupled with air strikes seem to be the most prudent way to proceed.

The thing is, it was all entirely predictable ever since we first deposed Saddam. The only surprising thing is that it took as long as it did to manifest itself. I guess they were just waiting it out until they could fill the power vacuum we left.

I was just saying the same thing to a friend. When we invaded Iraq and settled on Maliki to be the PM, I made the quip that Maliki was Arabic for Ngo Dinh Diem. Now meet ISIS, which is Arabic for Khmer Rouge.

Predictable? Absolutely. I remember shaking my head and thinking that the next president would have to deal with . . . this.

Glad you're both here! Seems like this was entirely predictable. As shitty as Saddam was, he kept things fairly stable in that area. And I always felt it was kinda nice that he would be there keeping the Iranians busy so they couldn't turn around, unencumbered, and hassle Israel or anyplace else. It was a policy of containment - letting Saddam do the dirty work. He kept everybody nervous and reacting - TO HIM. And as such, they were too busy reacting to him to turn outward and start stirring things up around them. He kept them preoccupied and well-menaced, and they all had their hands full and were looking over their shoulders most of the time. And it probably could have gone on that way - in a VERY uneasy "truce" of sorts, for awhile. But NO, we had to take out that "balancing" element. Now the Iranians can stir up anything they want, and there's no ruthless nutcase on Syria's east end to keep that bunch in line anymore. Radical operatives who might have felt suppressed and forced to lay low are now unrestrained, running amok, and that entire part of the world is destabilized and a mess, with more disruption growing by the minute. There's no iron fist keeping relative "calm" in Iraq any longer - it's all gone outta control and utterly berserk over there now. You pull away the cork stoppering the bubbling pressure underneath it, and BOOM!!!!!

then not bombing ISIS is probably the wisest course for him to take. These assholes have been wrong about everyfuckingthing about Iraq, Syria and the entire middle east for 13 years, and yet all of a sudden they're right about this? Get real. I just hope he doesn't cave and ratchet up the action just to prove to them that he isn't a wuss.

Stupid is as stupid does. And Little Debby Wassawoman Shults is not a good leader. In the likes of Bill Nelson who runs the party, for the Pentagon. That....is why Florida sucks so bad in the local, state, and natl' levels. So sad....all dems in Fla complain about this....

rightwing way back then, vetoing domestic partnership benefits, and her questionable political influence in the Harvey Milk assassination investigation.

She was the worst mayor SF had in a long time. Blech.

It is always best to stop and think about how best to deal with this, looking at the end possibilities.

I am trying to look at the stance some of the dems are taking as trying to appeal to more people, because it does seem we have a violent streak in this country. But, there again, a lot of that seems to come from people not thinking clearly about their actions.

I hope all the pols tread carefully here.

Russia takes over Crimea.
Israel takes over West Bank.
ISIS takes over huge chunks of Syria/Iran/Iraq.

Can we have a consistent policy?

Perhaps thinking and contemplating and talking is a good start. War is never the answer.

I don t see a single reason why we would ever go to war with them? Policing the world is the UN s job, not ours. Hasnt America committed enougb war crimes?

Good to have you with us as well. I wish policing the world were the UN's job. On paper, seems so. But in reality it reminds me a little bit of that Monty Python skit where the one guy paid to have an argument with another guy and it turned into arguing for the sheer sake of arguing.

As far as scaring America goes...



ISIS jumped into the lead with a hideous beheading, but Putin battles back into the top spot
with his deployment of Russian Armor.
it's neck-and-neck right now, folks.

And what a race it is!
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It's become a goddamn horse-race, or super-bowl, for the corporate media, just like their coverage of our elections.

Who scares YOU more----Bloodthirsty ISIS or "Hitler-like" Putin?
Place your bets, NOW NOW NOW.

USA is drowning in this BS.


Contrary to popular manipulated opinion...
The BS will hurt America more than ISIS or Putin.

US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel talks about the "imminent threat" ISIS poses to the US and the World.. .and pulls no punches in his total fearmongery..."ISIL poses a threat greater than 9/11. ISIL is as sophisticated and well funded as any group we have seen. They're beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology with a sophisticated strategic and tactical military prowess and they're tremendously well-funded. This is way beyond anything we have seen. We must prepare for everything. Get Ready!" Time for some QE-funded deficit-busting war spending...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/chuck-hagel-goes-full-fearmonger-isis-poses-greater-threat-911-prepare-everything

To talk about the HUGE US deficit.


You know, the way we always talk about it when
social programs are "discussed" (i,e, attacked).






Funny how war prospects always erase all deficit concerns, ain't it?

There are a lot of people who would like us back in Iraq and also to attack Syria. There's the matter of our "allies" in the GCC countries funding these freaks, training on bases in Jordan, and involvement by Turkey (where McCain happened to meet with some of these terrorists).

An aside: Yesterday I saw some cable news report on the level of sophistication of the ISIL/ISIS/IS (al Nusra, FSA, etc, etc, etc) organization. It was showing websites, magazines, marketing promos and it was all top quality and glitzy like out of Hollywood, Madison Ave or London. Dunno who's behind that but it was really suspect. Gotta ask: who benefits?

because these guys have 1000s of Facebook and Twitter accounts, videos, magazines and merchandise, even annual reports, all out in the open.

Yes--Always ask--who benefits?


I'd say,
US Corps/Bank$/Saudis/Israel.


Bam!


That wasn't hard at all.

I had no idea she was such a warmonger. I fully support her on things like gun control and women's rights, but she is 100% wrong on this issue.

but sometimes it is the least wrong. These guys, 40 Filipino peacekeepers and 44 Fijian troops, are our allies. Allies with lots of history with us. You may not think so, but to me when they attacked them they attacked us. We should do everything we can to avoid war, but there is a point where the choice is taken away from us. Link http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140831/syria-peacekeepers-ed7dffc2ff.html

I don't know what your level of knowledge of the Philippines and Fiji is, especially the history from WW2 and on. The strategic value of them being our allies is immense, the effort they went to to help us defeat the Japanese is absolutely heroic, the amount of them currently serving in our military is impressive and those Islands let us keep a eye on China. I live in a Navy town, I go to Filipino restaurants were Filipino commanders in our navy sing karoake with thirty other Filipino officers one day then got out to sea for 6 months to protect us. You tell them that cause I sure wont.

what kind of ally are we when we let them sink or swim? Those that fought and died to help us?. The isolationist libertarian leanings on DU seem to grow every day.

Do we need to feed the MIC more money and blood? Sorry for their loss, but we ve allowed ourselves to be dragged into enough pointless Middle Eastern wars for oil. Nice ad hominem attack though.

libertarian part, but it seem as if the isolationist part was correct. I am anti war just not anti allies. Was what the Filipinos and Fiju's doing wrong? They were there as peace keepers. Is that what you are saying?

I wouldnt support US involvement in any military conflict right now, end of story. We ve had enough imperialism to last a life time.

I'm tired of it also. That is exactly how people felt after WW1 and sitting out of geopolitical realities helped lead to WW2. You made a blanket claim, I choose to evaluate each situation on its merits. To me a military conflict is the last resort, to you is is not even an option. I would be curious to know how exactly you would have won WW2 without a military conflict.

Ok, nice talking to you. Keep on keeponing.

She just need to go away and retire somewhere in aftermath of earthquake in Napa Valley. Her political sightful is real messing up and can't get her priorities right. She looks so weak after she can't rein CIA and NSA from spying into her personal computer.

When the Israeli army invaded Gaza and bombed it into the stone age, I lost a lot of respect for most Democrats (and an Independent) I had admired, and most of them are following the Republican hawks down that same rabbit hole in Iraq and Syria. Everything is so dire and so immediate - Syria is the axis of evil, so they must be obliterated right now! ISIS, who we armed and trained, must be destroyed. Invade now!

I think as poorly of ISIS and what it stands for as anyone else on this forum (though I wonder if our government is any better - it kills innocent people through by drones), and ISIS is a lot of things, but it is not stupid. Beheading the journalist and publishing the video just might be having the effect they've been looking for.

Who's calling Syria the axis of evil? Who's advocating the obliteration of Syria? ISIS is not Syria. Gaza is neither Syria nor ISIS. What do you think is the effect ISIS was looking for with the execution video?

The middle east alliances, factional warfare and extremism is far from simplistic, in my understanding. Arab states are divided on possible resolutions. And they know the histories first hand. I don't think a simplistic approach works well for anyone involved, including Europe and the US.

you don't know if our government is any better than ISIS is flat wrong. We do a lot that is wrong and questionable, I'll give you that. Shoot, I can make a list for ya. Why dont you tell me what rights they give people vs the rights our government gives people. Does our government kill our people for believing in a different religion or no religion? Do we allow more of our population to vote? Drive cars? Hold office? Who contributes more for eradicating hunger and infectious diseases in the world? We do kill a lot of innocent people, but they are working towards that, give em time. They just started.

Damn right. Eff every one of them. I don't believe one bit of this war propaganda, and that is exactly what it is. Total bullshit to get us back in a war. Didn't the MIC make enough GD money off the American taxpayer in the last two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan)? If something happens, i.e. if a "terrorist" attack occurs in this country, it will be because our great big giant bad-ass war machine didn't do it's effing job! We cannot afford another GD war!

I've already started turning off the TV when they start spewing the fear-fear-fear bullshit.

have to put anything on to do that.

Else we'll be disloyal!

on communism, crime, drugs, or terra, hence the chicken-shits among them become chicken hawks.