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discussionist is a misogynist pit hole - vulgar language (Original Post) boston bean Aug 2014 OP
Edit: Granted, it's a POS cesspool of bigotry, I can't disagree. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #1
wow ny. boston bean Aug 2014 #2
It is well and truly a site that seems welcome to bigotry. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #12
its du's sister site? boston bean Aug 2014 #31
Yes, it is DU's sister site, owned by skinner, elad and earlg. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #36
AFAIK, to "give them a voice" (paraphrasing). NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #37
simply put this thread is to illustrate that boston bean Aug 2014 #38
To read the first link, I'd have to log on. I forgot my log in info. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #67
LOL! I forgot mine too BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #90
They DO have a voice here. geek tragedy Aug 2014 #50
Do they want to "give a voice" to racism and homophobia too? whathehell Aug 2014 #117
Just misogyny. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #186
Riiiiiight.. whathehell Sep 2014 #190
you don't seem to get what it does hfojvt Sep 2014 #319
Thanks for your posts here. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #169
Good points, once again; I pretty much agree with you on this. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #347
You really don't know? Why would you post that? n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #6
Really? cyberswede Aug 2014 #7
It was that bright yellow headler that appeared for WEEKS MerryBlooms Aug 2014 #18
LOL poor little fella - on time out, so he had to edit his profile. cyberswede Aug 2014 #3
Whoa, what a vile thing, and a Doctor yet. JaydenD Aug 2014 #4
That poster got to 7 hides Gothmog Sep 2014 #287
just so you know dsc Aug 2014 #5
scroll through the du link. toward the bottom. boston bean Aug 2014 #9
I did find the post thanks dsc Aug 2014 #14
they are trolling du feminists and organizing there attacks out in the open over there. boston bean Aug 2014 #19
I hate to do it, but here's what you're "missing" cyberswede Aug 2014 #13
thank you dsc Aug 2014 #16
I alerted on one of his posts. It was already alerted on and had gone to a jury. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #54
You see, I don't go there… Raine1967 Aug 2014 #20
it is and they are here. i didn't bring it here. boston bean Aug 2014 #23
I didn't blame anyone. Raine1967 Aug 2014 #109
i hate to reiterate but they are here. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #111
If you had been threatened by name with rape BainsBane Aug 2014 #152
Well it is. The DU admin decided to make a free for all playground that he provides for those cui bono Aug 2014 #52
and that seems a very odd decision for 'progressive' administrators to make.. whathehell Sep 2014 #206
Well, remember, thread clicks generate revenue through ad exposure Scootaloo Sep 2014 #351
Charming. Hong Kong Cavalier Aug 2014 #22
Disgusting cwydro Aug 2014 #25
it is posted to hopefully illustrate that what feminists here have been saying boston bean Aug 2014 #26
Then don't go there Doctor_J Aug 2014 #75
hey doc. boston bean Aug 2014 #77
I suppose that would explain the first 5 or so Doctor_J Aug 2014 #80
subjecting myself to what? boston bean Aug 2014 #83
Obviously,you were asking for it. sufrommich Aug 2014 #84
when they tell you something abou themselves, believe them. boston bean Aug 2014 #85
Do you think Skinner was going for a Stormfront type forum? sufrommich Aug 2014 #82
I have no idea. I don't go there because I knew it would turn into a right wing Doctor_J Aug 2014 #87
lol. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #92
roflmao n/t JTFrog Aug 2014 #103
Why advertise the website on DU? ozone_man Sep 2014 #344
how is all this NOT in violation of the FCC ? Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #27
Yeah, that poster needs to have ... oldhippie Aug 2014 #55
I thought about that after I typed it. LOL ... decided to leave it Because there should Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #68
I don't think that the FCC would have jurisdiction in this case. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2014 #385
Communicating threats via the internet needs to reported to whom, then? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #386
Nope, the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over snail mail either. totodeinhere Sep 2014 #387
According to the link you provided Internet crimes can be reported thusly: Contact Info = Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #393
Now that's a major misogynist jerkoff if I ever saw one! AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #35
Do you have an example of the "slight few HoFers" who have profiles like that? n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #164
Don't hold your breath on that one XemaSab Sep 2014 #166
You're right. Just an excuse to type HoF anywhere, anytime. n/t R B Garr Sep 2014 #176
Nothing quite as bad, no. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #172
So you said it, but it wasn't true. R B Garr Sep 2014 #173
Or, maybe, you misread it, and won't admit that possibility. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #174
Are you saying there is a HoF member with that type profile? R B Garr Sep 2014 #177
Never said there was. What's your point, anyway? AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #178
What was your point in bringing up HoF at all in connection with this profile? R B Garr Sep 2014 #179
Seemed pretty self evident to me... Veilex Sep 2014 #284
So then does he or doesn't he have evidence of a profile like that? R B Garr Sep 2014 #288
You missed the point completely, I'm sad to say. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #308
To be truthful, it's obvious you tried to bring HoF into something to be inflammatory R B Garr Sep 2014 #312
"it seems you like it that way." Quite the opposite, I can assure you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #316
Just STOP with the false accusations about HOF then. Just STOP. R B Garr Sep 2014 #318
Oh my God gollygee Sep 2014 #326
Here, on pointe! betsuni Sep 2014 #243
You're concern trolling a rape threat. That's beneath contempt. CreekDog Sep 2014 #191
Alright, that's enough outta you. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #197
Final movement: betsuni Sep 2014 #227
Results: joshcryer Sep 2014 #200
BTW, Josh.....I wasn't his only victim tonight. Check this out: AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #216
Aww, poor victim mens rights activist, rebuffing a good feminist. joshcryer Sep 2014 #219
And now falsely labelling me an MRA.....way to go, joshcryer! AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #221
Please do. joshcryer Sep 2014 #223
More violins! betsuni Sep 2014 #225
Nothing false about it n/t kcr Sep 2014 #255
Juror #2 ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #257
+1 gollygee Sep 2014 #327
Far out betsuni Sep 2014 #260
You are comparing some slight number of HOFers to him? CreekDog Sep 2014 #189
Nutcracker betsuni Sep 2014 #249
Swan Lake betsuni Sep 2014 #293
You're making these threads hard to load pintobean Sep 2014 #297
So what who cares betsuni Sep 2014 #307
I have no love for AverageJoe.. one_voice Sep 2014 #321
Yeah, that's pretty obsessive. polly7 Sep 2014 #325
They're still doing it? They were doing that last night before I went to bed. Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #365
can't open your mouth without bullshitting about HoF, can you? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #353
Ugh... Veilex Aug 2014 #40
He is banned now. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #64
he was banned for making a sock. how reassuring. nt boston bean Aug 2014 #71
He said he was here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #73
yeah i'm pretty sure he is here right now! boston bean Aug 2014 #79
That Is One Angry Person - Wonder What Life Did To Create Such Rage cantbeserious Aug 2014 #91
Is this person... 3catwoman3 Aug 2014 #116
Is it is the same Doctor that's here on DU? Having never signed up at that sleaze pit Number23 Sep 2014 #160
Couldn't the admins identify the DU poster, if in fact that person really does tblue37 Sep 2014 #199
now that you have proven your point hfojvt Sep 2014 #320
Can't see what's at link without signing up. Not doing that. cui bono Aug 2014 #8
click the du link, scroll towards the bottom. boston bean Aug 2014 #10
I won't go there, but unfortunately I did click on the DU link Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #11
one who posts here still, and was at one time banned. boston bean Aug 2014 #15
But you and the other members of HoF should just ignore it Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #106
That guy has major problems, for sure. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #121
clique betsuni Sep 2014 #279
Here's a thought exercise for you, AverageJoe90. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #300
No No, the women have to teach the unstable soul, they have to teach him kindly JaydenD Sep 2014 #306
He also really doesn't mean any harm. SfromCanada Sep 2014 #370
Discussionist is used to attack DU feminists and feminism sufrommich Aug 2014 #17
I think they're dishonestly bragging and are far too chickenshit to actually post here... cyberswede Aug 2014 #24
i think you are underestimating the real problem. boston bean Aug 2014 #29
" I think they're dishonestly bragging and are far too chickenshit to actually post here" Veilex Aug 2014 #42
I believe there is a truckload of those people here. No doubt in my mind. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #44
So why not go there and confront them? polly7 Aug 2014 #60
They are incredibly uncivil and freeperish. Kingofalldems Aug 2014 #76
Dismissive??? polly7 Aug 2014 #107
polly this anger you have for you sisters here makes me sad. boston bean Aug 2014 #112
I haveanger for peoplewho've proven over and over ad nauseum to be concerned ONLY for polly7 Aug 2014 #115
i wish there was some way we could find a way to move forward boston bean Aug 2014 #118
Then reign in your haters and their ignorant words and ways. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #119
i really dont have control over anyone to be able to reign anyone in. boston bean Aug 2014 #122
Nah ..... it's not NEARLY three years ago,though I understand how inflammatory that sounds. polly7 Aug 2014 #128
that doesn't look that bad treestar Sep 2014 #263
Do you get paid to be this 'funny'? polly7 Sep 2014 #266
I thought we were talking about abuse on this board treestar Sep 2014 #272
You, you, you! Is that all you've got? NP, I know how 'dedicated' you are. lol. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #277
What feminist points is polly arguing against? Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #363
He/she can't find one, because one doesn't exist. Just more lies to score points for the club. polly7 Sep 2014 #367
I'm suspecting they didn't read my post further down. Or maybe they did... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #368
I thank you very much for posting what you did, but in all sincerity, it doesn't make one bit polly7 Sep 2014 #369
You're awesome! RiffRandell Sep 2014 #352
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #146
I guess you have NO idea how horrible and triggering those names we were called were. polly7 Aug 2014 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2014 #155
It takes two to tango ....... shame you have no wise words for those doing the polly7 Sep 2014 #156
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2014 #159
You have NO idea. polly7 Sep 2014 #170
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2014 #171
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #193
Polly posts in the Women's Rights & Issues group. Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #211
He pulled some of the same general crap with me recently as well. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #213
Yeah, he's been following me around with all that made-up crap. polly7 Sep 2014 #254
you seem to prefer continuing hostility treestar Sep 2014 #265
You seem to be following me around now with complete crap. polly7 Sep 2014 #267
you really don't like being responded to do you treestar Sep 2014 #268
Not with lies. No-one does. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #269
Sorry, I don't 'play' victim, sadly, for you - apparently, polly7 Sep 2014 #270
Well go on being the victim of these terrible feminists I guess treestar Sep 2014 #275
LMFAO! nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #276
And frankly .......... polly7 Sep 2014 #290
Thank you Violet. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #282
No problems at all, polly... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #362
Honestly, C.D., just stop this fucking shit. ENOUGH. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #212
Here are some violins for you: betsuni Sep 2014 #217
I think the list got pm'd around,lol. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #283
Kudos, polly7. Well said. Laelth Sep 2014 #371
Thank you Laelth. polly7 Sep 2014 #373
I, for one, am glad you got angry. Laelth Sep 2014 #374
I have a whole group wanting me gone lol. polly7 Sep 2014 #375
Aww ... Laelth Sep 2014 #377
I find this post to be dismissive of polly7, which you may not have intended. msanthrope Sep 2014 #335
This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Sep 2014 #338
I personally witnessed an attack on Polly by one of her 'sisters' AFTER she explained that sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #379
Sickening as in threatening to rape people BainsBane Sep 2014 #182
Results Go Vols Sep 2014 #185
lmfao! nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #252
... cwydro Sep 2014 #274
It is fun confronting these idiots Gothmog Sep 2014 #289
I don't comment on internal gov't policy issues of the U.S.,but I enjoy watching them get polly7 Sep 2014 #292
I can attest to that myself, btw. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #317
Good God, I'm glad I missed that. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #21
Yeah, me too. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #39
+1 Veilex Aug 2014 #46
His name was vashta nerada here, he racked up just under 4000 sufrommich Aug 2014 #51
"hardcore radfems" cyberswede Aug 2014 #97
we're just being played. boston bean Aug 2014 #102
"we're just being played." I'm sorry you feel that way. I really am. nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #108
don't feel sorry. try to realize boston bean Aug 2014 #110
I mentioned that particular clique(notice I only said a FEW, btw?) for a reason. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #113
i have seen multiple posts of yours today, and yes you have attacked feminists. boston bean Aug 2014 #114
"Don't you think I would have been booted from this site by now, if that was true?" XemaSab Sep 2014 #168
Here are more violins played, hope you enjoy the performance, I really do! betsuni Sep 2014 #222
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #105
I think that's a sandwich, like a BLT betsuni Sep 2014 #183
... Veilex Sep 2014 #181
Jury Results, 1-6 Leave Lancero Sep 2014 #157
He and his ilk have pretty much been the 'Culture' at DUjr. n/t MerryBlooms Aug 2014 #28
I'll have nothing to do with it. 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #30
well, they will have something to do with you. boston bean Aug 2014 #33
Yup... opiate69 Aug 2014 #48
Gross. I just scrolled through that mess again. polly7 Aug 2014 #69
Damn the luck... opiate69 Sep 2014 #341
....... polly7 Sep 2014 #342
Now if only they'd thought of that when they first created a forum to spew transphobic shit... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #364
The post you linked to discredits you. R B Garr Sep 2014 #384
How exactly does a post that someone else wrote discredit me? Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #388
LOL R B Garr Sep 2014 #390
Seeing you didn't answer anything you were asked, it wasn't that great of a try... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #391
That was truly enlightening. Thanks for posting. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #133
Interesting, but I don't see strategizing treestar Sep 2014 #271
which will of course... Veilex Aug 2014 #49
WTF?? sufrommich Aug 2014 #62
See post 33 for a better understanding. Veilex Aug 2014 #86
poor widdle easily-threatened guys Skittles Aug 2014 #100
Every last one of them! chervilant Sep 2014 #163
Good lord! Curmudgeoness Aug 2014 #32
This. Just this. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #43
I have no doubt that this person is an extreme asshole IRL. Curmudgeoness Aug 2014 #63
War Machine did NOT "knock up " (I.e., impregnate) his girlfriend. tblue37 Sep 2014 #202
True; that's what I'd meant by "knock up". Sorry for the imperfect wording on my end. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #203
I figured as much--but anyone who had not read tblue37 Sep 2014 #205
True. Perhaps I can edit what I wrote? AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #208
Good idea--you edit, but put the "on edit" in the post, while leaving the original tblue37 Sep 2014 #210
Got it! =) nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #214
they are here. this poster is here. boston bean Aug 2014 #45
This reminded me why I haven't been back to Discussionist since No Vested Interest Aug 2014 #34
Yea, it's an electronic dumbster fire EvolveOrConvolve Aug 2014 #41
They must be so proud of their jury system. nt geek tragedy Aug 2014 #47
It worked. /nt pintobean Sep 2014 #229
yeah, discussionist generates page hits. it works by attracting geek tragedy Sep 2014 #233
more ads about impeaching Obama, more $$$. it won't be taken down JaydenD Aug 2014 #56
"electronic dumbster fire" - I am so stealing that. FSogol Aug 2014 #57
I think we need to take the blinders off and understand that DU and DI exist to make seaglass Aug 2014 #59
electronic dumbster fire, well put ! nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #66
I suspect he/she really meant "dumpster," though. nt tblue37 Sep 2014 #204
Why I don't go there. Sexist, condescending, pretentious shit-stirring trolls Triana Aug 2014 #53
Well, I won't go there. n/t GP6971 Aug 2014 #58
If those assholes weren't there, they'd be here eridani Aug 2014 #61
Anywhere there are GOP forum members they try and destroy applegrove Aug 2014 #65
And, again, I say Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #70
easy for you to say if you arent the one being trolled, having rape threats. boston bean Aug 2014 #72
Because the problem isn't psychos threatening to rape women sufrommich Aug 2014 #74
Did I say that? Blue_In_AK Aug 2014 #125
I think it's worth while knowing what's out there treestar Sep 2014 #278
I gotta agree cwydro Sep 2014 #224
It's really hard to play Whack-A-Troll Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #358
According to reply 61, DU is a misogynist shithole too Doctor_J Aug 2014 #78
Find this funny do you? Texasgal Aug 2014 #81
seems to be too many Doctors around JaydenD Aug 2014 #89
and the attitudes seem very similar Bobbie Jo Aug 2014 #94
mmmm mmmm boston bean Aug 2014 #96
Er, can you point to one of my posts in which I threatened to rape someone? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #309
one more post you'll be at 30,000. nt boston bean Sep 2014 #310
Nice try Bobbie Jo Sep 2014 #328
not as bad as discussionist, as DU is limited to Democrats and liberals treestar Sep 2014 #281
Asshole teabaggers who think they are funny. edbermac Aug 2014 #88
Thanks for the warning. Laffy Kat Aug 2014 #93
That is truly disgusting. Glad to see he's banned LittleBlue Aug 2014 #95
yeah the reason he get banned from DI is because boston bean Aug 2014 #98
What's his name here? LittleBlue Aug 2014 #101
well, he was a previous banned member vashta nerada, boston bean Aug 2014 #104
I've Been a Regular Poster Over There Leith Aug 2014 #99
Then don't go there. It is that simple. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #120
I think I see your point, TBH. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #123
There is nothing that the general population in this site can do Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #137
That's the point Doctor_J Sep 2014 #314
get back to me when you are getting rape threats by posters over there who post here. boston bean Aug 2014 #124
I've been the target here, by the same kind of troll Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #134
Did anyone ever just tell you to just ignore and don't come here if you, don't like it. boston bean Aug 2014 #135
The discussionist is a place where the full range of political opinion can be discussed. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #158
please leave me alone for now. nt boston bean Sep 2014 #161
Thank you very much for that post. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #167
Well said, Ms Toad n/t Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #192
ugh. n/t LeftOfWest Sep 2014 #198
Very well said. /nt pintobean Sep 2014 #231
I feel sad for you. chervilant Sep 2014 #301
Lol. Like this issue popped up pintobean Sep 2014 #303
Misogyny is rampant here - and has been for a very long time. Ms. Toad Sep 2014 #305
Logged in just to +1 this. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #336
Excellently stated, thank you! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #350
Here's what I saw EarlG Aug 2014 #126
What would I like? boston bean Aug 2014 #129
But the only reason this crap is here is because you posted it here EarlG Aug 2014 #136
No, they are here Earl. They are strategizing stalking feminists in hope of getting jury hides. boston bean Aug 2014 #140
Yep. He is trying to make you out to be the bogeyman. Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #187
No he's not. He's pointing out the bleeding obvious... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #194
Exactly Violet cwydro Sep 2014 #230
he was not banned for the rape threats. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #235
Death threats wouldn't be a bannable offense either... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #236
Try logging out and then going to any page on DU. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #237
Skinner and EarlG branched out into running a RW hate-site? Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #240
It's been asked, and not answered. read down thread. nt boston bean Sep 2014 #241
purpose or effect, does it matter when the output is the same? geek tragedy Sep 2014 #242
Well, DTG's had a thing for DU for a long time... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #244
feminism doesn't even get discussed there geek tragedy Sep 2014 #246
Not that it's a deal-breaker, but I ran into Iverglas and Feldspar over there a while back... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #247
plenty of places to talk about great albums. progressive discussion sites geek tragedy Sep 2014 #261
I manage to do that here, which is a progressive discussion site... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #361
What you are not understanding is that the owners of this site are boston bean Sep 2014 #238
I wish I could say your position on this matter suprises me BainsBane Sep 2014 #357
We don't ban for rape threats. sufrommich Aug 2014 #145
I didn't have to ban him for making rape threats EarlG Aug 2014 #147
How did his ban message get put into his profile.... boston bean Aug 2014 #149
You said there are only 2 reasons for banning: sufrommich Aug 2014 #150
So if that hadn't happened, thucythucy Sep 2014 #313
So I'm still wondering-- thucythucy Sep 2014 #345
and the treatment that is handed out sounds like The Authorities alright JaydenD Sep 2014 #248
This whole thread has encapsulated my disgust with DU over the last few years Number23 Sep 2014 #346
So rampant misogyny is A-OK on discussionist, but creating a sock is a capital offense. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #148
I don't know, Gormy Cuss... chervilant Sep 2014 #304
So the site rules seriously consider sock accounts to be a worse offense than rape threats? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #251
The reason this crap is here is because you have promoted that site on this one . . . kickitup Sep 2014 #259
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #383
Just saw this BainsBane Sep 2014 #394
So Discussionist has minimal rules, but is run and moderated by those who participate. uppityperson Sep 2014 #298
EarlG, your response is, to put it mildly, EvolveOrConvolve Sep 2014 #339
+1 XemaSab Sep 2014 #343
+1 MadrasT Sep 2014 #354
+1 Hong Kong Cavalier Sep 2014 #356
That vile misogynist harassed women on DU for years before finally getting banned, LeftyMom Aug 2014 #131
So what you're saying is he was banned, banned, and banned again EarlG Aug 2014 #139
Rape threats aren't dropped toast. There's no five second rule. LeftyMom Aug 2014 #142
It's a truly stunning site management concept over there. n/t JimDandy Sep 2014 #184
I get the sense that admin is blaming the victim. JaydenD Sep 2014 #209
+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2014 #245
Thanks for putting it so bluntly LeftyMom. I'm feeling disgusted. n/t seaglass Sep 2014 #253
Great points, and I have a feeling that if those sentiments were said about ADMIN'S WIVES/GIRLFRIEND Heddi Sep 2014 #333
Just say, "yes a rape threat gets you banned and also some potential follow up with law enforcement" CreekDog Sep 2014 #195
I am stunned admin replied.... trumad Aug 2014 #141
To blame me for showing that the other site boston bean Aug 2014 #151
Thanks for replying, Earl LittleBlue Aug 2014 #132
Impressive. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #138
I think the issue BainsBane Aug 2014 #143
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #154
ot steve2470 Aug 2014 #144
Too subjective Doctor_J Sep 2014 #299
This person is still an active member here: XemaSab Sep 2014 #162
Well said EarlG. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Sep 2014 #196
Thanks, EarlG. =) nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #175
One very simple question: TDale313 Sep 2014 #188
I'd have to agree. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #201
Yep. pecwae Sep 2014 #220
Oh, good! chervilant Sep 2014 #234
I agree. Progressive people threatening to withholding support sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #264
Now there is a thread over there attacking the people who were threatened... Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #273
I won't be reading that one either. Doctor_J Sep 2014 #296
Thanks, and a suggestion. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #280
Exactly. That poster should get a visit from the police Doctor_J Sep 2014 #295
The admin are probably legally obligated to report that. JTFrog Sep 2014 #330
Um, no--they aren't. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #331
Well that's a shame. JTFrog Sep 2014 #332
BB always has that option. I am sure admin will comply with any lawful investigation. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #334
One of the most prominent DUers was banned for threatening another DUer with violence... JVS Sep 2014 #360
Thanks EarlG, +1 nt Crabby Appleton Sep 2014 #291
Amen, EarlG Doctor_J Sep 2014 #294
nice recap hfojvt Sep 2014 #324
So a sock puppet is a bigger infraction than a rape threat? Just like sports... cui bono Sep 2014 #329
I can see this both ways. stevenleser Sep 2014 #337
+1 hlthe2b Sep 2014 #348
So, that's what a sock is... MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #349
EarlG, with all due respect: Heidi Sep 2014 #359
Do you think Washington can beat Philly and win the division this year? Inkfreak Sep 2014 #372
NFC East never has repeat champs Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #392
I don't go over there. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #127
Assault, rape and murder threats nilesobek Aug 2014 #130
So if no progressive or DU member went there, it would just be another repuke site. I won't go still_one Sep 2014 #180
No, because repuke sites don't advertise Democrat ideals. JaydenD Sep 2014 #250
Actually, I have seen right wing ads appear on DU. Not lately though still_one Sep 2014 #258
Yes, they most certainly do appear. I may not have been clear, sorry. JaydenD Sep 2014 #262
Certainly that character is disgusting. And scary. LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #207
I would strongly advise Skinner and the Mods to look into that possibility, honestly speaking. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #215
It's the DUer "The Doctor." and Vashta Nerada. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #218
They were both the same person? I didn't realise that till now... Violet_Crumble Sep 2014 #226
The Discussionist 'Doctor' denied they were the DU 'Doctor', but no-one believed them muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #228
This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Sep 2014 #232
If it's true that they are the same person pintobean Sep 2014 #256
I'm having trouble logging in over there shenmue Sep 2014 #239
The link wants me to create an account itsrobert Sep 2014 #285
yeah, that was my intention... boston bean Sep 2014 #286
It helps keep the trolls away from DU. Rex Sep 2014 #302
And, as evidence of how this hatred is seeding DU, note the alert message for a jury on which I just hlthe2b Sep 2014 #311
I went over there pintobean Sep 2014 #322
you went to discussionist? hlthe2b Sep 2014 #323
Ya Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2014 #315
Don't people have better ways to spend their time? Quantess Sep 2014 #340
++++ Cleita Sep 2014 #381
What does vulgar language mean. Cleita Sep 2014 #355
If you consider what was written to be the "language of the common people" you have issues Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #366
Did I say it was what you accuse me of? Cleita Sep 2014 #376
Seriously? Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #378
Yes, because you are so smart. congratulations. Cleita Sep 2014 #380
You are embarassing yourself Bjorn Against Sep 2014 #382
Leave Discussionits Alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NCTraveler Sep 2014 #389
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Edit: Granted, it's a POS cesspool of bigotry, I can't disagree.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:01 PM
Aug 2014

I wish I could say that a DU discussion of it could somehow make it better, but I don't have much hope for that.

Nobody should have to put up with what passes on DU, and Discussionist seems to be a troll playground.

I wish I could offer solutions, but have none.

OTOH, I don't see that sending them traffic is going to help.

Sorry for the mixup.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
2. wow ny.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:03 PM
Aug 2014

Why don't you click the links. It will become quite clear to you. And you just might be as appalled and disgusted as I am.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
12. It is well and truly a site that seems welcome to bigotry.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:10 PM
Aug 2014

Why promote it with links?

You have to admit, we have more than a fair share of idiots here.

Here's my POV: I think politics and electing progressives and eliminating crappy Dems is our number one mission. Discussions about domestic violence, gun control, etc., are all important, too, but every Joule of energy we spend fighting one another on these and other issues is a Joule of energy the could have gone to get rid of McConnell, Boehner, and the rest.

DU has groups and forums for guns and other matters. I care about our building a better society, misogyny and bigotry are issues, big issues, no doubt, but there are times that I think they become distractions and actually work against our common interests.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
37. AFAIK, to "give them a voice" (paraphrasing).
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:37 PM
Aug 2014

Skinner wrote in an ATA response something to the effect of what I wrote above.

I could be wrong but think it was partly designed to distract hate speech away from DU3, I could be wrong, and if I can find that comment, I'll send a link.

My point, let them keep it, let them go be all the fools they want to be there, management there is different than here, I don't see how it helps the cause to bring their shit back here, if you know what I mean.

TIA

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
38. simply put this thread is to illustrate that
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:39 PM
Aug 2014

There are misogynist here. Many of those posting there have accounts here, and this one in particular does.

They are openly strategizing the trolling of feminists here. Did you bother to read the links?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
67. To read the first link, I'd have to log on. I forgot my log in info.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:09 PM
Aug 2014

I made an account when it was started, and forgot my personal info.

But, upon reading your reply here I hit the second link in your OP to BanesBain's post and that link worked.

So, I see that there is a kind of stalking thing going on and I'm sorry for that.

It's a lot like reading posts at Old Elm Tree or the Cave.

Sorry to see this, boston bean, and I edited my original reply to you.

No suggestions on what might make it better, and no doubt that there are some, or many, misogynist members active on the boards.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
50. They DO have a voice here.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:47 PM
Aug 2014

They get banned , they re- register. That wannabe rapist has an account here . And probably votes on juries .

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
117. Do they want to "give a voice" to racism and homophobia too?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:32 PM
Aug 2014

or is it only misogyny that needs to be 'heard'

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
18. It was that bright yellow headler that appeared for WEEKS
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:13 PM
Aug 2014

when you logged in to DU during May 2014.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
287. That poster got to 7 hides
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:36 PM
Sep 2014

That is amazing. He is gone for a while and I doubt that he will be welcomed back

I have a high tolerance for stupidity and bigotry and I enjoy using facts against the conservatives

dsc

(52,162 posts)
5. just so you know
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:06 PM
Aug 2014

one has to register for an account to read your discussionist link. It may not work even then for all I know since I didn't register.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
19. they are trolling du feminists and organizing there attacks out in the open over there.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:13 PM
Aug 2014

This person still posts on du, they say, and at one time were banned from here.

This is not something feminists here are making up. Hopefully, we can put that meme to a rest.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
13. I hate to do it, but here's what you're "missing"
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:10 PM
Aug 2014
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Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
20. You see, I don't go there…
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:15 PM
Aug 2014

and I don't believe that nastiness out to be brought here.

If that sight can't get rid of trolls that is that the problem of the website --


ETA: this was nothing against you CyberSwede. I know why you did this.

I just do not believe we should have to discuss that sight as though it were an extension of DU.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
23. it is and they are here. i didn't bring it here.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:18 PM
Aug 2014

Read the links. Don't blame the people they are attacking.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
109. I didn't blame anyone.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:22 PM
Aug 2014

That site and this one are different things. I don't go there.

I also do not go there to bring it's crap here.

Much like you will never see me bring FR shit here.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
152. If you had been threatened by name with rape
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:54 PM
Aug 2014

You might not feel that closing your eyes was an adequate solution. What if he acts on those threats?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
52. Well it is. The DU admin decided to make a free for all playground that he provides for those
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:50 PM
Aug 2014

assholes. He doesn't have to provide the place for that to happen but he chooses to do so. Just as he chooses to ignore most of the misogyny on DU as well.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
206. and that seems a very odd decision for 'progressive' administrators to make..
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:16 AM
Sep 2014

..a misogynist "playground"?...WTF?

Hey, why give all the fun to the women haters?

How about a racist playground?...Maybe a homophobe playground?



 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
351. Well, remember, thread clicks generate revenue through ad exposure
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 12:33 AM
Sep 2014

There's really no incentive for the admins to go after trolls who generate lots of thread-clicks then - Except perhaps in the case of one who goes so over-the-top apoplectic as this jackass did.

This is the same reason why on DU, calling out bigots is a greater sin than actually being one.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
26. it is posted to hopefully illustrate that what feminists here have been saying
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:24 PM
Aug 2014

is true.

That its not something in our heads. Please read through the hof link. They are openly organizing their misogynist attacks. And many of them have accounts here.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
75. Then don't go there
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:18 PM
Aug 2014


Like the previous poster said, why feed them? Our AA and Jewish members don't spend their days reading and posting excerpts from Stormfront. What purpose is served by reading those threads and reposting them in the HoF?
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
80. I suppose that would explain the first 5 or so
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:22 PM
Aug 2014

but day after day? You are getting something from subjecting yourself and the rest of the HoF to those posts.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
87. I have no idea. I don't go there because I knew it would turn into a right wing
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:29 PM
Aug 2014

toilet like the rest of the internet. I am suggesting that those who find it offensive should do the same.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
27. how is all this NOT in violation of the FCC ?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:24 PM
Aug 2014

That is a vile and disgusting beyond juvenile and downright childish display of one angry person.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
68. I thought about that after I typed it. LOL ... decided to leave it Because there should
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:09 PM
Aug 2014

be some kind of legal recourse available about communicating threats via the internet. I would take out charges in a heartbeat if someone communicated that kind of nastiness to me or used my website to spout that shit.

vile nasty asshole.

fucking evil sick fucker.


Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
386. Communicating threats via the internet needs to reported to whom, then?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:36 AM
Sep 2014

Because you contact the FCC if threats are communicated via the phone lines.

What about snail mail? Isn't that also the FCC ... ?

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
387. Nope, the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over snail mail either.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 02:16 AM
Sep 2014

As far as Internet threats go, I believe it's the FBI that has jurisdiction.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
393. According to the link you provided Internet crimes can be reported thusly: Contact Info =
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:37 AM
Sep 2014
General Public
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Contact us online
Use our Online Tips and Public Leads form
Report a cyber scam or threat by filing a complaint with our Internet Crime Complaint Center
Contact us via telephone or mail
Contact your local FBI office or closest international office
Call 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324) for the Major Case Contact Center
Call (866) 720-5721 to report fraud, waste, and abuse involving disaster relief to the National Center for Disaster Fraud or write to NCDF, Baton Rouge, LA 70821-4909.


Vetted members of law enforcement can report cyber or terrorist incidents through eGuardian on the Law Enforcement Enterprise Portal (LEEP). Access is restricted to authorized users.

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more at link: http://www.fbi.gov/report-threats-and-crime

Thank you.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
35. Now that's a major misogynist jerkoff if I ever saw one!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:35 PM
Aug 2014

And even Discussionist couldn't put up with him.

There are, to be truthful, a slight few HoFers that I've dealt with, who aren't exactly always decent themselves.

But this guy.....saying that people deserve to be raped? That is simply beyond the pale, no matter if he was doing it for "teh lulz" or out of serious misogynistic hatred.....no matter the target.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
172. Nothing quite as bad, no.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:39 AM
Sep 2014

To be truthful, however, I think you may have missed my point. Here, I even said this at another post.....

For all the problems we may have at this site.....even with that, I know for a fact that we are definitely still better behaved than the other place, by a long shot(even our most far-out denizens can't really come close to matching the worst & wackiest of Discussionist).


So I'm not sure we really disagree too much on this, honestly speaking.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
179. What was your point in bringing up HoF at all in connection with this profile?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:13 AM
Sep 2014

Do you have an example of a HoF member with a vile profile like that?

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
284. Seemed pretty self evident to me...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:29 PM
Sep 2014

"There are, to be truthful, a slight few HoFers that I've dealt with, who aren't exactly always decent themselves" He's had negative encounters with people in both Discussionist and HoF. Considering the topics being discussed, that's not exactly a leap of logic.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
288. So then does he or doesn't he have evidence of a profile like that?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
Sep 2014

Because it's a huge and laughable* leap of logic to tie a vile profile like that with some people you disagree with just to be disruptive.

*laughable as in cynical of the absurdity.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
308. You missed the point completely, I'm sad to say.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

I said a that a few people weren't exactly always decent(BTW, this is coming from personal experience. Nothing concrete, but it IS true.); but I sure as hell didn't say, or imply, they were anywhere like that guy. I even pointed out as much.



I hate to say it, but your reading comprehension seems a bit off, to be truthful.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
312. To be truthful, it's obvious you tried to bring HoF into something to be inflammatory
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:30 PM
Sep 2014

and I and others have just pointed out those obvious observations about this and various other things that you say on a continuous basis by referencing HoF in everything you type. Unless you can show a related profile of a HoF member that underscores you bringing up HoF in a proper context similar to this vile profile, then your comment about HoF, to be truthful, is just meant to start a flame war because, to be truthful, it wasn't truthful. Obviously.

To be honest, you seem to have a lot of people not understanding what you write and, to be honest, it seems you like it that way.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
316. "it seems you like it that way." Quite the opposite, I can assure you.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:43 PM
Sep 2014

As frustrating as that actually gets, I've actually had to resign myself into accepting that some people just aren't going to understand, whether they're genuinely confused, or they're so wrapped up in their assumptions that they can't bother to take a look outside of their bubble, etc.

I'm afraid it's kinda obvious that you just don't get it. And I don't mean that to be nasty, I really don't. Nothing else I can really say.....

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
318. Just STOP with the false accusations about HOF then. Just STOP.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:50 PM
Sep 2014


Going around and accusing people of being as vile as that banned poster was is the epitome of not getting it. Just STOP following people on this message board and injecting your own obsession with HoF into everything written here. Unless you can show that there is a connection to the vile profile and HoF members then you are intentionally, to be honest, not being honest.

Just STOP.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
326. Oh my God
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:55 PM
Sep 2014

OR you're wrong! You're wondering why people can't see what you see when you are unwilling or unable to consider what anyone else sees! YOU don't get it.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
191. You're concern trolling a rape threat. That's beneath contempt.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:02 AM
Sep 2014

Using the thread to derail with digs at HOF? You think some HOFers are unpleasant and that a rape threat is also unpleasant.

Your foolishness has sunk to the level of performance art.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
197. Alright, that's enough outta you.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:42 AM
Sep 2014

I honestly cannot believe you'd ever stoop so low, C.D.; I've seen some pretty fucked up shit from your end, but this takes the cake.

Here, before you make any more stupid comments, I happened by BainsBane's thread regarding on a recent experience of hers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472573

There was real compassion in that comment, C.D. You may not care for me personally, but you could at least try to acknowledge that piece of decency.



joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
200. Results:
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:52 AM
Sep 2014

On Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:33 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're concern trolling a rape threat. That's beneath contempt.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472679

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Concern trolling", CreekDog? Look who's talking! You're practically the living epitome of a concern troll on this site. Get a fucking clue, and your head out of your ass, or don't.

Either way, your hypocrisy is TRULY astounding, and it's about time someone stood up to you.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:49 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I was going to remove it but found the comments by the alerter much, much worse than the post itself. You people really need to grow up.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter's comment is far more of an offensive and hide-worthy personal call-out than the post he/she alerted on!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I saw nothing wrong with the post but the alerter is using the alert system to call CreekDog out. If the post gets a hide then CreekDog gets to see that nasty little alert message. No thanks.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not going to read the thread in context. The abuse in the alert itself is beyond what even the alerted post might be construed as. I'd hide the alert.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Alerted on this abusive alerter.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
219. Aww, poor victim mens rights activist, rebuffing a good feminist.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:33 AM
Sep 2014

There are posters here who diminish feminism on DU and I think it makes DU suck. BTW, telling me to "shut the fuck up"? Have fun with that.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
221. And now falsely labelling me an MRA.....way to go, joshcryer!
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:37 AM
Sep 2014

Seriously, this kind of jackassery is what makes the DU experience suck, and thanks to that little display, you just came damn close to earning a spot on my ignore list.


joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
223. Please do.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:54 AM
Sep 2014

Nothing would make me happier than being on another bigoted climate change denialists ignore list. Nothing.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
189. You are comparing some slight number of HOFers to him?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:57 AM
Sep 2014

How many rape threats have you seen in HOF.

Your post is so bad, it's trolling.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
297. You're making these threads hard to load
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:02 PM
Sep 2014

by spamming them with videos. Putting you on ignore will improve things greatly. It's not like you're adding anything - just a weird stalking.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
365. They're still doing it? They were doing that last night before I went to bed.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:03 AM
Sep 2014

It's just a bit stalky and weird. As their response to someone objecting to the thread being spammed was 'who cares', I hope someone alerts on the spamming if it continues....

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
73. He said he was here.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:16 PM
Aug 2014

He builds up to a point and then goes off on feminists.

I think it is when he thinks he is going to be banned.

He is here.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
160. Is it is the same Doctor that's here on DU? Having never signed up at that sleaze pit
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:12 AM
Sep 2014

I can't read the Discussionist link in the OP

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
199. Couldn't the admins identify the DU poster, if in fact that person really does
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:46 AM
Sep 2014

post on DU as well? And if they can tell who he is on DU, then that sort of language should be enough to get him PPR'd on DU as a misogynist troll of the worst sort.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
320. now that you have proven your point
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:01 PM
Sep 2014

I wish you'd self delete that. It should be erased from DI too.

There's no more need to read that than there is to walk by a pile of dog doodoo and stop and take a little taste of it.

Yes we know, there are hateful, nasty people in the world, and yes, you can run into them on this and other message boards.

Consider it a point made and do not help to spread hateful and vile words.

"Teacher, there are things, I don't want to learn."

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
11. I won't go there, but unfortunately I did click on the DU link
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:10 PM
Aug 2014

and that profile looks like the rantings of a very disturbed individual.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
15. one who posts here still, and was at one time banned.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:11 PM
Aug 2014

They are trolling du feminists and organizing over there.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
106. But you and the other members of HoF should just ignore it
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:59 PM
Aug 2014

or something. Because HoF teh ebil obsessed harpies.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
121. That guy has major problems, for sure.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:36 PM
Aug 2014

I've had a few problems with a very small number of HoFers myself, pretty much all of them clustered into a single clique.

But rape threats are unacceptable, no matter the target.....at least we can agree on that?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
300. Here's a thought exercise for you, AverageJoe90.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:13 PM
Sep 2014

Don't think of those DUers as HoFfers. Think of them as GDers.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
306. No No, the women have to teach the unstable soul, they have to teach him kindly
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:40 PM
Sep 2014

with smiles and gentle whispers and adoring gazes at their student and just ignore the threats and name calling. It's all in good faith, man!

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
17. Discussionist is used to attack DU feminists and feminism
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:12 PM
Aug 2014

in general and those attacks regularly come from self professed DUers and it's been like that since it's inception. I don't know how anyone goes there without feeling seriously creeped out,it's hideous.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
24. I think they're dishonestly bragging and are far too chickenshit to actually post here...
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:18 PM
Aug 2014

except for the repeat troll(s), who is (are) banned almost instantly (around 30 times, by my count).

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
29. i think you are underestimating the real problem.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:28 PM
Aug 2014

If your not one to experience it, I can see how you might believe what you do.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
42. " I think they're dishonestly bragging and are far too chickenshit to actually post here"
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:43 PM
Aug 2014

I sure as heck hope so.

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
76. They are incredibly uncivil and freeperish.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:19 PM
Aug 2014

Nothing to discuss actually. They have their own personal facts. You are being kind of dismissive there, I see.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
107. Dismissive???
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:15 PM
Aug 2014

Really. How so? I confronted them on some extremely sickening crap. We're always told here how we just need educating. A progressive board where most of us, women, anyway ... have been through more than many of the keyboard warriors telling us how stupid, and misogynistic and obviously brainwashed we are. Called rape-enablers, laughed at when those same educators call us sexist terms, dogs, lol .....and on and on. Who is being dismissive here??? If you can't 'educate' those who actually NEED it, you're really not interested in challenging the status quo, are you? Many of us have done more to battle sexism and deal with its victims in real life than the 'educators' have probably even considered.

If you believe in something ............ do something to change it, and not just for people who already agree the injustice exists and needs to end. It seems simple.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
115. I haveanger for peoplewho've proven over and over ad nauseum to be concerned ONLY for
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:30 PM
Aug 2014

certain 'sisters' who bow down to authority and believe in only one brand of feminism. I've watched the horrific treatment doled out to 'non-conformists', and it not only saddens me, it disgusts me. I also am sickened at the thought of being 'educated' by those who call me and others who've lived through things that should have killed us the most ugliest of names. But you keep on being 'sad' over it, I'm fine with being disgusted.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them (wise words from my beloved grandmother)

Aaaand, my hand is sore again so typing is crap.

I care equally for ALL humans, not just those deemed worthwhile to fight for in the mean girls club. Alert on that.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
118. i wish there was some way we could find a way to move forward
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:33 PM
Aug 2014

or start new. I think we probably have many of the same goals.

But this would take all to start new. I am willing to.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
122. i really dont have control over anyone to be able to reign anyone in.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:37 PM
Aug 2014

But I suspect that things that were said and done long ago could be let go and possibly start new. There is a lot of water that has gone under the bridge on both sides..

From nearly three years ago, we are holding grudges. I want to move forward.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
128. Nah ..... it's not NEARLY three years ago,though I understand how inflammatory that sounds.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:47 PM
Aug 2014

It's every second day.

Take this stupidest of stupid subthread from just yesterday. This is the kind of thing I hate seeing - people trying to discuss something in good faith having it trolled to the point it's all just a jumble of meaningless crap. making shit up, accusing people of things never said, turned into some huge flame-fest that's honest-to-god baffling for anyone except the one wanting to stir it up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5467039

And that's not even counting the 'dog' calling, rape-apologist, pedophile-enabler, women who need a 'pat on the head' for self-worth crap that's posted ALL the time in your group among all the other insulting, hateful stuff.

Accusing good people of horrible things, without taking even a minute to stop, think,try to understand and comment back with even a modicum of respect. There is NO respect for anyone even slightly disagreeing, and it's always, and expectedly met with pushback. None of us own this board, and yet some .... who dare to offer an altering opinion are treated like dirt, while the tables are ALWAYS turned to make the instigator the victim. It's junior high shit on steroids. But it seems to work well for some.

Maybe a little more tolerance for those who do have minds of their own but don't express themselves inthe way your group deems the 'only way' and a bit less outright hatred and hostility might go a long way to healing ........... until then, you get exactly what you give (your group).

polly7

(20,582 posts)
266. Do you get paid to be this 'funny'?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:59 AM
Sep 2014

I told my story, as did others, of horrible domestic violence and of two instances of rape - one so violent I was in hospital with broken bones for weeks. We were since called rape-enablers ( by the same people who knew of and read our stories - without support or comment, of course, because we stood up to the bullying by this group created because they couldn't get rid of a host who disagreed with the support of transphobia that existed in the original). 'Dogs', 'pedophile-enablers', called sexist terms that would have had men ppr'd here, and laughed at when we objected, 'women who just need pats on the head to validate our existence',etc.etc. Not to mention demanding an apology for horrible abuse of a woman they made physically and emotionally ill. Not so bad for someone who supports that kind of thing - I hope you're proud about that. I'd be ashamed,myself.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
272. I thought we were talking about abuse on this board
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:13 PM
Sep 2014

and was limited to that.

Now you're on the paid shill thing.

You're the really hostile one here.

You are claiming to be a real life victim of domestic violence yet arguing against feminist points on the message board? And when you were called this terrible thing like enabler what was the issue?

The feminists here are not that confrontative as people threatening them on Discussionist are.



Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
363. What feminist points is polly arguing against?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:07 AM
Sep 2014

While I didn't see the posts polly's referring to, I can't think of anything sicker and more abusive than someone calling a person they know is a rape victim a rape-enabler. That behaviour, which is emotional abuse, should result in a nuke.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
367. He/she can't find one, because one doesn't exist. Just more lies to score points for the club.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:21 AM
Sep 2014

And yeah,that was pretty sick alright.

Some are soooooo pissed because certain survivors of DV and rape here refuse to play victim for the rest of our lives and push all the hate we feel for the ones deserving it onto the majority, who would no more hurt a woman than anyone else. in fact they've been MUCH kinder. And hey treestar,that's WHY I and other women were called some of those names - anger at sticking up for good people who've never even hinted at anything but respect for women. That doesn't play as well here for some and their attempts to divide and demean anyone who doesn't bow down to them. Get it? Good.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
368. I'm suspecting they didn't read my post further down. Or maybe they did...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:33 AM
Sep 2014

Just in case they didn't, this is for them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5472754


I'm also getting annoyed at the posts in this sub-thread that have told you yr angry and hostile. Suddenly that 'tone' argument that I see used regularly doesn't apply when it comes to other women and feminists? btw, I'm going to PM you something. I'd rather not post it as I suspect it'll have the Voldermort effect, and I'd rather not take the risk

polly7

(20,582 posts)
369. I thank you very much for posting what you did, but in all sincerity, it doesn't make one bit
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:49 AM
Sep 2014

of difference to me what they think. I am fucking angry, and yes, hostile to insensitive, lying assholes - more-so for the other good women here they've hurt and laughed at, made to feel like crap and yet turned it all around to them being the big bad bogeymen while the ones doing it revel in playing victim. But, that's what they enjoy most of all. When someone dares to tell their own story - we're expressing 'victimhood', it's warped. As are those who support it. 'Sisters!' indeed!

Response to boston bean (Reply #122)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
153. I guess you have NO idea how horrible and triggering those names we were called were.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:55 PM
Aug 2014

Live through it, then get accused of being part of instigating and enabling it. Good try, indeed.

Response to polly7 (Reply #153)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
156. It takes two to tango ....... shame you have no wise words for those doing the
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:05 AM
Sep 2014

hurting.

But......... as long as you feelgood about it,that's what counts,eh?

Response to polly7 (Reply #156)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
170. You have NO idea.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:36 AM
Sep 2014

I've taken more shit and watched others being hurt beyond words for so long I really couldn't care less if I 'reconciled'with a group able and willing to treat people like crap at all. It's like making up to an abuser who's made you feel like a nothing who's actually deserved what you got. You want to be best buds with some group like that - go for it. I got sick of the bullying,mean girl shit in junior high. I'm so over it, it's not even something I worry about. But I sure won't back down when I see it happen again,and again and again. So you be nice and forgiving, I have someone who I care deeply about that just a few months ago was demanded of an apology for her own abuse! Screw that noise. Lecture those who did it .............. hint - it wasn't me.

Response to polly7 (Reply #170)

Response to polly7 (Reply #170)

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
211. Polly posts in the Women's Rights & Issues group.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:46 AM
Sep 2014

polly7

(20,582 posts)
254. Yeah, he's been following me around with all that made-up crap.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:51 AM
Sep 2014

Another member of the club I'm supposed to be grateful for for the offer of an olive branch.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
265. you seem to prefer continuing hostility
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:58 AM
Sep 2014

and victimhood. What's wrong with an olive branch. Not taking it makes a person look a certain way.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
267. You seem to be following me around now with complete crap.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:00 PM
Sep 2014

Am I on some kind of get-rid of list in your group?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
268. you really don't like being responded to do you
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:02 PM
Sep 2014

and how paranoid can you get with that comment?

I respond to things as the spirit moves me. I'm not allowed to respond more than once to any given poster?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
270. Sorry, I don't 'play' victim, sadly, for you - apparently,
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:08 PM
Sep 2014

I also don't keep quiet about abuse. Here, or anywhere else. Are you the type of person who believes only some women deserve to be free of it? Or that certain women who don't tow the bully line 'deserve it'? I've heard and been on the receiving end of that ugly implication many times. Sorry, but that olive branch has thorns an inch long. A bit of honesty, admittance and genuine acceptance for how hurtful and triggering that all was for many women .........not just me, would go a long way,but so far .......... it's still all our fault,and the instigators of this shit are the victims. The biggest, most convincing thing for me would be an apology to the person who was bullied, harassed and hounded for weeks, had her private info stolen to pass around and dismiss her as incapable because she stood up for people who couldn't, and yet just months ago blamed for it and even demanded an apology for 'making' it happen. Typical abuser behaviour. THAT would be showing at least a tiny bit of good faith. But it won't happen here, ever. Nothing changes. And .......... who really gives a * what you think about what I and others have been through and were dissed about on this board or any other? Not me!!!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
275. Well go on being the victim of these terrible feminists I guess
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:14 PM
Sep 2014

I've never seen any feminist here assert that any women deserves abuse. That's an outlandish claim.



polly7

(20,582 posts)
290. And frankly ..........
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:38 PM
Sep 2014

I think your giddy accusations of 'victimhood' to any woman who's been in a DV situation and raped and nearly killed is one of the most sickening things I've ever read. There were women here who had it much worse than me, on the thread they talked about it, they were mocked. So, take your 'victimhood' crap and .... you know what to do with it.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
212. Honestly, C.D., just stop this fucking shit. ENOUGH.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:50 AM
Sep 2014

I don't know what your deal is tonight, I really don't. But enough of the false accusations. Enough of the bullying, etc. STOP.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
371. Kudos, polly7. Well said.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:46 AM
Sep 2014

This is just a public note of thanks for your efforts in this sub-thread.

I want to thank you, and msanthrope, and sabrina1, and Gothmog, and Ms. Toad, and Violet_Crumble, and Cleita for making the arguments that the plumbing with which I was born prohibits me from making.

Thank you.



-Laelth

polly7

(20,582 posts)
373. Thank you Laelth.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:55 AM
Sep 2014

In all honesty ......... I just got angry! lol. And my hand is messed up so I really didn't do a very good job,it's tiring - but I'd like to thank all of those women too who've seen it and aren't afraid to speak out. Sincerely, thank you for your support. This stuff just gets crazy.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
374. I, for one, am glad you got angry.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:02 AM
Sep 2014

Personally, I'm a little afraid to speak out. There are a number of people here who would like to see me banned from this site permanently. As such, there are certain things I can not say--because I value my membership here, and I would like to continue to be a contributing member of this community.

You, on the other hand, have much more courage. And you rock!



-Laelth

polly7

(20,582 posts)
375. I have a whole group wanting me gone lol.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:13 AM
Sep 2014

I can't imagine why anyone would want you gone, I would miss your posts a lot - there are many people here I've learned so much from and you're one of them. Being banned by juries for disagreeing never seemed this bad before, sometimes I wonder just what is making it so bad. Please don't ever leave!

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
377. Aww ...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:18 AM
Sep 2014

That's probably the nicest thing that anyone has ever said to me on DU.



Thanks. You made my day.

-Laelth

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
335. I find this post to be dismissive of polly7, which you may not have intended.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:05 PM
Sep 2014

If you truly want to move forward with polly7, then my suggestion is that you draw a very clear, bright line as to what is acceptable woman-to-woman critique, and enforce it in the group where you are the primary moderator.

Frankly, the posts in question---ones where polly7 has pointed out that some women were likened to dogs, and rape-enablers--by other women who are still welcomed in HoF, remain a stain. Your rather long list of banned persons puts paid to the idea that you don't have control over anyone----because you sure as shit can ban who you like from HoF.

You've banned people from HoF for making far less inflammatory remarks than this---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

And you've banned people from HoF for making remarks you didn't like outside of HoF.

Response to msanthrope (Reply #335)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
379. I personally witnessed an attack on Polly by one of her 'sisters' AFTER she explained that
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:47 AM
Sep 2014

she was a victim of rape. THAT was disgusting. I give her credit for not leaving a site where that stood without challenge frankly. The compassion was not there for her, a rape victim, not even any attempt to show compassion.

There was no outrage, just a personal attack. Sure taught me where not to speak about anything personal, had I thought of doing so.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
182. Sickening as in threatening to rape people
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:52 AM
Sep 2014

In graphic detail, as the links in the OP demonstrate.

Polly, provide links for those allegations. If you have been insulted so many times, it should not be difficult to provide proof. You have never provided proof when I have asked you to do so in the past, yet you continue to make allegations you cannot substantiate.

Is your contention that feminist's who disagree with you are worse than a man on Discussionist who threatens to rape and kill women? You see the OP, yet you choose to attack those same women. Is that what you consider "doing something"?

It does not appear to me that your statement about caring for all humans is true. If that were the case, you would not turn around and attack women in a threat that is about threats against their lives. Do you realize that we are human beings? Is disagreeing with you so terrible that threats to us do not matter?

I would not in a million years respond to rape threats against you or any human being on this planet as you have here. I can't begin to imagine how it's possible to think like you do. Can you really think our lives are worth so little just because we don't hold the same views you do?

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
185. Results
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:27 AM
Sep 2014

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person sees women on DU have been threatened with rape, and her response is to attack those same women. She makes a series of baseless allegations for which she consistently refuses to provide proof. That she does so in defense of a site where a man has just threatened three DUers by name with rape is OTT. What kind of person thinks this way? How can this be considered acceptable behavior?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:00 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
289. It is fun confronting these idiots
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
Sep 2014

I love using facts against the idiot conservatives. They can not deal with facts

polly7

(20,582 posts)
292. I don't comment on internal gov't policy issues of the U.S.,but I enjoy watching them get
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:40 PM
Sep 2014

educated.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
317. I can attest to that myself, btw.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:45 PM
Sep 2014

Many indoctrinaire conservatives simply will not listen to ANY facts that contradict their worldview.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
39. Yeah, me too.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:41 PM
Aug 2014

For all the problems we may have at this site, with our local SJWs, hardcore radfems, hardcore anti-Israel people, etc.(and, mind you, this is coming from a feminist supportive of genuine Social Justice goals who does criticize the Israeli government for it's own wrongs!) occasionally running amuck.....even with that, I know for a fact that we are definitely still better behaved than the other place, by a long shot(even our most far-out denizens can't really come close to matching the worst & wackiest of Discussionist).

Because we, as a whole, are decent, respectful people who do try to get along. We don't tolerate or accept racism, misogyny, etc.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
51. His name was vashta nerada here, he racked up just under 4000
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:47 PM
Aug 2014

posts before he was banned (for threatening someone with rape via PMif I recall).He claims he has an account here,although I think he's lying about that.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
102. we're just being played.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:54 PM
Aug 2014

Doncha know he has the truth. Like religious zealots who listen to no reason. Yes, it's frustrating as hell. Its like talking to someone with their fingers in their ears.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
110. don't feel sorry. try to realize
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:23 PM
Aug 2014

Why one would feel that way. If you are really an ally you wouldn't be dissing hot and feminists and aa's.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
113. I mentioned that particular clique(notice I only said a FEW, btw?) for a reason.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:27 PM
Aug 2014

Furthermore, you should know quite clearly by now that I have never attacked (or ever would attack) feminists(considering that I'm one myself, too!), or AA's as a whole. Don't you think I would have been booted from this site by now, if that was true?

Feel free to continue this via DU Mail if you'd like, but I can't afford to spend that much more time on this in the public sphere.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
222. Here are more violins played, hope you enjoy the performance, I really do!
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:53 AM
Sep 2014

I just love "Serenade for Strings"!


Response to cyberswede (Reply #97)

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
183. I think that's a sandwich, like a BLT
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:54 AM
Sep 2014

Salami and Jack cheese on White -- many people like to add a little TBH sauce as well. A "radfem" is a large radish, like a daikon but not as thick.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
157. Jury Results, 1-6 Leave
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Hardcore radfems are ruining DU! Who knew!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:08 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He didn't say that. Really, he didn't. If anything will ruin DU, it's far more likely kneejerk alerts will do it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He wasn't calling anyone out, or saying that one specific group was ruining DU, he was just pointing out a couple groups that do have some supporters who take a rather extreme stance on the subject since both are currently being widely discussed in GD.

So, really, I don't see anything wrong with his post.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give it a break........... not bannable in my opinion.
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Explanation: Alerting over something like this is idiotic. Making up paranoid reasons, even worse!
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Explanation: this guy is a TROLL!!!! please admins! ban his concerned ass

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
33. well, they will have something to do with you.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:33 PM
Aug 2014

That site is owned by the same owners of this site, and many of them have accts here. And they openly strategize trolling du feminists at du.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
342. .......
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:49 PM
Sep 2014


I guess they forget it was memorialized here with quotes, even, months ago. Just a tad late for all of us who knew what was going on long ago.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
364. Now if only they'd thought of that when they first created a forum to spew transphobic shit...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 06:21 AM
Sep 2014

Not to mention the strategising to try to get DUers nuked and to help their nuked troll friends get back onto DU and disrupt yet again..

Here's the GD thread that polly's talking about below...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024787933

btw, since the OP brought Discussionist over here, rather than create a whole new OP about something said over there and fill GD with even more OPs about somewhere else that gets talked about as though it's here, I thought I'd just plonk it here and be unassuming. The timing of this post I saw and the very belated password protecting of that other forum was interesting...

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=36767

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
384. The post you linked to discredits you.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:55 PM
Sep 2014

It explains fully in context what happened -- something that is left out from "your side" for fairly obvious reasons.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
388. How exactly does a post that someone else wrote discredit me?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:03 AM
Sep 2014

I'd love to hear what context yr aware of from back then, long before you joined DU, that I wasn't aware of. Or do you just blindly believe everything you read in that post? Me, I saw bits that were true and I can vouch for, and bits that weren't true, as well as being incredibly dismissive and nasty towards feminists at DU who didn't follow the rigid version of feminism that Iverglas did.

While yr at it, how about you fill me in on what you think 'my side' is or was. This should be interesting...

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
390. LOL
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:06 AM
Sep 2014

Nice try. But that post on the Discussionist website that you linked to discounts all the emotional pablum that is used to spam threads here trying to disparage certain posters.

These posters are followed around over and over and over again and the same emotional knashing of teeth is brought up by the same people, which makes the site unreadable. You don't have to be here very long to see the obvious stalking...

Now iverglas has put it all into place for me and satisfied a curiousity I've had for a while. BTW, your little dealio with quinnox here kind of reduces your, let's just say, your "objectivity" to the point where I wouldn't consider you very credible. And that post you linked to from DI confirmed that, as well.

Again, thanks for the link.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
391. Seeing you didn't answer anything you were asked, it wasn't that great of a try...
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:27 AM
Sep 2014

So I'll ignore the white noise and try it again. You joined DU long after the stuff Iverglas is talking about in her post. It appears you've taken it all as solid gold truth, but I was here when it all went down, and I know there's stuff in there she said that's true and other stuff that isn't. That's not to say she's lying. I know she believes every word she says. While I agree with her on most other issues, the way she dismisses feminists who don't adhere to her rigid view of feminism as not being feminists is a stance I find incredibly divisive and wrong.

I'll ask again. What did you find so compelling in her post? All of it? Maybe not the bits where she dismissed some really good DU feminists as not really being feminists? See, the thing is me and many other DUers read what was posted at that duckies board, and there was transphobia there. The timing of the very belated password protecting of it and that post was interesting, and that's all I was pointing out when you swooped on me...

I'm not on any side, btw. But I'd still like to know what 'side' you think I was, or am on. I doubt I'll get any sort of civil response, let alone an answer to the question, but I figure it's always worth a try....

p.s. there's one bit of white noise that stuck out as being totally off. What's with the 'little delio' crap? That reeks of not knowing what the hell happened, and not caring one iota what actually did happen. Not a good look on yr part....

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
49. which will of course...
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:46 PM
Aug 2014

end up making Feminists here inadvertently more hostile to supporters... I hate false flag crap.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
86. See post 33 for a better understanding.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:27 PM
Aug 2014

If that doesn't clarify it, then I will not be able to assist you.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
32. Good lord!
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:33 PM
Aug 2014

I am not easily offended, and I use some vile language at times, but that post scares me....and I am not one of the posters who he/she would be after.

I suppose that it is a good idea to keep the criminally insane out of DU and over there.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
43. This. Just this.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:43 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:47 AM - Edit history (1)

What has me really uneasy is, if he's like that on the Internet, who knows if he might be an extreme asshole in real life, too? Unfortunately, some people are just like that. Look at that asshole "War Machine", who knocked up his girlfriend, or some of the various hardcore MRA blogs out there(Heartiste, RooshV, DalRock, and others).....

On edit: BTW, I didn't mean "knock up" as in got her pregnant.....I meant, as in, he beat the fucking crap outta her.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
63. I have no doubt that this person is an extreme asshole IRL.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:07 PM
Aug 2014

You cannot have that much anger over a discussion board, and not be easy to set off. But I do think that most people are freer to vocalize the hate that they have online. This much rage, and this poster will be in prison if they are willing to act on it.


tblue37

(65,403 posts)
202. War Machine did NOT "knock up " (I.e., impregnate) his girlfriend.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:04 AM
Sep 2014

What he did was beat her half to death.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
203. True; that's what I'd meant by "knock up". Sorry for the imperfect wording on my end.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:08 AM
Sep 2014

Hope the authorities find and catch that P.O.S.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
205. I figured as much--but anyone who had not read
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:11 AM
Sep 2014

about that situation would have been misled by your phrasing into thinking he had just got her pregnant, and would wonder why that was anything like what that jerk's profile was saying.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
208. True. Perhaps I can edit what I wrote?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:17 AM
Sep 2014

Whatever the case, what he did to her was just plain fucking wrong. And I do hope the bastard gets a LONG prison sentence for what he did.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
210. Good idea--you edit, but put the "on edit" in the post, while leaving the original
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:45 AM
Sep 2014

post as is. Otherwise this little exchange of ours will make us sound like gibberish spouting goofballs, heh, heh, heh.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
45. they are here. this poster is here.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:44 PM
Aug 2014

They openly strategize trolling du feminists at that site.

I don't know who he is now, but he was the now banned vashta nerada .

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
34. This reminded me why I haven't been back to Discussionist since
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:34 PM
Aug 2014

the first week after it started.
And it was nowhere near as bad as what is shown above.

This is not why I come to blogs and forums.
I guess it takes all kinds, but I don't need to hang around filth.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
41. Yea, it's an electronic dumbster fire
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:42 PM
Aug 2014

Not sure why skinner and crew haven't taken it down. There's some bad shit happening over there, and the jury system reinforces it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
233. yeah, discussionist generates page hits. it works by attracting
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:20 AM
Sep 2014

psychopathic bigots and wannabe rapists.

that's what having no objective standards achieves--a race to the bottom

they don't even ban for rape threats there. creating a sock is considered a much more serious offense.

that certainly does not reflect my values, we obviously disagree.

I certainly would never dismiss concerns over rape threats by breezily telling a woman "don't read it" but as we have seen some people tend to blame women who speak out while of course never speaking out against such stuff themselves.



 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
56. more ads about impeaching Obama, more $$$. it won't be taken down
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:56 PM
Aug 2014

until it's a ghost town. I would recommend any decent person just not go there at all and let the toilet ring scum there play by themselves.

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
59. I think we need to take the blinders off and understand that DU and DI exist to make
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:57 PM
Aug 2014

money - no principles or ethics involved. They are businesses.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
53. Why I don't go there. Sexist, condescending, pretentious shit-stirring trolls
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:51 PM
Aug 2014

don't appeal to me and we get enough of it on DU. They exist to harrass women. It's sport to them. See Elliott Roger and PUA/MRA rhetoric.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
61. If those assholes weren't there, they'd be here
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:59 PM
Aug 2014

Ours are quite bad enough. I think of Discussionist as a troll preserve where those who want to tease the wildlife are allowed to do so.

applegrove

(118,684 posts)
65. Anywhere there are GOP forum members they try and destroy
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:08 PM
Aug 2014

any intelligent, thoughtful discussion. Good information is the enemy of the right.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
72. easy for you to say if you arent the one being trolled, having rape threats.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:14 PM
Aug 2014

And them strategizing trolling you here on du, isn't it.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
74. Because the problem isn't psychos threatening to rape women
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:17 PM
Aug 2014

they don't like on the internet,the problem is women speaking out about it.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
125. Did I say that?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:40 PM
Aug 2014

No, I didn't. The point I'm making is that as much as we might like to, we can't control everything everywhere on the Internet.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
278. I think it's worth while knowing what's out there
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:20 PM
Sep 2014

Don't like it don't go there implies we should dismiss it. One does not have to spend a lot of time there but can realize what's going on there.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
224. I gotta agree
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:08 AM
Sep 2014

I don't know how Skinner, et al can possibly eliminate all the trolls.

How can they possibly?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
309. Er, can you point to one of my posts in which I threatened to rape someone?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:22 PM
Sep 2014

Your post should probably be alerted, and you PPR'd for saying that a 13-year DUer is "very similar" to that poster. But I realize these group hand-wringing and sob sessions and vanity posts are crucial to the well-being of the HoF, so I will leave it.

But I am going to bookmark this baby, and if you ever again accuse me or any other long time DUers of being rapists, I will make it my business to get you suspended.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
328. Nice try
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:17 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Reading is fundamental.

Of course I did no such thing. Look up the word "attitude" (specifically of the hostile variety) after you bookmark, kay?

Please point out where I accused you of being a "rapist."

I've been here for a damn minute myself, partner. Your hostile threats don't faze me in the least.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
281. not as bad as discussionist, as DU is limited to Democrats and liberals
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

but even so there have been misogynists here.

edbermac

(15,941 posts)
88. Asshole teabaggers who think they are funny.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:32 PM
Aug 2014

I alerted on the doctor but a few people were ahead of me in that line. Some racist Ferguson posters were bounced as well.

And 7.62fullmetaljacket is now appropriately "in a world of shit"

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
98. yeah the reason he get banned from DI is because
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:52 PM
Aug 2014

he created a sock.

How reassuring. And he's here too. Wonderful.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
101. What's his name here?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:54 PM
Aug 2014

Do we know or is he undercover? Surely the admins can trace his IP from Discussionist and see if it matches a logged IP at DU.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
104. well, he was a previous banned member vashta nerada,
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:55 PM
Aug 2014

And he states he is here. I tend to believe him.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
99. I've Been a Regular Poster Over There
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:52 PM
Aug 2014

I'm City Kitty. I was hoping for a good dialog with conservatives, but it has been pretty disappointing so far.

It has become much worse in the past week or two: deliberate trolling, thread hijacking, blatant insults, crap like that. The worst part is what they call "jury swarming." That's where reichwingers vote to hide or leave alone based on one's politics, NOT the post in question. If a liberal made the post, they vote to hide. If one of the gang made the post, they vote to leave it alone, no matter how vile it is.

Yes, there have been complaints about the slanted jury system. I started a thread in help because of a comment made by another juror about an alerted post. None of the mods acknowledged my thread at all - and that isn't the only time. The only defense is to make a jury blacklist: 5 posters that you don't want to be on a jury voting on your post. I have not seen an announcement about it and I found it quite by chance. Needless to say, I filled my list with a hope that it would take more names (it won't, dangit).

On the good side, there is a smaller number of posters over there and I remember names better (hi, Miss Quay and Gr8Days and several more!) better than I can over here. Some names I recognize from DU (like Mr Scorpio).

So far, this experiment is careening towards failure. The mods desperately need to rein in some of the trolls and frankly bad posters. They also need to communicate with us more. A thread or two per week can't be too much to ask.

I don't blame DUers for avoiding Discussionist. I've been on no-holds-barred message boards before and idiots are nothing new. Discussionist is different because of how reichwingers gang up on anyone who doesn't agree with them and cheer on their nastiness.

The whole tone here is much better.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
120. Then don't go there. It is that simple.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:35 PM
Aug 2014

And if you go there and find things that are offensive, don't bring them here. That is kind of the point of having a separate site - it is separate.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
123. I think I see your point, TBH.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:38 PM
Aug 2014

But we have, unfortunately, had a few problems with these guys coming here and attacking us, as I've heard. It may not be a widespread problem yet, but I don't think it would hurt for these concerns to be addressed, that's for sure.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
137. There is nothing that the general population in this site can do
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:09 PM
Aug 2014

to prevent those guys from coming over here - any more than we could prevent members from the conservative cave, or free republic, or the old elm tree, ad nauseum from coming here and attacking us.

The only ones who can take any action are the admins - so a general thread in DU doesn't address the concerns any more than a general thread in GD bemoaning any of the other perpetual trolls who come here and attack us.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
314. That's the point
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:36 PM
Sep 2014

All that can be done is what EarlG did - ban it at the first available sign. And to those who are so offended - don't go there, and if that's not enough of a protest, stop your contributions to the owners. If the post is actually a credible call to violence, or if you actually feel threatened, report it to the proper authorities.

Though why you'd want to give the boot to an OET poster I can't fathom. Liberals should be welcomed here. But that's a different thread.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
124. get back to me when you are getting rape threats by posters over there who post here.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:39 PM
Aug 2014

Easy to say this when you aren't the target. Thanks for the support.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
134. I've been the target here, by the same kind of troll
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:04 PM
Aug 2014

making just as vile threats of rape and murder. That troll was banned, repeatedly, here - as was the troll over there threatening rape. And every single one of his posts threatening rape was hidden 7-0. Clearly the board over there, as a whole, does not support rape threats.

The acts of an individual troll there no more represents the site as a whole than do the acts of an individual troll over here. When individuals over there make threats, take it to the admins over there - just as you should take individual threats over here to admins over here.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
135. Did anyone ever just tell you to just ignore and don't come here if you, don't like it.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:07 PM
Aug 2014

I'm sorry, but your response was hurtful. Really wasn't something that I expected from you.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
158. The discussionist is a place where the full range of political opinion can be discussed.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:11 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:29 AM - Edit history (1)

The rape threats you were complaining about were the actions of a hateful individual, of which there are many on the internet including both on discussionist and here on DU. In response to that vile hatred, Discussionist members (1) unanimously hid the posts and (2) the admins banned the poster. In other words, the actions that can be attributed to Discussionist in response to the misogyny were exactly what should have happened.

But instead of acknowledging that discussionist responded appropriately to extreme misogyny, you dragged the individual troll's actions over here to slam discussionist and attributed to discussionist the actions that were universally condemned by discussionist members and admins. That is the equivalent of blasting DU because the death threat guy signs up repeatedly and occasionally manages to post even more vile stuff here before being sent back into oblivion.

The threats shouldn't have been made. They were vile and unacceptable - and unquestionably mysogynistic. But they are the actions of an individual troll, not discussionist - and discussionist responded appropriately and unanimously.

I happen to think that it is important to have places where conversations across the political spectrum can take place. Discussionist is not perfect - it was bound to attract trolls from both sides who like stirring sh*t, and it has. But there are also some good conversations which happen there. I expect there will be more -and I get pretty fed up with people who clearly aren't interested in those conversations posting a thread a day or so here slamming the effort.

If discussionist had not responded appropriately, I would still think you should address it on discussionist - not here. But I would have been more sympathetic - it was slamming discussionists (as one more in a never ending series of threads slamming discussionist) for the vile actions of a troll to which discussionist responded appropriately that bothered me.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
301. I feel sad for you.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:20 PM
Sep 2014

BainsBane, Boston Bean, and a fair number of other DUers (self included) have been consistently pointing out the increase in sexism and misogyny on DU. The DI trolls are the ones who've "brought" this particular issue to DU. Those of us discussing it here should not be met with derision. Please stop.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
305. Misogyny is rampant here - and has been for a very long time.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:35 PM
Sep 2014

I have been speaking out about it for a very long time. It is not the discussionist trolls who have brought the issue to DU. It is, unfortunately, a homegrown, and one the admins here have consistently refused to acknowledge or address. If you plow back through ATA from well more than a year ago, you will find more than one rather heated conversation between me and Skinner on the matter, in which he denied the existence of a problem and then ultimately stopped responding.

But as to the source, go find the most vocal misogynists and take a look at the DU enrollment date of the worst offenders. Virtually all, if not all, of them predate the creation of discussionist.

Beyond that, if you believe individual trolls from discussionist are bringing the issue to DU, identify them to the admins and ask them to ban them from DU. They said early on that that would be the one potential exception to the separation between the two sites.

"DU members will not get banned from DU because of something they post on Discussionist. I can only imagine one exception: If someone on Discussionist admits that they are trolling Democratic Underground -- and if we have rock-solid proof that they are in fact same person -- then we will ban that person from Democratic Underground as an admitted troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10133832#post20

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
126. Here's what I saw
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:43 PM
Aug 2014

I saw a vile misogynist get booted from a discussion forum in the space of four posts, with only 36 minutes elapsing between the first post being posted and the last one getting hidden.

The first post was made at 6:21 PM, the fourth 6:31 PM. The four posts were alerted between 6:24 PM and 6:35 PM, with the last Jury concluding at 6:57 PM.

All four Juries voted 7-0 to HIDE -- in other words, the troll was shut down 28-0. Due to an earlier hide, this rendered him suspended and unable to post.

To recap: on a Sunday evening, on a holiday weekend, on a discussion forum with no ideological boundaries, no moderators, and not even any real rules to speak of regarding conduct, a misogynist troll was ejected in 36 minutes, by the unanimous consent of 28 randomly-selected members.

How is that a failure of the system? How is it a bad thing that a discussion forum with an exceedingly diverse membership just unanimously removed a misogynist from their community without needing rules to tell them what to do or moderators to do it for them?

And why are you continuing to give this dope publicity? He had a previous hide, he was suspended, at which point the only thing he could do was scrawl all over his profile page like it was a bathroom wall. And then, like all trolls, he created a sock-puppet account and was perma-banned. This most recent incarnation of his is well and truly toast, and it happened in short order.

In order to even read that crap he wrote, you have to jump through the following hoops:

1. Go to a different website
2. Create an account at that website
3. Log in to the website
4. Click on the member's profile page

Except, not any more because for some reason it is now also posted over here on DU as well.

Thanks for that.

By the way his (short-lived) DU sock was banned earlier today.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
129. What would I like?
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:50 PM
Aug 2014

Deal with the issue of persons stalking and strategizing the trolling of feminists from the home base that is called discussionist.

There's plenty of evidence over there in the open for you to determine that it is the case and it is indeed happening.

Secondly, what was the reason for that posters ban? Was it for rape threats in his profile of HoF members here? Was it for misogyny?

No, it was for creating a sock.

So, what would I like? I would like to see misogyny taken seriously by the admins here at a DU, and make this a place where women can post without this crap.

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
136. But the only reason this crap is here is because you posted it here
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:07 PM
Aug 2014

It wasn't here until you did that, was it?

The reason for the poster's ban on Discussionist: yes, it for was creating a sock, and that's because there are pretty much only two ways to get perma-banned from Discussionist: spamming, or creating a sock. Other than that, the membership decides who can and can't post there via the Jury system.

As for the issue of persons stalking and strategizing the trolling of feminists: well, this dude did it and got caught and he was banned from DU. Unfortunately he'll probably do it again. If you want me to preemptively stop him from doing it again, you're pretty much asking me to solve the global trolling crisis.

The old advice about not feeding trolls is still the best advice. This thread being exhibit A of doing the exact opposite.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
140. No, they are here Earl. They are strategizing stalking feminists in hope of getting jury hides.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:15 PM
Aug 2014

They post here. It wasn't just this one that got caught being a sock tonight who was obviously very much a true misogynist. We've been graced with his presence for years. And there are others. You really think they just stay over there.

You want women to just ignore rape threats?

When are you folks going to please listen to many of your members at DU that there is a problem here.

Some effort of at least trying to understand the issue instead of avoiding or not believing it exists. That type of response makes it very difficult for feminists to post on this board. It makes it feel even more hostile, when the persons who own the site won't even acknowledge there is a problem.

You can't possibly blame persons, other than those doing it. This issue needs sunshine and disinfectant, it doesn't need to be ingored like it doesn't exist.

You folks do have the power to make it a bit better. It wasn't always this bad.

ETA, I can't believe you are making me out to be the bogeyman for posting this here. It is something that affected me personally and it was about my participation on DU. Like my posting was a worse offense than the actual rape threats. That is how your responses are making me feel.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
194. No he's not. He's pointing out the bleeding obvious...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:13 AM
Sep 2014

Trolls thrive on being fed and reacting to them is giving them exactly what they want. So dragging stuff from another forum over to DU and giving that troll a massive dose of attention is doing the exact opposite of what people should do. EarlG's right. The juries at discussionist behaved in a way that no-one should be attacking them for and unanimously voted to hide every single one of those posts and show that troll the door. And when admin saw it, they banned the troll. I'm not sure how they're supposed to have reacted differently, nor why they're being attacked for it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
235. he was not banned for the rape threats.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:40 AM
Sep 2014

that is not considered a bannable offense there.

he was banned for the much more grave offense of creating a sock puppet.

if a site does not ban for rape threats, people will feel empowered to do so.

The reason for the poster's ban on Discussionist: yes, it for was creating a sock, and that's because there are pretty much only two ways to get perma-banned from Discussionist: spamming, or creating a sock. Other than that, the membership decides who can and can't post there via the Jury system.


Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
236. Death threats wouldn't be a bannable offense either...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:01 AM
Sep 2014

EarlG said it's only spamming and sock-puppets that lead to a permanent ban. I'm not sure that such a hands off approach will work all that well, but it's their site and I'm not going to tell them how to run it. If I don't like it, I don't participate. Yahoo message boards were way less moderated even than that, and I gave up on them coz I was sick of the ugly shit I was seeing regularly. And I gave up on Discussionist coz I was seeing a lot of bigotry and racism and folk that had been nuked at DU that I really couldn't be bothered with. So, if all this had happened at DU, I'd see a reason for the OP being posted in GD. But this isn't Discussionist, it didn't happen here, and dragging it over and then talking about the problem being here is wrong, imo...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
237. Try logging out and then going to any page on DU.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:05 AM
Sep 2014

Big yellow promotional link to Discussionist on every single page at DU for anyone who is unregistered.


DU ownership has consciously decided to bind the two sites together, to treat them as affiliates.

So, yes, having a shotgun marriage between DU and a rightwing hate site is perfectly redressable to this site's ownership, as it creates issues here.

They could just ban discussion of DU and DU posters over there, but that wouldn't fit the libertarian model being employed there.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
240. Skinner and EarlG branched out into running a RW hate-site?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:18 AM
Sep 2014

I've seen a fair few hate-sites in the past, and the common theme is their purpose is to promote hate. The only thing being promoted in this case is a political site open to the Left and Right that's got juries, but doesn't have MIRT or hosts. It worked fine today from what I can see. A misogynistic troll was shown the door by successive juries, and then was given the red card by the admin. Of course, no-ones asked EarlG the question I was wondering to myself, which is what would have happened if the troll had stopped its rampage before five posts were hidden. Because I'm kind of suspecting that they would at that point have nuked their first one for something other than the two reasons they always nuke people. But no-one's asked, so we'll never know...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
242. purpose or effect, does it matter when the output is the same?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:24 AM
Sep 2014

or, what would have happened after three months?

free to unleash another volley of rape threats?

I think "don't feed the trolls" goes out the window when people start feeling unsafe. Also something of a troubling dynamic when it's men telling women to STFU and ignore it. Indicates a possible lack of empathy and understanding.

There is no website where everyone can feel equally welcome. It's a matter of deciding who gets made to feel unwelcome.

at some point trolling rises to the level of harassment, threatening, and gaslighting. Barrage women with his toxic garbage, and eventually the women will snap and say something, heaven forbid, uncivil or strongly worded, then the woman is the problem.


Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
244. Well, DTG's had a thing for DU for a long time...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:31 AM
Sep 2014

There's been a few times he's slipped past MIRT and PM'd death threats to DUers and even at times posted them. And he's nuked as a repeat disruptor. I don't think that makes DU a hate site where everyone should feel uncomfortable, anymore than it makes Discussionist a hate site where women are unwelcome. I'm a woman and I don't feel unwelcome here or at Discussionist. There's a few people here I refuse to engage with because they as individuals have made things unpleasant for me, and I suspect if I hung out longer at Discussionist, the same would happen there, but I've never felt unsafe either here or at Discussionist. I've felt like my brain's going to start oozing out my ears at some of the crap I read, but that's about it.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
247. Not that it's a deal-breaker, but I ran into Iverglas and Feldspar over there a while back...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:53 AM
Sep 2014

I can't imagine they could survive without posts about feminism. But I've posted on quite a few forums where no-one discussed feminism. I figure that just like at DU, people at Discussionist will talk about it if they want to and not talk about it if they don't want to. If you gave me a choice between talking about feminism, the I/P conflict, or making a list of the 20 greatest albums of the 90's, the latter would win by a mile, closely followed by I/P, with feminism a distant third...

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
261. plenty of places to talk about great albums. progressive discussion sites
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:33 AM
Sep 2014

are pretty rare, and in most cases deeply compromised.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
361. I manage to do that here, which is a progressive discussion site...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 05:58 AM
Sep 2014

I don't think DU's deeply compromised at all. Sometimes it annoys me, and at times it's bored me. Most of the time I'm fine with it, though. During the annoyed or bored times, I've wandered off and always returned. With Discussionist, I know a few good DUers who post over there, and I ventured back there today to have a look round. I figured if people are going to start threads about it here in GD, I may as well cut out the middle man and go have a look for myself

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
238. What you are not understanding is that the owners of this site are
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:07 AM
Sep 2014

allowing members of another site they own, to stalk, harass, disrupt feminist members of this site out in open threads. They allow misogynistic comments and commentary intended to feed into more stalking of a certain group here where plans are laid out.

I'm not telling you to go over there. I don't usually go over there. But you can choose to believe what I am telling you is the truth.

So, when you say it is not happening here. Well, it may not be happening to you personally here at DU, but it is here and it is affecting a group here at DU. Via members there with accounts here setting their plans in motion to harass and stalk feminists at this site.

Yeah, the admin here can do something about that.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
357. I wish I could say your position on this matter suprises me
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:37 AM
Sep 2014

but sadly it is in keeping with your posting history.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
145. We don't ban for rape threats.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:25 PM
Aug 2014

That's quite an operation you've got going over there,you must be so proud.

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
147. I didn't have to ban him for making rape threats
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:33 PM
Aug 2014

The community had already booted him before I got there.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
150. You said there are only 2 reasons for banning:
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:48 PM
Aug 2014

spamming, or creating a sock. If the community decides rape threats are OK if they're directed at someone enough of your community doesn't care for,then the rape threat stands?

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
313. So if that hadn't happened,
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

you wouldn't have banned him for threatening to rape a member of DU?

Honestly?

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
345. So I'm still wondering--
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:10 PM
Sep 2014

would you have banned him for making rape threats, if "the community hadn't already booted him"?

It's a pretty simple question, and shouldn't take all that long to answer.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
248. and the treatment that is handed out sounds like The Authorities alright
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:12 AM
Sep 2014

What did you do to deserve this - you must have done something, what were you wearing? Why did you bring it here? If you didn't say anything all would be better for everyone. All said with that pinch of contempt and anger toward the one reporting A Crime.

Overwhelmed with a sickening feeling on how these things are handled here. Where is all this good faith stuff we all keep hearing about?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
346. This whole thread has encapsulated my disgust with DU over the last few years
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:35 PM
Sep 2014

better than just about anything I could have ever hoped to type.

I am sitting here with my mouth hanging open. Though why I'm surprised is the real question.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
148. So rampant misogyny is A-OK on discussionist, but creating a sock is a capital offense.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:34 PM
Aug 2014

You know what? No need to feed the trolls when they have a DU admin-sanctioned place to troll so long as they don't sock up.

You're better than this, EarlG.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
304. I don't know, Gormy Cuss...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:31 PM
Sep 2014

It doesn't appear so.

I am disgusted by the derisive, belittling responses I'm seeing.

I've been here for a decade now, and I've only recently begun limiting my time on DU because of the marked increase in sexism and misogyny--and the BRUTAL FACT that the admins look the other way.

This guy was beyond the pale, so I'm not surprised that he got banned. However, there are many, many more here and at DI who couch their misogyny in weasel posts, trying to be clever enough to avoid a hide or a time-out. And, there are some who try to goad certain feminists into posting something that might get hidden. Why does this not warrant a change in the TOS?!?

I'll never understand that.

I continue to read n2doc, SCE, xchrome, and a handful of others (hi, Paul), but I don't recommend this forum, and I don't participate as much anymore.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
251. So the site rules seriously consider sock accounts to be a worse offense than rape threats?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:23 AM
Sep 2014

Are you saying that The Doctor would have been allowed back after 90 days if he had not created a sock account?

If this is the case then it seems the site policy is that each person is allowed five rape threats every 90 days, maybe a few more if some of them withstand the jury system. After a person makes those five rape threats they need to take a short break, but as long as they don't make any sock accounts during that break they are welcome to come back and make more rape threats later.

If this is truly Disscussionist's policy then I think you really need to reconsider what kind of a site you are running.

kickitup

(355 posts)
259. The reason this crap is here is because you have promoted that site on this one . . .
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:30 AM
Sep 2014

You wanted that site to get attention . . . well it has. I went over there last night after reading through all of this and they are "cray-cray" with their obsession in regard to DU, admitting in the open that they are gaming the system here and celebrating the fact that they took down RedQueen.

You don't get to invite everyone over there and then blame others when they discover and share how it is. I'm glad Boston Bean brought this out into the light. I hope everybody sees what pieces of shit get to post over there and how THEY ARE plotting and celebrating stirring the pot here at DU.

So you have taken the time to comment on this thread. Perhaps you should take the time to go comment over there and give them your sage advice about dragging crap from one forum to the other. But those are guys, so I'll wait . . . and wait.

Response to kickitup (Reply #259)

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
298. So Discussionist has minimal rules, but is run and moderated by those who participate.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:03 PM
Sep 2014

If participants think nasty stuff should be allowed, it is allowed. If they chose to not allow it, they will hide it.

It is an interesting experiment and makes me wonder if I should participate more and try to clean it up, or ignore it.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
339. EarlG, your response is, to put it mildly,
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

appalling. And I'm embarrassed for you.

I'm not going to say more, but it's rather telling that you admit, point blank, that you won't ban someone for threatening rape or violence.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
354. +1
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 12:43 AM
Sep 2014

Sorry EarlG, that is about the saddest thing I have ever seen on DU.

I hope you are able to step back and see this through fresh eyes.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
131. That vile misogynist harassed women on DU for years before finally getting banned,
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:58 PM
Aug 2014

got banned again for the same crap under a different screen name, is probably back again because he's clearly obsessed, and he was able to sign up for a forum with an overlapping userbase under the first screen name.

Where he started issuing rape threats to your long term users in good standing. Again.

No, your system doesn't work.

edit: Did you see what he was posting about sea? If somebody was posting that about you, or one of your loved ones, would you feel secure and happy and that your community was taking good care of you? Come on, you're better than that.

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
139. So what you're saying is he was banned, banned, and banned again
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:15 PM
Aug 2014

Guess what... he's probably been banned more times than that. And I can guarantee that he'll be banned again in the future.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
142. Rape threats aren't dropped toast. There's no five second rule.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:18 PM
Aug 2014

You didn't even ban the guy for threatening to ass rape an entire DU group. Because that's not a banworthy offense but having a sock is.

Let me repeat: specific and graphic rape threats directed at specific customers of your business are not a ban worthy offense. Starting a second account is.

Now tell me how your women customers are supposed to feel about that?

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
333. Great points, and I have a feeling that if those sentiments were said about ADMIN'S WIVES/GIRLFRIEND
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:09 PM
Sep 2014

/MOTHERS/SISTERS< then suddenly rape threats *would* be a bannable offense.

But not for us. Because we probably deserved it. Or something.

Plus, they were banned. What more do you want? Uppity fucking women

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
195. Just say, "yes a rape threat gets you banned and also some potential follow up with law enforcement"
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:22 AM
Sep 2014

I know you're proud of your system, but no system is good enough to justify not saying the simple words above.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
151. To blame me for showing that the other site
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:50 PM
Aug 2014

was a staging ground to plan attacks and strategize about juries and harass feminists here at DU, and rape threats upon an entire group of DU members, of which I host.

I'm getting drained here. I just can't believe it. I'm to blame and I just need to ignore.

I just can't ignore sorry. If that becomes an official rule, I won't be around for long. Think about it, the solution is to ignore..... I can't and I won't ignore it.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
132. Thanks for replying, Earl
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:58 PM
Aug 2014

I think anyone getting threatened should call the police. You admins aren't really equipped to deal with rape threats other than take appropriate measures on the internet, which obviously don't extend to real life if indeed the threats are serious.

The technological solution was, in any case and as you mentioned, handled by the Discussionist community.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
143. I think the issue
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:20 PM
Aug 2014

is that there was a broader climate of behavior leading to this. It was clear from the beginning of Discussionist that the Doctor was Vashta, the person who had previously made rape threats to a member of DU, and who hqw repeatedly expressed his hatred for women over these several months. He did not simply emerge today as a hateful misogynist. The problem, I believe, is that there is a climate in which hatred for women and especially feminists breeds. Discussionist has openly been used as a staging ground to target DU feminists and troll this site. http://www.discussionist.com/101636776 There have been threads vilifying "feminazis" for months. People have received congratulations for targeting women on DU.

This situation did not come out of nowhere. It emerged from a pervasive climate that extends beyond a single troll. The Doctor went full throttle today, but he is the same person he has been for months, the same person who threatened to rape Seabeyond several months ago, and the same person who has voiced his contempt for women since the very beginning of Discussionist. Sadly, he is far from alone in those views.

He also claims to be an active member of DU. Would an IP check enable you to know if that is actually the case?

If the policy of Discussionist is that threats of rape and violence against specific persons doesn't result in a ban, I think that is very troubling. People do sometimes act on such threats.

Response to BainsBane (Reply #143)

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
144. ot
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 11:23 PM
Aug 2014

with all due respect, Earl, I think a section of the TOS on both DU and Discusionist devoted to misogyny would be wonderful. You administrators still have the final say on who gets banned and suspended, but at least it's there in black and white for trolls to look up on Google. If people don't understand what misogyny is, then a fruitful discussion can be had on both sites. I'm not naive enough to believe that 100% of all posters will always be in 100% agreement on what the precise definition of misogyny is, but if I were running DU and Discussionist, that's what I would do.

My $0.02. Sincerely, have a good evening, sir.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
162. This person is still an active member here:
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:16 AM
Sep 2014

Laelth (19,727 posts)
33. Excellent post.

Last edited Sat May 24, 2014, 06:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I would add that there's a socio-biological purpose behind the sexual selection choices of the women who, according to the shooter, chose others over him. As I understand it, testosterone is a fierce immuno-suppressant. A man with high testosterone who survives infancy probably has a killer immune system, and women seem programed to choose males with high testosterone--most likely to pass on that killer immune system to their children. I feel sorry for women when it comes to this dynamic. They're driven by their genetic code to seek out the most vicious barbarian they can find to mate with, but then they can't live with the guy ... because he's a vicious barbarian. It's not like the shooter didn't have a point about womens' seemingly-natural sexual selection tendencies.

You rightly note, however, that most of us mature and make better choices as we age.

-Laelth

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10024995511&alert=33#post33

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #165)

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
188. One very simple question:
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:49 AM
Sep 2014

Are rape threats (or threats of violence) a banable offense here or on Discussionist? If not, that's a major problem.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
201. I'd have to agree.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:55 AM
Sep 2014

Because there are always a few men out there who will definitely take these threats and act out on them.

pecwae

(8,021 posts)
220. Yep.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:35 AM
Sep 2014

In order to even read that crap he wrote, you have to jump through the following hoops:

1. Go to a different website
2. Create an account at that website
3. Log in to the website
4. Click on the member's profile page

Except, not any more because for some reason it is now also posted over here on DU as well.


Which applies to more than Discussionist crap being brought over.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
234. Oh, good!
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:31 AM
Sep 2014

One of a plethora of puerile sexists/misogynists was actually banned!

Forgive me if I don't celebrate this rare event.



 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
264. I agree. Progressive people threatening to withholding support
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014

for DU because of what some troll said before being shut down is a win for the troll. In this particular instance, physical threats are crimes that should be reported to the proper authorities and not blamed on DU unless it can be shown unequivocally that DU condones such behavior, which would be news to me.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
273. Now there is a thread over there attacking the people who were threatened...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:14 PM
Sep 2014

A jury allowed this thread attacking the victims to stand...

http://www.discussionist.com/101637280

Do you still think the jury system is working when threads attacking people who just received rape threats are allowed?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
280. Thanks, and a suggestion.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:21 PM
Sep 2014

I appreciate (and like) that discussionist is based on discussion board unfettered by the prior restraint inherent in a TOS like DU has.

I would make an exception for illegal activity. If the behavior of a poster would constitute a crime, I think it's reasonable to ban the poster outright, socks or no socks, trolling or not.

Threats of physical violence should qualify.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
295. Exactly. That poster should get a visit from the police
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sep 2014

Reposting his shit all over DU would seem to serve no purpose whatsoever.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
330. The admin are probably legally obligated to report that.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:25 PM
Sep 2014

However, it appears they are more interested in verbally abusing the victims.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
360. One of the most prominent DUers was banned for threatening another DUer with violence...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 04:55 AM
Sep 2014

only for that ban to later be overturned. I'm not going to name names, since such an action would possibly be viewed as a callout and because the matter is pretty much water under the bridge. However I do wonder what gives DU moral standing to condemn Discussionist and even go so far as to call for its dissolution due to the postings of a troll who went 0-28 among their jurors when here at DU we have such a case in our history.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
294. Amen, EarlG
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:54 PM
Sep 2014
And why are you continuing to give this dope publicity? He had a previous hide, he was suspended, at which point the only thing he could do was scrawl all over his profile page like it was a bathroom wall. And then, like all trolls, he created a sock-puppet account and was perma-banned. This most recent incarnation of his is well and truly toast, and it happened in short order.

In order to even read that crap he wrote, you have to jump through the following hoops:

1. Go to a different website
2. Create an account at that website
3. Log in to the website
4. Click on the member's profile page

Except, not any more because for some reason it is now also posted over here on DU as well.

Thanks for that.


Some people are not happy unless they're miserable, and are even happier when everyone else knows how miserable they are.

Tips:

1. If you find Discussionist a misogynist shithole, don't go there
2. If you find DU a misogynist shithole, don't go there

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
324. nice recap
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:35 PM
Sep 2014

I asked cyberswede to self-delete. Can the profile be scrubbed as well?

Just asking.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
329. So a sock puppet is a bigger infraction than a rape threat? Just like sports...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:26 PM
Sep 2014

Knocking out your gf and dragging her out of an elevator gets you a shorter suspension than smoking weed. Disgusting. Seriously.

Admins should be ashamed to allow that to continue with only a "hide" as a repercussion. I know... jury system, let the community monitor themselves. That's a bunch of bullshit. A cop out. You run a site you need to take some responsibility and be at least a tiny bit proactive, you can't just throw your hands in the air and say the community will deal with it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
337. I can see this both ways.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 08:58 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I understand why you and Skinner see this the way you see it.

I also understand why Bainsbane and Boston Bean see it the way they see it.

To sum up your point of view, everything worked like it should, the troll got banned. I kind of agree.

To sum up their point of view, not enough is being done to foster a non-misogynist environment on both sites and this episode with the doctor is symptomatic of that. I kind of agree with that too, not enough is being done in general against bigoted views here on DU against several groups, Jews, Women, LGBT, etc.

I know you and Skinner are extremely reluctant to do this, but it might help to start out with an addendum to the TOS that spell out certain kinds of bigoted behavior that are unacceptable.

Even though I am guessing you probably saw this already, in case you haven't, here is how Fark handled it. They added this to their moderator guidelines, an expanded list like this could be added to the TOS:

Things that aren't acceptable:

- Rape jokes
- Calling women as a group "whores" or "sluts" or similar demeaning terminology
- Jokes suggesting that a woman who suffered a crime was somehow asking for it

Obviously, these are just a few examples and shouldn't be taken as the full gospel, but to give you a few examples of what will always be over the line. Trying to anticipate every situation and every conversation in every thread would be ridiculous, so consider these guidelines and post accordingly. I recommend that when encountering grey areas, instead of trying to figure out where the actual line is, the best strategy would be to stay out of the grey area entirely.

As one of the folks who picks headlines, I can also say with some certainty that we're not going to get everything right all the time on our end either. I've been trying to keep an eye toward these guidelines for a couple months now and I still make mistakes and/or miss problem taglines completely. We're trying to make the Fark community a better place, and hopefully this will be a few steps in the right direction.


and we can add things for LGBT like "making statements advocating for something other than complete equality for the LGBT community", etc.

Edited to add: Bainesbane had a list of what she considered misogynist statements. I agree with most not all, here are the ones I agree with that I think should be added to the TOS:

Misogyny can be extreme and intensive or chronic and pervasive. Among the positions some feminists identify with sexism and misogyny are the following:


Insisting the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision isn't a big deal
Insisting men should have the right to compel a woman to abort a fetus
Insisting a man's having to pay child support equates with the state's efforts to prohibit abortion
Insisting men are more oppressed than women
Adopting the GOP idea of forcible rape vs. other rape and insisting the later (usually child rape) is less serious.
Insisting that large numbers of women invent false rape charges
Insisting rapists should not be punished with jail time
Frequently taking the side of accused rapists over their victims
Insisting women's issues and feminism aren't important and don't constitute real politics
Calling women c...t and b....s
A whole slew of derogatory or sexualized comments about women's bodies
anti-choice positions
opposing ACA's covering of women's reproductive care
blaming women for their own sexual assaults
arguing that violence against women isn't important
arguing that rape isn't a societal problem
Insisting a misogynistic mass murderer had real concerns about how bad off men have it today
denying sexism and misogyny
arguing that women in the US should be content with what they have
Citing a study held out by an MRA big-wig that claims women say no when they really mean yes
Insisting consent is "elastic"
Insisting that consent is assumed.
Insisting there is no such thing as male privilege

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
359. EarlG, with all due respect:
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 04:31 AM
Sep 2014

For many of us, DU is a community. It is not unreasonable for a member of this community to share with her DU friends that she has been threatened with rape in another community. It is not unreasonable for a DUer to share her sadness about such a threat. It is not unreasonable for a DUer to ask her DU community how she might best deal with such a threat. What does strike me as unreasonable is for you to essentially blame the victim and then wind down your response with a snarky "Thanks for that."

Also, please consider that 36 minutes is by no means "in short order" when one is threatened with rape.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
372. Do you think Washington can beat Philly and win the division this year?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:47 AM
Sep 2014

The answer is, of course, no. Good luck with DeSean.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
127. I don't go over there.
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:44 PM
Aug 2014

We get enough drive by trolling here. I support feminism and will not go over there.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
130. Assault, rape and murder threats
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:52 PM
Aug 2014

on the net should be criminalized. No one should be attacked like that.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
180. So if no progressive or DU member went there, it would just be another repuke site. I won't go
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 01:15 AM
Sep 2014

there, and sorry, won't click on the links either

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
250. No, because repuke sites don't advertise Democrat ideals.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:22 AM
Sep 2014

I doubt you would see positive ACA ads or anything not negative about Obama and this admin on sites like Limbaugh and Beck and those others. DU has impeach Obama ads, anti-Holder ads, some really vomitous stuff. There is no way any rightwinger membership would accept seeing liberal ads just for the sake of more money coming into the coffers.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
262. Yes, they most certainly do appear. I may not have been clear, sorry.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:34 AM
Sep 2014

I'm just saying that no way would membership on a rightwing site accept positive anything ads for Democrats. But yet it's supposedly okay here, for some mysterious reason that is $$$.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
207. Certainly that character is disgusting. And scary.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 05:16 AM
Sep 2014

Any way of identifying/reporting them?

I wonder if it's the same one from the Hate Mail Bag of 2013, who advised the admins of DU to 'eat a bag of dicks':

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2507188

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
215. I would strongly advise Skinner and the Mods to look into that possibility, honestly speaking.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:04 AM
Sep 2014

Sounds like it very well could be him.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
218. It's the DUer "The Doctor." and Vashta Nerada.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 06:20 AM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=145185&sub=trans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=306421&sub=trans
('Vashta Nerada' are Doctor Who monsters)
One of the worse misogynists on DU, but appears to have psychological problems now - unable to discuss women with flying off the handle. I don't think the police would take a report about them, however; I suspect an ISP would just say it's up to sites to ban them.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
226. They were both the same person? I didn't realise that till now...
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:15 AM
Sep 2014

It sucks when really disgusting people like that use Dr Who usernames. I like Dr Who, or at least I did when David Tennant was the Doctor.

Unless things are different in the US than here or where you are, I think you might be right about police and ISP's not taking action. It really is up to the sites to ban them, though given Facebook's appalling track record on about anything to do with women, if it'd happened there, they probably wouldn't do anything.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
228. The Discussionist 'Doctor' denied they were the DU 'Doctor', but no-one believed them
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 07:20 AM
Sep 2014

and VN shared a misogynist outlook with them, and was banned as a zombie; and there's the Who name links.

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #228)

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
239. I'm having trouble logging in over there
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 09:08 AM
Sep 2014

No matter how I change my password, I can't get in over there.

I suspect that's something about which I should be happy.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
311. And, as evidence of how this hatred is seeding DU, note the alert message for a jury on which I just
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:28 PM
Sep 2014

participated:

The person who sent the alert wrote: I'm sick and tired of this group hating on the site and the administration. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they all got a clue from Redqueen and took a hike. Let them sign up at the 'Good Man Project' where they can take lessons in manipulating men into acceptable life forms. If those women hate DU and always bitch about it why yo they have their own special little safe haven to complaint from. Sorry, Skinner. You probably know how I feel. I have them on ignore and have HOF in the trash. I don't know how I clicked this topic. They should be called the mean girls group. They only care about defending each other and rape and porn. No other issues matter to them. They stir up trouble than they ever solve. I don't expect this to be hidden it's their group. I'm just tired of the this place sucks attitude. I hope they shit in their nest one too many times. And they lose their place to shit in. Leslie


I have not yet received the results, but anyone here who thinks this level of ugly misogyny is not being seeded here truly needs to think again.
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
322. I went over there
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 03:20 PM
Sep 2014

and saw the little hate-fest pile-on about me. How convenient that I'm blocked from the group and can't respond. I'll tell you, since I can't reply there - I did not alert on seabeyond's hidden post. I just found it amusing that she only had a few days to post.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
340. Don't people have better ways to spend their time?
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:17 PM
Sep 2014

If people are dissatisfied, that should only make it easier to not spend time there.

Might as well play candy crush all day. Really, there are better ways to spend your time than engaging in troll fests or making pointless arguments in cyberspace.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
355. What does vulgar language mean.
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 01:02 AM
Sep 2014

It means the language of the common people. Who will decide what is acceptable language? Maybe Skinner needs to give us a list of unacceptable words.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
366. If you consider what was written to be the "language of the common people" you have issues
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:03 AM
Sep 2014

The "common people" you are around must be very disturbed people. Common people may swear once in a while, but most don't use the level of vulgar racist, misogynistic, and violent rhetoric seen in the Doctor's profile. If you need anyone to explain to you why the Doctor's words were not acceptable you have serious issues.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
376. Did I say it was what you accuse me of?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:14 AM
Sep 2014

I pointed out what the OP said was incorrect. However, I do think we need a list of unacceptable words from the administration because any word these day is attacked if someone thinks it shouldn't be used and it makes it very hard to write anything anymore.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
378. Seriously?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 11:38 AM
Sep 2014

If you need to be told words like the N word and C word are not acceptable that is your problem. Most of us are able to write just fine without having to be told not to write racist and misogynistic crap like the Doctor wrote.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
382. You are embarassing yourself
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 12:00 PM
Sep 2014

You don't need to be smart to know that the Doctor's post was racist and misogynistic and anyone who would find it acceptable is also obviously racist and misogynistic.

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