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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:10 AM Sep 2014

$1 Trillion Trove of Rare Minerals Revealed Under Afghanistan

http://www.livescience.com/47682-rare-earth-minerals-found-under-afghanistan.html

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Rare Earths, clockwise from top center: praseodymium, cerium, lanthanum, neodymium, samarium and gadolinium.
Credit: U.S. Department of Agriculture / Peggy Greb

Despite being one of the poorest nations in the world, Afghanistan may be sitting on one of the richest troves of minerals in the world, valued at nearly $1 trillion, according to U.S. scientists.

Afghanistan, a country nearly the size of Texas, is loaded with minerals deposited by the violent collision of the Indian subcontinent with Asia. The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) began inspecting what mineral resources Afghanistan had after U.S.-led forces drove the Taliban from power in the country in 2004. As it turns out, the Afghanistan Geological Survey staff had kept Soviet geological maps and reports up to 50 years old or more that hinted at a geological gold mine.

In 2006, U.S. researchers flew airborne missions to conduct magnetic, gravity and hyperspectral surveys over Afghanistan. The magnetic surveys probed for iron-bearing minerals up to 6 miles (10 kilometers) below the surface, while the gravity surveys tried to identify sediment-filled basins potentially rich in oil and gas. The hyperspectral survey looked at the spectrum of light reflected off rocks to identify the light signatures unique to each mineral. More than 70 percent of the country was mapped in just two months. [Facts About Rare Earth Minerals (Infographic)]

The surveys verified all the major Soviet finds. Afghanistan may hold 60 million tons of copper, 2.2 billion tons of iron ore, 1.4 million tons of rare earth elements such as lanthanum, cerium and neodymium, and lodes of aluminum, gold, silver, zinc, mercury and lithium. For instance, the Khanneshin carbonatite deposit in Afghanistan's Helmand province is valued at $89 billion, full as it is with rare earth elements.
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$1 Trillion Trove of Rare Minerals Revealed Under Afghanistan (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
Similar thing happened to all the Native Americans. Octafish Sep 2014 #1
Yeah, that "until" is the critical part, Octa suffragette Sep 2014 #25
SOLD! eom littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #2
See, we don't go to war in that part of the world just for oil. merrily Sep 2014 #3
Yep, DUer FiveGood Men posted about this in January theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #9
I don't know if it was either of those, but it probably can't be posted enough. merrily Sep 2014 #10
Totally agree theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #13
Very true. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #18
SAD Mr Dixon Sep 2014 #4
Yep. Even truer today than when Nixon was Prez. merrily Sep 2014 #11
That was my first reaction! emsimon33 Sep 2014 #38
We go to war to protect Americasn interest. Hotler Sep 2014 #5
It is clearly the American people's duty to fight and die for those riches! Romulox Sep 2014 #6
That's a lot of mium's! VScott Sep 2014 #7
Search Mes Aynak. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #8
I have always said this was THE reason (besides the opium poppies) for our incursions. #patsself WinkyDink Sep 2014 #12
The DU community was an exceptionally helpful force in helping littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #14
I could have sworn I'd heard about this more than a decade ago, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #15
Exactly BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #32
Cali posted this in 2012 and that's what got me started. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #16
Video littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #17
That could be revised to: "will play a major role in the economic growth of gtar100 Sep 2014 #29
^ nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #30
Excerpt Ministry of Mines Afghanistan: Geology littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #19
k and r panader0 Sep 2014 #20
DU is light years ahead of M$Greedia on these matters malaise Sep 2014 #21
I don't think anyone in the media didn't know BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #33
There are some things for which we cannot accept a material value. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #22
DUers have been posting about this for years. This is why the 1% owned US govern-mint Zorra Sep 2014 #23
An organized gov't controlling those resources and employing Afghani citizens Roland99 Sep 2014 #24
Rare earth isn't all that rare bhikkhu Sep 2014 #26
The problem with American rare earths Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #39
Rare Earth. brings back memories... NRaleighLiberal Sep 2014 #27
Fantastic! littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #31
Why would the old Soviet Union bankrupt themselves for a country they knew would be hostile? gordianot Sep 2014 #28
Video ~5 mins littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #34
Joh Stewart's "Ore on Terror" is worth watching. He hits it out of the park. CrispyQ Sep 2014 #35
My my. hifiguy Sep 2014 #36
so there was something besides the pipeline we were "protecting". why is this niyad Sep 2014 #37
It's more than one trillion. kentauros Sep 2014 #40

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. Similar thing happened to all the Native Americans.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:17 AM
Sep 2014

On behalf of the sundry greedheads who wanted North America for their own, Uncle Sam made war to make the Native Americans move, first to inhospitable land and from there to reservations.

The Native Americans got to stay on their reservations until the whites found gold in them. Then the native peoples were forced to smaller, even more inhospitable lands where they stayed until the whites found oil in them...

Yeah. Afghanis are going to love their new-found wealth -- after they've paid for their occupation, of course.

And Ukraine? They should know what they're in for. They also have Twitter.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
25. Yeah, that "until" is the critical part, Octa
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:21 AM
Sep 2014

And no pesky environmental concerns from conquered people either. Just go in and strip the land bare.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. See, we don't go to war in that part of the world just for oil.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:28 AM
Sep 2014

Someone pointed out Afghanistan's mineral wealth on a message board a couple three years ago, but I no longer remember if it was on DU or another board.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
13. Totally agree
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:53 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)

Fact is, the major powers have known about Afghanistan's untapped mineral wealth for decades. They know exactly where these deposits are and how much they're worth.

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
18. Very true.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:13 AM
Sep 2014

I just revisited the Ministry of Mines web page for the first time in over a year. There have been major changes in everything but the corruption, I have no doubt.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
6. It is clearly the American people's duty to fight and die for those riches!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:37 AM
Sep 2014

Of course, a private concern will be handling the extraction contracts.

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
14. The DU community was an exceptionally helpful force in helping
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:55 AM
Sep 2014

Draw attention to the fate of this remarkable archeological site which gave the dig precious time and helped documentarian Brent Huffman during the making of his film about the site.
Here is some recent drone footage of the site:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24rl65_un-drone-explore-le-site-archeologique-de-mes-aynak_tech

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
15. I could have sworn I'd heard about this more than a decade ago,
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:59 AM
Sep 2014

though at that point they probably hadn't mapped out the extent of the REE available. China was locking down most of the known REE deposits, and finding more was considered highly important on the geopolitical future of countries worldwide.

I think a physicist buddy of mine might have pointed me to an article about it when we both were doinking around in the stock market and looking at REE mining company stocks. (That's why I think it was a lot farther back - I haven't had the money to invest in a looong time.)

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
32. Exactly
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:33 AM
Sep 2014

China uses its control over rare earth minerals to freak out the US and Europe regularly. That's why we can never leave Afghanistan: gotta get the minerals. Why the hell were we even there? Minerals. They are even more important than oil at this point because you can't build computer chips and other parts without them.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11657982

It's the reason why we don't go into war torn countries that don't have resources. ISIS is bad, but what about Rwanda and Sudan? The US didn't bat an eyelash and it wasn't on the news 24/7. The list goes on, but anyone who thinks our military is ever deployed for humanitarian reasons is incredibly naive.

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
16. Cali posted this in 2012 and that's what got me started.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:02 AM
Sep 2014

Afghanistan has amazing amounts of mineral wealth but the people are their true treasure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021405116

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
17. Video
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:10 AM
Sep 2014

Jun 5, 2012
http://m.


One of the world's biggest copper mines is located in Afghanistan, only 40 kilometers south of Kabul. 

Preliminary investigations showed that the mine has nearly 14 billion tonnes of copper which will play a major role in the economic growth of the country.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
29. That could be revised to: "will play a major role in the economic growth of
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:46 AM
Sep 2014

a few rich mother fuckers while the remaining population of Afghanistan lives in dirt poor poverty as they do the actual work of tearing up their country to extract the minerals and suffer through all the pollution caused by lack of environmental regulations."

Or something like that. It's the general trend of things throughout the world where natural resources are being exploited by private capitalists.

Very sad indeed. That it is even considered viable to outside interests is the height of human arrogance and greed.

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
19. Excerpt Ministry of Mines Afghanistan: Geology
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:21 AM
Sep 2014

A new era in the study of Afghanistan's geology and mineral resources began when the Government of Afghanistan inaugurated the National Geological Survey in July 1955. This marked the initiation of organized surveys of the geological and mineral resources of this country, which continued through the next 25 years.  This period was characterized by extensive mapping operations and, subsequently, by geological surveys and the prospecting of mineral occurrences and a more detailed evaluation of selected prospects.

The Afghanistan Geological Survey (AGS) under the Ministry of Mines and Industries conducted this work in cooperation with German, Italian, French and Soviet geologists, as well as nominal support from the United Nations.

German, Italian and French geological missions were present in Afghanistan between 1959 and 1967.   Their assistance helped in the creation of maps and documentation of mineral deposits working in parallel with existing Soviet interests, who finalized and published a compendium of international studies.  This eventually led to the establishment of the Department of Geology and Mines and later the Department of Geological and Mineral Survey.

This period represented the most important phase of mineral exploration to date; and resulted in the production of a large number of reports and materials on mineral occurrences, resources and prospects


http://mom.gov.af/en/page/1378

malaise

(269,022 posts)
21. DU is light years ahead of M$Greedia on these matters
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:29 AM
Sep 2014

It hasnever been about freedom, democracy or anything like that - always follow the money

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
33. I don't think anyone in the media didn't know
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 11:37 AM
Sep 2014

It's been pretty open for years. But their masters told them to sell the idea of patriotic "freedom" wars so Americans never question. It's always the same perpetual freedom war against brown people in far off places that most people couldn't point to on a map; I doubt anyone even notices.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
23. DUers have been posting about this for years. This is why the 1% owned US govern-mint
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:10 AM
Sep 2014

has been slaughtering the people of Afghanistan since 2001.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
24. An organized gov't controlling those resources and employing Afghani citizens
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:18 AM
Sep 2014

*could* lead to stability...people with jobs, earning incomes, less likely to fall in with the boogeymen Al Qaeda groups as many do now as what other course can they take?

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
26. Rare earth isn't all that rare
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:22 AM
Sep 2014
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/mineral-resources/ree.html

I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the Afghan war based on them having some deposits; we have plenty here.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
39. The problem with American rare earths
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 04:24 AM
Sep 2014

is that the ores always contain radioactive elements (particularly thorium) that are difficult to process and dispose of. Rare earths have not been mined to any extent in the US for at least 40 years.

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
31. Fantastic!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:53 AM
Sep 2014

I miss funk and disco.
And The Clash.
I miss The Clash?!

Thanks for your post. That's a great tune and I enjoy funky music.

~littlemissmartypants🙆

littlemissmartypants

(22,685 posts)
34. Video ~5 mins
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 12:24 PM
Sep 2014
http://m.


Feb 3, 2012

The Alliance for the Restoration of Cultural Heritage ("ARCH&quot International, Inc. is laying the groundwork for a major public campaign to prevent the decimation of ancient Buddhist temples and Bronze Age metal foundries at Mes Aynak, a major site on the ancient Silk Road that is endangered by a current plan to mine copper from this historic location. We understand that Afghanistan is in great need of the funds that would flow from this projected mineral extraction, so we are working with engineers and other experts to find the means of balancing new methods of copper mining with the careful preservation of our priceless cultural heritage.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
35. Joh Stewart's "Ore on Terror" is worth watching. He hits it out of the park.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:18 PM
Sep 2014

I'd post but it has a commercial.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
40. It's more than one trillion.
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 04:32 AM
Sep 2014

I read about this several years ago, and estimates then ranged as high as over $4-trillion, though Wikipedia's page on Afghanistan's mining pegs it at $3-trillion. Even so, that's more than enough to implicate just who wanted that war and why.

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