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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 12:16 PM Sep 2014

“From the beginning, I was in it for real”: Ice cream legend’s plan to radically up-end America

“From the beginning, I was in it for real”: Ice cream legend’s plan to radically up-end America
Ben Cohen is best known for Ben & Jerry's ice cream. But his new project to transform politics may change all that
Elias Isquith

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For those who don’t know already, could you tell us a bit about what “The Stampede” is and what you’re trying to achieve?

The Stampede is essentially a petition on steroids. We call it monetary Jiu-Jitsu. We’re using money to get money out of politics, and essentially we’re turning money into media.

The Stampede sells rubber stamps online, essentially at cost, and people buy one of those stamps and then they stamp messages on paper currency that says one of three major statements. One is “Not to be used for bribing politicians, amend the Constitution”; another is “Stamp money out of politics, amend the Constitution”; and another is “Not to be used for buying elections, amend the Constitution.”

The beauty of it is that, usually, if people want to make their voice heard in the political process, the most they can do is sign a petition that hopefully gets seen at some point by the petition’s target. In this situation, if you stamp a piece of money with your statement, 900 people see each bill that you stamp, as it gets put in circulation and passed from hand-to-hand. The numbers are kind of amazing: If one person stamps three bills a day for a year, that message gets seen by about a million people. It’s actually very powerful.
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As long as the Supreme Court rules money is speech, corporations and the wealthy are using it by giving piles of it to politicians to pass or not pass laws that they want. Now, the rest of the people, {those} who don’t have that money, can actually make their voice heard by using money to stamp a message out.


You launched the campaign about two years ago. How do you think it’s gone thus far?

Up. Sales this year are twice what they were last year, so the trajectory is good. We have a Facebook page and there’s been a whole lot more action on it.

In general, the movement to pass an amendment as well as state and national legislation to get money out of politics is gathering a tremendous amount of momentum, and it’s kind of amazing that already people in the Senate {are debating an amendment}. I understand {the Udall amendment is} not going to pass this time around but just finally having a vote in the Senate is quite ahead of where we expected we’d be.


more...

http://www.salon.com/2014/09/04/from_the_beginning_i_was_in_it_for_real_ice_cream_legends_plan_to_radically_up_end_america/
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“From the beginning, I was in it for real”: Ice cream legend’s plan to radically up-end America (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2014 OP
If you're ever in VT, do the factory tour... Cooley Hurd Sep 2014 #1
Hey! babylonsister Sep 2014 #2
..and check out the nearby Shelburne Museum: Cooley Hurd Sep 2014 #3
Yeah, but chervilant Sep 2014 #33
Finally making good use of that 2.5 billion he got from selling out to Unilever Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #4
Please link reference to B&J tax inversion, I can't find anything. ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #8
I'm not suprised that you couldn't find anything. Sopkoviak Sep 2014 #10
It is up to you to provide the links. Welcome to DU. n/t ms liberty Sep 2014 #13
What exactly are you trying to imply by ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #15
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #21
I believe this is what you're looking for. PADemD Sep 2014 #18
... ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #19
FYI: The Board of Directors sold Ben & Jerry's, They Had No Voice or Choice In the Decision MagickMuffin Sep 2014 #20
Problem is I rarely handle cash. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #5
Is it legal to knowingly deface paper currency? BillZBubb Sep 2014 #6
This was my first thought. nt ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #7
All bills say, "Private Tender". DhhD Sep 2014 #9
From The Stampede's website: DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #11
Thanks. It seems like the law allows this since it isn't an attempt at fraud. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #12
I've seen similar things RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #14
Sounds fun caraher Sep 2014 #34
from snopes passiveporcupine Sep 2014 #22
Where do I get one of those stamps? ashling Sep 2014 #16
Order here: japple Sep 2014 #17
Bravo the Ben and Jerry! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #23
kick Tobin S. Sep 2014 #24
THank you, Ben Cohen! Mahalo babylonsistah~ Cha Sep 2014 #25
Get money out of politics. lovemydog Sep 2014 #26
Always!!! babylonsister Sep 2014 #28
Good way to get a message to many for low cost investment lunasun Sep 2014 #27
Link to the stampede, very entertaining site: lovemydog Sep 2014 #29
I guess I didn't realize B&J had been sold. Does that mean that... Beartracks Sep 2014 #30
Same socially conscious policies Ineeda Sep 2014 #35
Ah, good to know! Wow: it was in 2000??? Beartracks Sep 2014 #36
just ordered my stamp. barbtries Sep 2014 #31
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #32
Will work about as well as the Hare Krishnas.. and they've been at it longer. X_Digger Sep 2014 #37
This is a current article. babylonsister Sep 2014 #38

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
33. Yeah, but
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:06 AM
Sep 2014

I'm still bummed that they didn't bring back Wavy Gravy. I would be all kinds of psyched to get that flavor again!

 

Sopkoviak

(357 posts)
4. Finally making good use of that 2.5 billion he got from selling out to Unilever
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 12:33 PM
Sep 2014

In an early tax inversion scheme. (All legal of course)

And maybe making up for the addition of High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) to much of their product line.

Hooray!

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
8. Please link reference to B&J tax inversion, I can't find anything.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 12:51 PM
Sep 2014

Also, B&J uses pure cane sugar, not HFCS. Please provide a source for your charge that B&J is guilty of "the addition of High fructose corn syrup (HFCS) to much of their product line".

Thanks.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
15. What exactly are you trying to imply by
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 02:31 PM
Sep 2014

"I'm not suprised that you couldn't find anything."

Do you know me? Are you charging me with some sort of dishonesty?

When you make a claim in DU, it is YOUR responsibility to provide cites and references to support your claim. You have done neither.

I read your CBS News link before I responded to your post, it does not support either of your claims. Also, CBS News is a right-wing organization that will make a liberal company like B&J look however they want B&J to look. AFAIAK, CBS News is illegitimate as a news source.

Your second link also does not support your claims and, indeed, betrays them:

"This article aims to dispel the idée fixe that corporate law compelled Ben & Jerry’s directors to accept Unilever’s rich offer, overwhelming Cohen and Greenfield’s dogged efforts to maintain the company’s social mission and independence. Contemporaneous observers concluded thus, such as the stock analyst who claimed in 2000 that “Ben & Jerry’s had a legal responsibility to consider the takeover bids. … That responsibility is what forced a sale.”3 Cohen says the same thing—on a 2010 NPR radio segment on social enterprise, he said that “the laws required the board of directors of Ben & Jerry’s to take an offer, to sell the company despite the fact that they did not want to sell the company.”4 Greenfield agrees: “We were a public company, and the board of directors’ primary responsibility is the interest of the shareholders. … It was nothing about Unilever; we didn’t want to get bought by anybody.”5

Corporate law has been fingered as the culprit in Ben & Jerry’s sale, which has become the poster child, proof text, and Exhibit A for the proposition that the traditional business corporation is fundamentally inhospitable, if not outright hostile, to social enterprise. Consider this passage from the summer 2009 issue of the Stanford Social Innovation Review: “[A]mong social entrepreneurs, Unilever’s purchase of Ben & Jerry’s serves as a cautionary tale of how easily corporate fiat can undermine social responsibility. ‘The board was legally required to sell to the highest bidder,’ says [an attorney with expertise in social enterprise]. Neither Ben Cohen nor Jerry Greenfield wanted to sell the company, but because it was public they had no choice.”6

If the corporate form is bad for social enterprise, social entrepreneurs should use more suitable alternatives. Proponents of new legal forms—such as L3Cs, benefit corporations, and flexible purpose corporations—invariably cite the sale of Ben & Jerry’s to show why such forms are necessary or attractive. (See “New Organizational Forms for Hybrids,” below.) For example, a legislative report on SB 201, California’s Flexible Purpose Corporation act, states that “The story of Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream is an example of why a new entity form is sought.” It then repeats the now familiar story: “Even though Ben and Jerry did not want to sell out, they had little choice.”7"

So, please provide adequate references to support your claim or concede that your were wrong.

Thanks.

Response to Sopkoviak (Reply #10)

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
18. I believe this is what you're looking for.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 03:00 PM
Sep 2014

from the Center for Science in the Public Interest

Most "All Natural" Ben & Jerry's Flavors Have Unnatural Ingredients

At least 48 out of 53 flavors of Ben & Jerry’s “All Natural” ice cream and frozen yogurt contain alkalized cocoa, corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, or other ingredients that either don’t exist in nature or that have been chemically modified.

http://cspinet.org/new/201008121.html

A list of all the improperly labeled flavors and their ingredients is included in CSPI’s letter.

http://cspinet.org/new/pdf/benandjerrysunileverletter.pdf

The letter to the FDA contains all of the ingredients, natural and un-natural.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
19. ...
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 03:17 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sat Sep 6, 2014, 04:10 PM - Edit history (1)

"A batch of ice cream mix starts with heavy cream, condensed skim milk, and liquid cane sugar."
http://www.benjerry.com/flavors/how-we-make-ice-cream#3timeline

The company uses cane sugar instead of beet sugar and high fructose corn syrup, which are derived from GMOs. - See more at: http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/march2013/ben-jerrys-switch-to-non-gmo-ingredients.php#sthash.2nyNb060.dpuf

Your source, which I saw before responding to Sopkoviak's post, precedes B&J's conversion to non-GMO and pure cane sugar by 3-4 years compared to my sources.

Why am I the one having to prove the OP's claim, right or wrong?

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
20. FYI: The Board of Directors sold Ben & Jerry's, They Had No Voice or Choice In the Decision
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 03:20 PM
Sep 2014

According to interviews I have seen.

And from the WSJ http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB955522850788928066

Unilever scooped up Ben & Jerry's for $326 million not the 2.5 billion you claimed happened.





Please don't let facts get in your way. BTW, just where did you get your "facts" fauxnews?




DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
11. From The Stampede's website:
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 01:17 PM
Sep 2014
Many people assume that it’s illegal to stamp or write on paper currency, but that’s not the case. It’s illegal to destroy paper currency or deface it so much that it’s no longer recognizable and has to be taken out of circulation. But that’s definitely not what we’re up to.

You can read what our lawyer had to say about this and see the relevant sections of the law below. You can also download it here. If your intent is to make the money unusable, it’s illegal; but we want our bills to be used over and over again! Also, it is illegal to put a commercial advertisement on money. But we are putting political messages on the bills, not commercial advertisements.

http://www.stampstampede.org/pages/stamping-tips

RadicalGeek

(344 posts)
14. I've seen similar things
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 01:48 PM
Sep 2014

I had a co-worker who was on a site called "Where's George" where you put a code on a $1 bill and used a site to track the bill.

He learned that arenas and airports can become basically "holding patterns" for them.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
34. Sounds fun
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:53 AM
Sep 2014

I remember writing a little story in elementary school about the "travels of a dollar." My dollar had a lot more fun and even went to the moon!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
22. from snopes
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 04:05 PM
Sep 2014
Essentially, you cannot deface money with the intent to defraud. That would be things like trying to make $10 bills look like $100 bills, or altering the size and weight of coins to fool machines.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
16. Where do I get one of those stamps?
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 02:35 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sat Sep 6, 2014, 04:26 PM - Edit history (1)

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I always - ok, not ALWAYS, but often - write VOTE DEMOCRATIC on the restraunt copy of credit card receipts when we eat out

I once sent a new $2 bill to Hubert Humphrey for his signature (There had just been some story on the news about somebody getting Gerald Ford's signature on a dollar bill) Humphrey sent the bill back with a letter explaining that it was illegal to sign U.S. currency. Included a pre-signed card.

But since money is speech, why not make it say what I want?

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
30. I guess I didn't realize B&J had been sold. Does that mean that...
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 02:05 AM
Sep 2014

... the company is now just like any other corporation and is no longer necessarily a socially conscious company that deserves my ice cream dollars?

Glad to see that Ben and Jerry (the people, at least) are still socially conscious.

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Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
35. Same socially conscious policies
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 12:23 PM
Sep 2014

as stated on their web site:
"Big Changes

August 3, 2000: Ben & Jerry’s becomes a wholly-owned subsidiary of Unilever. Through a unique acquisition agreement, an independent Board of Directors is created to provide leadership focused on preserving and expanding Ben & Jerry's social mission, brand integrity, and product quality. We call them the B.O.D. (Which means we really like them.)"

Read more here: http://www.benjerry.com/about-us

love the guys, love the policies, LOVE the ice cream

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
36. Ah, good to know! Wow: it was in 2000???
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:17 PM
Sep 2014

Obviously, I've been paying attention...

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X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
37. Will work about as well as the Hare Krishnas.. and they've been at it longer.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:33 PM
Sep 2014

I got a $5 bill the other day with a Hare Krishna stamp, it didn't make me want to shave my head.

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
38. This is a current article.
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:36 PM
Sep 2014

Who knows? At least someone is doing something besides saying it'll never happen.

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