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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 05:42 PM Sep 2014

NY Times: When Whites Just Don't Get It Part 2

I'll just post a section toward the end. It's a reply to responses to this earlier op-ed piece: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-after-ferguson-race-deserves-more-attention-not-less.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-when-whites-just-dont-get-it-part-2.html


It’s true that blacks accounted for 55 percent of robbery arrests in 2012, according to F.B.I. statistics. But, by my calculations, it’s also true that 99.9 percent of blacks were not arrested and charged with robbery in 2012, yet they are still tarred by this pernicious stereotype.

Criminality is real. So is inequity. So is stereotyping.

The United States Sentencing Commission concluded that black men get sentences one-fifth longer than white men for committing the same crimes. In Louisiana, a study found that a person is 97 percent more likely to be sentenced to death for murdering a white person than a black person.

Mass incarceration means that the United States imprisons a higher proportion of its black population than apartheid South Africa did, further breaking up families. And careful studies find that employers are less likely to respond to a job inquiry and résumé when a typically black name is on it.
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NY Times: When Whites Just Don't Get It Part 2 (Original Post) gollygee Sep 2014 OP
White privilege is like global warming--there are people who'll deny it, but it exists. Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #1
"Studies" Aren't Doing Much Good daredtowork Sep 2014 #2
Blame SCOTUS for Unknown Beatle Sep 2014 #4
from Part 1: this jumped out at me and I love it. Voice for Peace Sep 2014 #3
That was perhaps the best line of the whole article, and it was a good one overall. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #6
A simple way to stop this LittleBlue Sep 2014 #5
this always has been, A RACIST COUNTRY heaven05 Sep 2014 #7
It does seem like it's been getting worse to me gollygee Sep 2014 #11
I just can't understand how white people can dismiss White Privilege rbrnmw Sep 2014 #8
it's dismissed heaven05 Sep 2014 #12
well that is true rbrnmw Sep 2014 #13
The White Criminals (Wall St, etc) JUST DON'T GET PROSECUTED! Demeter Sep 2014 #9
I'm white and I get it treestar Sep 2014 #10
Good God Number23 Sep 2014 #14
Or maybe white criminals or robbers are not arrested. That is certainly true of drug users and pot kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #15
It's incredible that we are now talking about something that we talked about Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #16
Tangible steps confusedWhitey Sep 2014 #17

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
2. "Studies" Aren't Doing Much Good
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 06:34 PM
Sep 2014

I remember a "study" about about employers being less likely to hire someone when they have a typically black name that came out over a decade ago. Yet I'm sure the same is true today. "Raising awareness" does little when it comes to ingrained prejudice.

I'm tired of the ineffectualness of these studies. I'm frustrated that study after study comes out, yet little changes. I wish there were some more direct way to convert studies - which ostensibly supply us with some facts - into policy.

I worked as a Congressional Intern when I was in high school, and I used to pick up yellow "info packs" from the Library of Congress for the Congressperson I worked for. The "info" in them was so out of date! I was getting better information from my high school textbooks!

Perhaps this is the role of "think tanks" - to compile these studies so they can collectively inform policy. I just wish I could see more of the impact...or perhaps even more of the "chain of custody" so that I could see the facts generated by studies leading to good policies and social change.


Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
4. Blame SCOTUS for
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:08 PM
Sep 2014

having a hand in the fact they blacks and minorities are where they are today because they gutted the Civil Rights Act and invalidated a key part of the Voting Rights Act.

It's infuriating that a handful of unelected officials are ruining perfectly great laws.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
3. from Part 1: this jumped out at me and I love it.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 06:49 PM
Sep 2014
All these constitute not a black problem or a white problem, but an American problem. When so much talent is underemployed and overincarcerated, the entire country suffers.


Thanks for the OP, I had missed both columns. K&R
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
6. That was perhaps the best line of the whole article, and it was a good one overall.
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:24 PM
Sep 2014

This is what certain folks on our side don't seem to get: Racism doesn't just hurt People of Color, nor does it "benefit" white people as a whole(and neither has ever been true, at any point in this nation's history), it hurts everyone, in some way, somehow.

Whether it be structural or intrapersonal, racism has(like other bigotries, and even prejudice in general!), more than anything else, been used a method of social control, and to divide and conquer. There are many examples of this throughout this nation's history. Perhaps the most notorious of them all was Jim Crow, and how it reigned free over the South for almost three quarters of a century. While a few (white) elites were living high off the hog, many of the rest(white or otherwise!) lived in terrible poverty and squalor; there never was much of a middle class, not until the Fifties anyhow, outside of a select few areas. And much of that was indeed due, in no small part to that particular brand of racism; it's not something we hear about in school much, but it's very true.



 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
5. A simple way to stop this
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:19 PM
Sep 2014
Mass incarceration means that the United States imprisons a higher proportion of its black population than apartheid South Africa did


End the War on Drugs.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
7. this always has been, A RACIST COUNTRY
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 07:58 PM
Sep 2014

and only because whites don't want to "get it". Period. I'm truly getting "sick and tired of being sick and tired" of the ignorance and willful stupidity of a large number of people afraid of losing their self perceived supremacy and privilege. It's a deplorable situation and has been getting worse every year since Reagan let the genie out the bottle. A brown man in the white house has sent a lot of 'privileged' people over the edge.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
11. It does seem like it's been getting worse to me
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:02 PM
Sep 2014

even in the past year or two. Is it my imagination? I heard so many people call protestors in Ferguson "animals" and I can't help thinking that even fairly recently very few people would have said that out loud. Maybe people are just more outspoken? Either I'm noticing it more or it's worse.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
8. I just can't understand how white people can dismiss White Privilege
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:00 PM
Sep 2014

Study after shows inequality and yet it never really changes.
I call this willfull ignorance.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
13. well that is true
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:16 PM
Sep 2014

They feel threatened somehow by even suggesting reality to them.
They have their clouded reality where every criminal is guilty and we are all equal because we elected a black man.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
9. The White Criminals (Wall St, etc) JUST DON'T GET PROSECUTED!
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:01 PM
Sep 2014

And their crimes are so horrendous and victimize so many, that one evil hedge fund manager or bankster could easily outweigh every single non-violent offender in this nation: black, white, red, yellow....whatever!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. I'm white and I get it
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:01 PM
Sep 2014

The justice system is screwed up against black people in many ways. From being more likely to be arrested, watched more by police, not believed in their testimony, in poverty disproportionately due to discrimination.

Not hard to see that.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
14. Good God
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:23 PM
Sep 2014

From the first link:

The gaps demand a wrenching, soul-searching excavation of our national soul, and the first step is to acknowledge that the central race challenge in America today is not the suffering of whites.


From the second link:
Society creates opportunity and resiliency for middle-class white boys who make mistakes; it is unforgiving of low-income black boys.

But there is plenty of fault to go around, and too many whites are obsessed with cultivating personal responsibility in the black community while refusing to accept any responsibility themselves for a system that manifestly does not provide equal opportunity.

I am on my feet
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
15. Or maybe white criminals or robbers are not arrested. That is certainly true of drug users and pot
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:48 PM
Sep 2014

smokers. Seems like only blacks are stopped and searched or swatted at their homes for this.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
16. It's incredible that we are now talking about something that we talked about
Sat Sep 6, 2014, 08:49 PM
Sep 2014

in my Sociology class 35 years ago in college.

17. Tangible steps
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:02 AM
Sep 2014

I'm white, I have a really good but precarious job, a family....What can I do in my everyday life to change any of this besides voting for candidates that will erase the privileges I have unwittingly benefited from all these years?

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