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I'll just post a section toward the end. It's a reply to responses to this earlier op-ed piece: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-after-ferguson-race-deserves-more-attention-not-less.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-when-whites-just-dont-get-it-part-2.html
Its true that blacks accounted for 55 percent of robbery arrests in 2012, according to F.B.I. statistics. But, by my calculations, its also true that 99.9 percent of blacks were not arrested and charged with robbery in 2012, yet they are still tarred by this pernicious stereotype.
Criminality is real. So is inequity. So is stereotyping.
The United States Sentencing Commission concluded that black men get sentences one-fifth longer than white men for committing the same crimes. In Louisiana, a study found that a person is 97 percent more likely to be sentenced to death for murdering a white person than a black person.
Mass incarceration means that the United States imprisons a higher proportion of its black population than apartheid South Africa did, further breaking up families. And careful studies find that employers are less likely to respond to a job inquiry and résumé when a typically black name is on it.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I remember a "study" about about employers being less likely to hire someone when they have a typically black name that came out over a decade ago. Yet I'm sure the same is true today. "Raising awareness" does little when it comes to ingrained prejudice.
I'm tired of the ineffectualness of these studies. I'm frustrated that study after study comes out, yet little changes. I wish there were some more direct way to convert studies - which ostensibly supply us with some facts - into policy.
I worked as a Congressional Intern when I was in high school, and I used to pick up yellow "info packs" from the Library of Congress for the Congressperson I worked for. The "info" in them was so out of date! I was getting better information from my high school textbooks!
Perhaps this is the role of "think tanks" - to compile these studies so they can collectively inform policy. I just wish I could see more of the impact...or perhaps even more of the "chain of custody" so that I could see the facts generated by studies leading to good policies and social change.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)having a hand in the fact they blacks and minorities are where they are today because they gutted the Civil Rights Act and invalidated a key part of the Voting Rights Act.
It's infuriating that a handful of unelected officials are ruining perfectly great laws.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)
Thanks for the OP, I had missed both columns. K&R
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)This is what certain folks on our side don't seem to get: Racism doesn't just hurt People of Color, nor does it "benefit" white people as a whole(and neither has ever been true, at any point in this nation's history), it hurts everyone, in some way, somehow.
Whether it be structural or intrapersonal, racism has(like other bigotries, and even prejudice in general!), more than anything else, been used a method of social control, and to divide and conquer. There are many examples of this throughout this nation's history. Perhaps the most notorious of them all was Jim Crow, and how it reigned free over the South for almost three quarters of a century. While a few (white) elites were living high off the hog, many of the rest(white or otherwise!) lived in terrible poverty and squalor; there never was much of a middle class, not until the Fifties anyhow, outside of a select few areas. And much of that was indeed due, in no small part to that particular brand of racism; it's not something we hear about in school much, but it's very true.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)End the War on Drugs.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and only because whites don't want to "get it". Period. I'm truly getting "sick and tired of being sick and tired" of the ignorance and willful stupidity of a large number of people afraid of losing their self perceived supremacy and privilege. It's a deplorable situation and has been getting worse every year since Reagan let the genie out the bottle. A brown man in the white house has sent a lot of 'privileged' people over the edge.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)even in the past year or two. Is it my imagination? I heard so many people call protestors in Ferguson "animals" and I can't help thinking that even fairly recently very few people would have said that out loud. Maybe people are just more outspoken? Either I'm noticing it more or it's worse.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Study after shows inequality and yet it never really changes.
I call this willfull ignorance.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)because it doesn't want to be lost. Pretty simple to me.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)They feel threatened somehow by even suggesting reality to them.
They have their clouded reality where every criminal is guilty and we are all equal because we elected a black man.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)And their crimes are so horrendous and victimize so many, that one evil hedge fund manager or bankster could easily outweigh every single non-violent offender in this nation: black, white, red, yellow....whatever!
treestar
(82,383 posts)The justice system is screwed up against black people in many ways. From being more likely to be arrested, watched more by police, not believed in their testimony, in poverty disproportionately due to discrimination.
Not hard to see that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)From the first link:
From the second link:
But there is plenty of fault to go around, and too many whites are obsessed with cultivating personal responsibility in the black community while refusing to accept any responsibility themselves for a system that manifestly does not provide equal opportunity.
I am on my feet
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)smokers. Seems like only blacks are stopped and searched or swatted at their homes for this.
Baitball Blogger
(46,733 posts)in my Sociology class 35 years ago in college.
confusedWhitey
(1 post)I'm white, I have a really good but precarious job, a family....What can I do in my everyday life to change any of this besides voting for candidates that will erase the privileges I have unwittingly benefited from all these years?