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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat would you do if you saw a middle eastern person
wearing this symbol:
Flag of Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK)
Would you consider them suspicious of providing "material support or resources" for a terrorist organization?
The authority to designate an entity a foreign terrorist organization rests with the Secretary of State, and is subject to judicial review.
[T]he term material support or resources means any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who may be or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials. §2339A(b)(1).
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Among the entities the Secretary of State has designated foreign terrorist organization[s] are the Partiya Karkeran Kurdistan (PKK)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1498.pdf
Side note on the PKK:
The PKK engaged Islamic State forces in Syria in mid-July 2014[78] as part of the Syrian Civil War. In August the PKK engaged IS in Northern Iraq and pressured the Government of Turkey to take a stand against IS.[79][80] PKK forces also helped "tens of thousands of Yazidis escape an encircled Mount Sinjar."[81]
hlthe2b
(102,290 posts)I hope there is a big enough closet for all those terrified of SYMBOLS to hide.
reorg
(3,317 posts)but what if one of your kids were socialising with a friend who persistently wears this symbol?
Would you be wondering what it is all about, whether your kids might get into trouble?
In Germany, participating in a PKK demonstration is enough to send you to prison. Perhaps "material support" is more substantial, perhaps not. PKK might not have much of a presence in the US and the example above may seem far-fetched to you (it isn't in Germany), but the PKK is still illegal even in the US.
hlthe2b
(102,290 posts)white supremacist insignias-- and potentially, given the daily carnage, NRA stickers!
After 911, idiots went after turban-wearing sikhs--thinking them Arab Muslims and killing some. This witch-hunt obsession sounds very reminiscent.
reorg
(3,317 posts)Personally, I would much prefer that the US designate the NRA and white supremacists as terrorists, rather than some other organizations. But I guess that's not very likely to happen any time soon.
hlthe2b
(102,290 posts)who, no doubt, delight in upsetting you and other parents.
reorg
(3,317 posts)but still, I would like to know more about it if someone wearing certain symbols would get into contact with my family or myself.
I have demonstrated side by side with PKK members and shouted their slogans. But I knew what it was all about.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)and paste?
Is this in response to the fact that the US is "allying" with PKK to fight IS instead of sending US troops in?
reorg
(3,317 posts)demonstrated by some posters in a similar thread.
The US designate an organization as terrorists, you can get in serious trouble if you provide vaguely defined support, but if members or supporters of such organizations are living in your neighborhood you say: who cares.
The funny side note about so-called terrorist organizations doing exactly what the US was and is trying to do is just that. Adds another layer when meeting someone wearing the symbol: should I report them to the police or should I thank him for sparing us the trouble saving the Yazidis?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)Oh, well.
alphafemale
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BOO!
EEEK!!!!
Hide the Children's faces!!!!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Do the grapes mean something or is the whole thing terrifying, I am naive to this claim you make.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts).....full body shudder.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)hlthe2b
(102,290 posts)More threat to me at the moment. LOL
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)They stole it, and everyone hates them.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)get the red out
(13,466 posts)I really don't examine people that closely or keep up with designs to be aware of; I'm just not that observant.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Mother Fucker.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)So you must be joking.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Say hello. Maybe ask him/her how their day is going. Not pretend I know enough about anyone to make any rash, irrational presumptions.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm bad with flags.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)on the mend and a Saddam-backed genocidal pseudosocialist death cult on the US and EU terrorist list were really just a crew of nice guys, and we knew it was true because the WH said so
2011-14 they said we need to arm and fund the most ultra-Salafist of ultra-Salafists in order to topple Qaddafi and Assad, and in fact egg them on in their political theology
2014: some ultra-ultra-Salafists that are definitely not connected to the ultra-ultra-Salafists we like and who definitely are not being funded by Riyadh or Doha so stop saying that have machine-gunned a lot of people so we have to fund any Kurd or Shiite
2015: the Yazidis conduct more honor killings than anyone else, the PKK is on everyone's terror list for a reason, and the peshmerga were the ones who mostly did the Armenian Genocide: we need to support the Mahdi against this scourge!
March 2016: Israel killed over 40 Americans and we already opposed them in 1956: we have to fund the Circassians and the Egyptians against this threat!
April 2016: support the glorious Israeli-Druze alliance against the Maronite Axis!
now, I don't see any contradiction in any of the above: how can you say they're flip-flopping if it's always the same guys talking?! only Paulbots, Naderites, and FDR Democrats listen to *what* people say instead of who's saying it! this will be your final and only warning