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Renouncing U.S. citizenship is about to get a lot more expensive (Original Post) GummyBearz Sep 2014 OP
$2350 still isn't a lot. Xithras Sep 2014 #1
Yes but.. GummyBearz Sep 2014 #2
Concern noted. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #4
yikes... GummyBearz Sep 2014 #6
If it's genuinely a matter of covering costs, I don't have a problem with it. Xithras Sep 2014 #8
I cant disagree GummyBearz Sep 2014 #9
Mixed Feelings About The Fee Raise Vogon_Glory Sep 2014 #3
Mostly agree GummyBearz Sep 2014 #5
It is dishonest to claim one is being 'kept in' because one is charged a fee when one rejects one's Bluenorthwest Sep 2014 #7
Still not expensive enough. nt conservaphobe Sep 2014 #10
yea GummyBearz Sep 2014 #11
That bait is not red enough... make it redder. nt conservaphobe Sep 2014 #12
good point GummyBearz Sep 2014 #13
 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
2. Yes but..
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 11:49 AM
Sep 2014

Its more the principle of the thing that puts a bad taste in my mouth... even though I personally dont ever intend to renounce my citizenship, it just goes against my concept of what a free society is all about

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
6. yikes...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:01 PM
Sep 2014

If youre going to take notes on my opinions please dont let me know... it was bad enough finding out the NSA does it

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
8. If it's genuinely a matter of covering costs, I don't have a problem with it.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:11 PM
Sep 2014

They are claiming that the actual work involved costs $2350, and that the government has been subsidizing it. There is no valid reason for taxpayers to subsidize people who are leaving the system by their own choice.

You might have a point if the government were charging $10,000 or $50,000 for the purpose of punishing or profiting from those who are leaving, but $2,350 sounds reasonable for the amount of work involved. "Free society" doesn't mean "free ride".

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
9. I cant disagree
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:29 PM
Sep 2014

I cant disagree with your point... other than to gripe about the inefficiency of the system... in a digital age where passports can be revoked with a few mouse clicks, cant they just do the same with citizenship?

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
3. Mixed Feelings About The Fee Raise
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 11:50 AM
Sep 2014

I have mixed feelings about the raise in fees for renouncing US citizenship. On the one hand, I can see why some people, especially those folks married to foreigners and living abroad, might choose to formally renounce their US citizenship after formally changing their allegiance to their new country. On the other, I have seen far too many articles in places like Forbes and other magazines touting the tax advantages of renouncing their US citizenship for multi-millionaires and billionaires.

Despite the financial pain for people of modest means, I have no qualms about soaking tax-evading billionaires who choose to renounce their ties to the country that gave them birth.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
5. Mostly agree
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 11:58 AM
Sep 2014

I agree with you for the most part. The only thing I would add is that the tax evading billionaires wont feel any pain by paying the new increase fee at all. Also, they find effective ways to avoid taxes even with their citizenship. Really its no harm to them at all

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. It is dishonest to claim one is being 'kept in' because one is charged a fee when one rejects one's
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:06 PM
Sep 2014

citizenship in favor of taking another. There is no nation which allows a citizen to simply 'swap out' citizenship. It is not the same as limiting ability to exit the country, as you claim. To renounce, you must already have qualified for citizenship elsewhere. That is, you don't want your passport revoked, you want to surrender it in exchange for another passport. It is hard to convince me that persons with financial or other ties to a new country strong enough to cause a desire to for total repatriation would be hindered by a small fee as part of what is a complex and expensive process no matter what. It's impossible to convince me that charging a fee for changing one's permanent citizenship is the same as preventing people from traveling abroad or even living abroad.

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