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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:59 PM Sep 2014

Goldman Sachs now admits that at least $27 of the price of crude oil is from reckless speculation

http://thinkprogress.org/report/koch-oil-speculation/

n April,(2011?) ThinkProgress caused a stir when we uncovered a series of Koch Industries corporate documents revealing the company’s role as an oil speculator. Like many oil companies, Koch uses legitimate hedging products to create price stability. However, the documents reveal that Koch is also participating in the unregulated derivatives markets as a financial player, buying and selling speculative products that are increasingly contributing to the skyrocketing price of oil. Excessive energy speculation today is at its highest levels ever, and even Goldman Sachs now admits that at least $27 of the price of crude oil is a result from reckless speculation rather than market fundamentals of supply and demand. Many experts interviewed by ThinkProgress argue that the figure is far higher, and out of control speculation has doubled the current price of crude oil.

– October 6, 1986: First oil derivative is introduced to Wall Street by traders at Koch. Koch Industries executive Lawrence Kitchen devised the “first ever oil-indexed price swap between Koch Industries and Chase Manhattan Bank.” At the time, such derivatives had been limited to currency markets, and the shift of creating a synthetic financial instrument based on the value of crude oil was revolutionary. For an agreed-upon period, an oil swap is a contract where one party makes payments based on a fixed oil price, and the other party makes payments back based on the changing spot price of oil. In July of 2009, EnergyRisk magazine, a publication for commodity traders, posted a piece exploring the very first oil derivatives and Koch’s role in developing them.

– 1990-1992: Koch, along with several oil companies and Wall Street speculators, form a coalition lobbying group to deregulate oil speculation. A coalition called “The Energy Group” is organized to press the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) to allow oil derivatives to be traded off the NYMEX or any other regulated exchange. Participants in the coalition include Koch, Enron, Phibro (a powerful commodity speculator firm recently sold from Citigroup to Occidental Petroleum), J. Aron & Co (a commodity trading division of Goldman Sachs), BP, and other companies.

– January 21, 1993. Wendy Gramm makes first major move to deregulate oil speculation. “On the final day of the [George H.W.] Bush administration, January 21, 1993, [CFTC chairwoman] Wendy Gramm … approved the rule exempting key energy futures contracts from government regulation and returned a great chunk of the energy market to the grand old days of unregulated futures trading,” writes author Antonia Juhasz in the book Tyranny of Oil. The move mirrored the demands made by Koch’s lobbying coalition, The Energy Group. Gramm, the wife of then-Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX), leaves the Commodity Futues Trading Commission and a month later joins the board of directors of Enron.




How is this okay?

Why doesn't Obama use the bully pulpit to expose this?

Millions of American are starving, homeless, so that these assholes can make more money to use to buy more corrupt Republicans?

Remember when gas was $1 and you could drive anywhere for next to nothing, enjoy national parks, drive to see family etc.

Now it cost $300 per month just to get to work and back?

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Goldman Sachs now admits that at least $27 of the price of crude oil is from reckless speculation (Original Post) J_J_ Sep 2014 OP
I wonder if, absent that $27, tar sands extraction would be cost-effective? arcane1 Sep 2014 #1
Interesting question.... PoutrageFatigue Sep 2014 #2
+1 Scuba Sep 2014 #4
Exactly. merrily Sep 2014 #6
I'm guessing $27 is a conservative estimate. I'm sure there's more they're not telling us. Initech Sep 2014 #3
Yep, it's safer to be a criminal in business as traders and billionaire CEOs. For the RKP5637 Sep 2014 #7
Goldman Sachs mob strikes again! Film at 11. merrily Sep 2014 #5
Man, those guys are evil geniuses BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #8
They grow like cancer. nt valerief Sep 2014 #10
It wouldn't cost that much to get to work if workplaces outside the home were valerief Sep 2014 #9
"reckless" ? or just plain greedy KurtNYC Sep 2014 #11
The 6 largest US banks are 40% of the economy airplaneman Sep 2014 #12
Oh its not just the banks that need breaking up alot of the media and telecommunications cstanleytech Sep 2014 #15
I am very much in favor of breaking up all big business airplaneman Sep 2014 #19
Well, they have to figure in the costs of getting Hillary to entertain them at $200k a pop. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #13
I am sure that if H. Clinton gets the presidency her close affiliation with Goldman-Sachs rhett o rick Sep 2014 #14
rhett, even if Warren got to be president it wouldnt help as long cstanleytech Sep 2014 #16
Oh really? You want me to walk down the reality path? I was just convincing rhett o rick Sep 2014 #17
Your life is only going to get worse and worse unless the rich are stopped AZ Progressive Sep 2014 #18
 

PoutrageFatigue

(416 posts)
2. Interesting question....
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 01:02 PM
Sep 2014

...but i think that $27 is far too low...if that's what they're willing to admit to, the real number is likely to be much, MUCH higher..

Initech

(100,081 posts)
3. I'm guessing $27 is a conservative estimate. I'm sure there's more they're not telling us.
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 01:07 PM
Sep 2014

The criminals in this world are the speculation traders and billionaire CEOs..

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
7. Yep, it's safer to be a criminal in business as traders and billionaire CEOs. For the
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 01:13 PM
Sep 2014

most part, one just travels along unscathed by the legal system and with enough money one can usually buy themselves out of a bad situation and return to more shenanigans. And if you play it right, the moron factor of the US populace will see you as a great hero.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
9. It wouldn't cost that much to get to work if workplaces outside the home were
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:20 PM
Sep 2014

accessible by efficient public transportation and/or we were driving electric cars.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
12. The 6 largest US banks are 40% of the economy
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:50 PM
Sep 2014

I am convinced they suck up more than 90% of the money to be made. The rest of us are screwed. This is probably 75% of why the rich are getting richer and the rest of us are sinking.
I would recommend breaking up all these banks.
-Airplane

cstanleytech

(26,295 posts)
15. Oh its not just the banks that need breaking up alot of the media and telecommunications
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:01 PM
Sep 2014

plus alot of the retail chains could do with a large breakup imo.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
19. I am very much in favor of breaking up all big business
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

It is much healthier to have a bunch of small business rather than big monopolies.
Eisenhower campaigned on keep antitrust breakup alive.
Big Food, Walmart, Big Pharma. The Oil companies - the list goes on and on.
Reminds me of a good joke.
What are the three branched of government.
Answer,
Financial, energy, and pharma.
-Airplane

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. I am sure that if H. Clinton gets the presidency her close affiliation with Goldman-Sachs
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:00 PM
Sep 2014

will enable her to make them toe the line.




(if you need the tag you are worse off than me)

cstanleytech

(26,295 posts)
16. rhett, even if Warren got to be president it wouldnt help as long
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:03 PM
Sep 2014

as the rich and powerful still control the other branches of the government.
I mean we are at the point where you might as well stick nascar ad like stickers on the varies elected officials as well as many of the SCOTUS judges.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. Oh really? You want me to walk down the reality path? I was just convincing
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 04:39 PM
Sep 2014

myself we had a chance. It's really all I have, so plez don't take it away.

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