It needed to be done.

and are now lying about it. It was reported at the time that a second video existed and several reporters are on record saying the Ravens and the NFL had seen it. Some of those reporters (namely Peter King) are now backtracking, but the fact that they knew a video existed, would have been available to Rice and his legal team, and refused to view it make you feel.

My favorite baseball team was run into the ground for 14 straight years thanks to inept ownership before finally recovering. My second favorite baseball team keeps on selling off its best-known players even after getting a partially publicly funded stadium. I've long moved past the point where a team's owners affects whether I root for them or not. I root for a team because of the city they represent, nothing more and nothing less.

Most sports teams owners are corrupt jerks. If you wanted to base your allegiance to a sports team based on upstanding team ownership.....well, good luck.

But yeah I hear what you're saying.

....Ben Roethlisberger.

And even if there was no second video, the first one wasn't damning enough? Are these the actions of someone who has accidentally injured someone they're planning to marry?

For those DUers who don't know what this is about, Ray Rice is the player who abused his wife in an elevator. Video is now available of the incident.

At any rate, they have a baby now.

because the man starts to feel trapped, never mind she's the one carrying the real burden.

I think I may have known that on some level.

Very sad. I don't see this ending well at all.

Where'd you hear that?

extra good for victims.

dont want to like the movie because not Costner fan either, but what a movie

Absolutely no remorse. I can imagine him screaming at her to wake up, and calling her names.

He's so nonchalant about it. He doesn't bend down to check if she is ok. He doesn't look worried at all about her, even though he might have killed her. He doesn't appear to be screaming for someone to call 911. He just kicks her legs to move them over, yanks her body out of the elevator like a sack of potatoes. So disgusting.

with another NFL team on the other end.

The Ravens organization did the right thing.

At least as many women as men.

They have jerseys cut for the female shape, they have hair adornments with team logos on them, necklaces, bracelets and earings with team colors. . .

They wouldn't have all that out there if there weren't tons and tons of women who are fans of the NFL.

I can't speak for the rest.

I was disgusted before the tape. Probably less than 1 in 10 men were, but that's just a guess.

The jerky guys are the most vocal.

Can't dismiss the number of men who will not give a damn one way or the other.

"Maybe she deserved it" or "he didn't really mean it." And as someone else said, I would hope that it wouldn't require women fans for this to be shocking and unacceptable. I would hope that the owners would think it enough in itself, but if not, that they'd at least fear losing male fans over this as much as they'd fear losing female fans.

It is my understanding that the NFL suspended him

Is this a lifetime thing or just a year or so, if it's just a year the Eagles will be relieved.

Good to see they did the right thing...

Although I'm not convinced that Ravens management didn't see the second video, since the commissioner almost certainly saw it...

two were sports writers. They do not believe for one minute that the NFL and the Ravens had not previously seen the tape. So your are right... the owners thought it would stay hidden.

had just been released to the public from day one, so we could have skipped this whole charade...

Whoever had been sitting on it for all these months, I hope they got their price from TMZ...

Good on the Ravens management for doing the right thing.

If you're looking for an argument defending the NFL, I am going to have to disappoint you.

Sid

No jail time, just a first offender intervention. So it's not like the indictment did a lot either.

At least the NFL could be shamed into getting rid of him.

This despite seeing these videos. They ended up dropping the charges against her, and gave Rice a slap on the wrist.

I honestly thought they'd try to ride it out.

I saw the story on google news - is this the same video as before?

It has been available for a while.

and he knocked her to the side and she hit her head on the railing. He definitely hit her, but his fist didn't deliver the KO.

If I were a DA, I'd think this video could be used by either side in court.

However, dumping her on the sidewalk like so much garbage was Klassy to the max. For that alone, he should have been dumped weeks ago.

It doesn't matter if she was dead drunk, if it was an accident, or if he'd battered her to a pulp. Civilized people don't throw unconscious spouses out like that.

Please tell me she's gotten some sense and filed for divorce.

It would certainly explain why she tried to get up in his face.

He's an asshole. She needs to leave and I sincerely hope she has. Maybe losing the meal ticket of an NFL gig will do it if being spit at, shoved, knocked unconscious, and dumped on a sidewalk with the whole world watching didn't do it.

hit that KO'ed her.

Despicable. The NFL and law enforcement totally screwed this up.

That is an ENORMOUS move. That guy was a very significant player for them.

They didn't wait very long either

and now they have to do the right thing.

"The NFL has a zero tolerance policy for domestic violence that is caught on video in its entirety" ,but it's still good news.

shithead. You can let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.

that he thinks this is her fault.

While i support your sentiment, i have my doubts.

Maybe now that his career is in shambles he won't seem as appealing.

she needs to get the eff out while she still can. It was her fault he hit her, and it was her fault he's no longer a pro football player. She'll be lucky if he doesn't kill her.

"Rice probably believes it's her fault..."

An undeserved alert might be frustrating.

It would never occur to me that anyone would think otherwise.

On DU I've seen quite a few "I was unfairly alerted on because they misread/misunderstood my post." Wanted to help make sure an alert wasn't made. Carry on

ETA: see a potential example downthread.

Because obviously, he's a highly unappealing person.

not just being married to one.

Sometimes it is really hard to know what to do. in those circumstances. There are numerous support groups and avenues to take. Friends, family, law enforcement. Or anonymous sources such as this:
http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Physical-Emotional-Abuse/support-group

No argument here. Just clarifying the timeline.

He gets to wear a helmet when he gets hit. He's also well aware of the lifelong effects of concussions.

he knocked her out...well I just don't understand that.

On a blind date, the subject of domestic violence came up. My date was surprised when I said I'd never see someone again if they hit me even once. When he questioned that, saying every guy deserves a second chance, I changed my policy to I'd never even date someone who believes women should not leave the guy after their first hit.

indicator of whether a guy is a danger for hitting is if he's ever hit before - even once. I think a fair indicator of whether a guy will hit someone if if he's ever vocalized about it even hypothetically. I'd sure pay attention to that guy's demeanor.

and got out of there fast.

"should get a second chance" after hitting a woman* even once, he's either an abuser himself or seriously in need of re-educating. If the latter, telling him you're no longer interested could be a valuable first step in that education.

* hopefully it's obvious I mean in a domestic situation ... I can imagine other situations where it doesn't matter what gender the aggressor is, it's ok to defend yourself. But in a domestic situation, one should never resort to violence. If one is the weaker, it's stupid, and if one is the stronger, it's immoral.

and I don't fully understand the dynamic in an abusive relationship, having never been in one. I have read that women are at a high risk of being murdered while in the process of leaving. They both obviously need some serious professional help.

a YWCA hotline for women. It never gets better after the first hit, which is why it's important to get out sooner in a violent relationship rather than later.

I'd like to see a study, though, as to whether the percentage of women murdered is higher if they stay in a violent relationship or higher if they try to leave. I have my suspicions it's higher for those that stay.

"Women are at highest risk of injury or violence when they are separating from or divorcing a partner."

http://www.pbs.org/kued/nosafeplace/studyg/domestic.html

point at which their risk of injury or death is highest. And especially trying to leave when their abuser is physically present. That is why organizations that advise and help the abused make carefully preparations for their departure, often even helping to hide them.

But have not seen data as to whether staying or leaving results in more deaths.

Thanks for the link.

I'm guessing she's not in a safe place.

my hope she's safe and he doesn't take it out on her.

Only the NFL front office (Roger Goodell) can reinstate Rice; and given what has transpired now and the last few months, they may decide to make an example of him.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces

Before he kills her for getting him banned.

move heaven and earth to prove that the NFL had viewed the video or at least had been presented the video to be viewed. The player's contract does not allow them and go back to revise punishment after the original decision has been made. If Rice shows that nothing has changed, then I suspect he will get a nice settlement from the NFL.

The NFL is should be ashamed along with the reporters, the DA, and everyone else involved in this business.

The Ravens have every right to cut him though. I won't give them any cred for doing it now. The video has always been available.

I'd contend the release was a separate action (ie morals clause) and not a revised punishment. You'd have to prove otherwise.

Not a lawyer...just playing one (badly) on the intertubes.

Punishment for off field conduct was a bargained issue between the union and the owners. They agreed to the framework.

He got 2 games and did no appeal. He was serving his suspension, upholding his contract.

The new video came out. Ravens cut him. Ok, within their rights but since the season started last thursday, Rice's contract became vested and they are in the hook for this year's salary and there are salary cap issues going forward.

The nfl saying they did not know about the video? Pure, unadulterated horseshit. They just figured it would not get out.

Rice has nothing to lose - he has lost it all. Litigate, litigate, litigate. Sue ravens, the owners, union if they do not grieve this. Subpeona tmz, the casino etc.

This will get ugly.

NFL should have given him a year off. They got crucified for it. Do not believe them.

Especially by the men defending him. Are men really pissed because they think women are taking away their rights?

I'll take it. I find it hard to believe they did not have access to this video before, but if they didn't, kudos to them for doing the right thing.

The sad part about all of this is that you know Ray is going to take this out on his now-wife. That wasn't the first time he was violent towards her and it probably won't be the last.

If she has anyone who cares about her, hopefully they will be suggesting she pack her bags and say goodbye to that toxic relationship.

it was a waste of time. <= meaning this isn't the first time I've seen someone claim what she did was slap him.

If you call what she did in the video at 11 seconds a slap, then I'd stay out of boxing rings 'cause you've gotta have a glass jaw or bad eyesight. She also didn't "charge" him--she stepped forward, she seemed pissed but that doesn't mean her behavior elicited getting knocked the fuck out. If you look at the video it also looks like he spits on her before the 11 sec "slap."

and jailed for domestic violence immediately after the incident, as both of them had hit the other. The video-captured punch was a despicable escalation of their violence, though. I didn't follow the story after their arrest to see if both of them were prosecuted, though.

ETA: the simple assault charges against her were dismissed, but he was indicted for third-degree aggravated assault.

I'm not denying she hit him, you can see it in the video but if he even felt it, I'd be surprised. There was nothing behind the "slap." She barely flailed her arm.

The charges against her were ultimately dismissed.

for sure.

what he did was wrong but it seems like she also had some part in
ramping up the problem. Alcohol is a wicked drug.

Obviously her fault that he had to knock her out.

Not sure what happens before elevator

So she slapped him. He needed to leave her, not knock her the fuck out.

n/t

Don't say you're not when you clearly are.

n/t

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He clearly spit at her before they got into the elevator and possibly while they were getting on.

Possibly the most fucked up post in a very long time. Shame on you!

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and then drag her out like a piece of garbage.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

.... saw the women act in a way to increase the fight. He never should have hit her.

"increase the fight"

Is that your take? She asked for it because she "increased the fight"?

Stop before you totally make yourself look worse.

Nice.

Ya see--- fucking dopes like that are in the "she's also to blame" crowd.

You know nothing about me or my background or what I have seen or done.