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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis U.S Ally Beheaded 19 People Last Month One of Them was for Practicing Sorcery
And no, it was not Palau.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/06/this-u-s-ally-beheaded-19-people-last-month-one-of-them-was-for-practicing-sorcery/
Any execution is appalling, but executions for crimes such as drug smuggling or sorcery that result in no loss of life are particularly egregious, said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa Director in a press release. There is simply no excuse for Saudi Arabias continued use of the death penalty, especially for these types of crimes....
According to the Saudi Press Agency, the Saudi government news agency, on August 18, authorities executed four Saudi men in Najran province. A court had previously convicted the men identified as Hadi al-Mutlaq, Awadh al-Mutlaq, Mufreh al-Yami, and Ali al-Yami of attempting to smuggle hashish into the country.
Hajras in al-Qurey a mentally ill man was sentenced to be publicly beheaded on January 16, 2013. The man allegedly smuggled drugs into Saudi Arabia and attacked a police officer during his and his sons arrest. Al-Qureys son confessed to smuggling drugs, but said his father was unaware of drugs being in the car. Al-Qureys son also said that his father was put into a solitary confinement cell to intimidate him into confessing. He also alleges that his father was beaten which caused him to plead guilty despite originally maintaining his pleas that he is innocent.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Make 'em white people, or Christians, and then the United States will perk up.
MH1
(17,600 posts)Yeah I know we don't always follow this rule, but generally we should probably not being telling other countries how to enforce their laws on their own people, right?
We have our own barbaric methods of execution, after all.
When a non-state (non-recognized, at least) group like ISIL beheads citizens of OTHER countries, yes those other countries have a right to be upset. Don't you think so?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)But also in general.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)I think it was to have a blade sharp enough that it passes through the neck like butter. In the video it showed more or less a pocket knife doing the killing. The Saudi's use that long extremely sharp knife that is akin to a guillotine cut. Our IV death in prison is worse than their knife (IMO).
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)that?
samsingh
(17,599 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Not to mention the people our killers have dismembered with bombs, drones, and artillery.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Oh wait... never mind...
http://www.anyclip.com/movies/fahrenheit-9-11/saudi-embassy-guarded/#!quotes/
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)DURec
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)when the top priority is $$$$$!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Asshole of the World. And the "royal" family are literally the King Shits from Turd Hill.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)and about Saudi Arabia I can only say, to paraphrase Goethe, nothing is more terrible than absurdly rich and arrogant pig-ignorance in action.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And here's today's "Freedom Fries" moment...
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Saudi Arabia is one of the most backward-thinking and brutally repressive places on the planet. If I owned hell and SA, I'd live in hell and rent out SA.
i don't like the government under which I live to be kissing the asses of people who act like stone-age barbarians and organize their society along the same lines.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I used to rationalize the stupid shit I'd say instead of learning about people, too.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)a society that beheads people for "practicing sorcery" as a regular part of their legal system in the 21st century.
That kind of says it all, don't you think?
edhopper
(33,587 posts)because if so, that is some stupid shit your saying.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)There's a lot of hypocrisy to go around, you see.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I'm so damn tired of the hypocrisy, the mealy mouthed responses in the rare occasion when it happens, the complacency among party members, media, political pundit and their whores to boot.
I'm just sick of it. thanks for nailing it squarely on the head.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)bucks for those that make the actual decisions ......
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Saudi beheadings are not as bad as ISIS beheadings because the Saudis held a trial before, ya see, makes it legit, so nothing to see here, look away.
Not to mention they have oil, lots and lots of oil........
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)ISIS is not a sovereign nation with it's own constitution. As abhorrent as it is, Saudi Arabia is established as a sovereign nation as is North Korea and any other nation with abhorrent laws. Had SA beheaded other nationals without a trial, without a national or international standing, without sovereignty, they would be treated like ISIS. Those two government regimes are not equivalents.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)FAIL.
2banon
(7,321 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)We have the death penalty, as well.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)and when it does execute people, it's only for murder, not drug smuggling or sorcery.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)meaning they play ball with the rich and powerful in the US. They are certainly one of the least moderate nations in the world.
randr
(12,412 posts)After all the terrorist's only want to create another nation that is just like S.A.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)... gee, how surprising that the Saudis routinely behead people they don't like. ...
since it is the Saudis who created ISIS/ISIL to be USA's brand spanking new ME boogie man to scare the bejesus out of unsuspecting US citizens.
Surprise surprise.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Islam Karimov is the long-time dictator of Uzbekistan and a U.S. ally. In the so-called Andijan massacre, his troops opened fire on peaceful protestors. The incident has been likened to Tienanmen Square. More recently, he reportedly ordered the house arrest of his own daughter.
Yet everyone from Bill Clinton to Michael Bloomberg to Donald Rumsfeld has praised him:
"I am delighted to be back in Uzbekistan. I've just had a long and very interesting and helpful discussion with the president ... Uzbekistan is a key member of the coalition's global war on terror. And I brought the president the good wishes of President Bush and our appreciation for their stalwart support in the war on terror ... Our relationship is strong and has been growing stronger."
- US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in Tashkent, February 2004
Why? Because, as the Asia Times explained, "... Karimov in Uzbekistan is as essential a piece in the great oil and gas chessboard as Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan."
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)The cause of and solution to all our problems. (Homer)
(Simpson)
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)The executioner stands behind the subject. He has a giant wide sword. He pokes the subject in the back this causes the subject to tense all of his muscles stabalizing the head and the blade is swung at that instant.
Now if you have a guy who mass murdered and raped then I would look the other way. But these Saudi assholes jist love the sport and will execute any poor person for any reason.
I fucking hate Saudi Arabia because its full of rich assholes.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
whathehell
(29,067 posts)in the developed world.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
whathehell
(29,067 posts)facts or perspective be damned.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It's always good to brush up on a topic before going for "the big one", bro
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Best To Check Your Treaties Before Going For The Big One Bro.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)They're one of their very biggest customers.
The only reason America "protects" the Saudis militarily is because they have the
means to do it. The Euros haven't offered significant military "protection" to anyone
for some time -- They depend on us to do it.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)But, the oil! I know they're horrible and regressive. But, the oil!
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because blah blah and a triple helping of authoritative-sounding world salad babbling blah.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Look at a couple of the responses to my comments upthread. I am bad for criticizing a "country" that beheads people for "practicing sorcery" in the 21st century. I guess I should go to sensitivity training and forget about things like reason, modernity and morality. Some people's kids.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)As to your comments, yes, of course,
The ISIS Apologists -- Those striving for "Cultural Tolerance" by
equating Head Carve Offs with gun shots and lethal injections,
for instance, left the Land of the Credible long ago.
The lengths they will go to achieve PC Perfection,
would be laughable were they not so blatantly dishonest.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I guessed which country it was before I clicked on the thread.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)and allowed the Saudi Families to Exit the USA when all our US Planes were grounded after "9/11." Saudi Families were allowed to Exit the USA for fear of reprisals.
So...we get all scared by this group of Thugs dressed up like they are going to be in the next Apocalypse Movie with their Cool Black Outfits & Flags and their Theatrical Poses ........because we are to be SOOOOO AFRAID that they are coming for our Women and Children right over the USA BORDER and THEY MIGHT ALREADY BE HERE! OOPS .....I guess our TSA and NSA just couldn't catch them in time...because they were too busy patting all of us up, Scanning our Bodies and Listening and Scaping Up and Profiling all our Internet Activities.
indepat
(20,899 posts)might be for a bud is a bud, but those who are not our buds bestest not commit dastardly iniquities.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and SA, have said virtually nothing about either the shooting down of the plane
carrying all of those Dutch citizens OR Russia's annexation of Crimea.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Why did you mention Palau?
Love that place!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)er, I mean 'Willing' , despite the fact they have no military.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I forgot all about that!
Thanks!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)They support them financially, as large, regular customers. Europe
depends on their oil far more than we do, at this point.