Those who support the imperialist venture of the fascist Putin in Ukraine do face a problem, however. Support for their view is pretty thin on the ground, since the facts of the situation are against them, and therefore they are driven ever farther into the darker recesses of the inter-net, to cite for their support the opinions of less and less savory persons. If it were not for fools, washed-up former journalists, knee-jerk anti-U.S. radicals, and flat out lunatics and racists, they would have little to cite at all, except of course the open propaganda of the Russian government.

state enterprises . . .

Anti-Semitism and lunacy do not bother them, but corporate investors and businessmen...?

Is that he wrote it to try and distance himself from the tremendous quantity of Anti-Semitic postings he hosts on his blog.

His line in that screed is this:

'Look, I don't have to be told about all the ghastly evil Jews do, I'm perfectly well aware of it. But don't confuse me with some Nazi extremist or bigoted anti-semite! I'm just a salt-of-the-earth, feet-on-the-ground, sensible kind of guy who knows just what Jews get up to in this world. Not some kind of nut like some of you who post on my blog.'

Two days ago he posted about a 'genuine' Italian fascist coming over to join his troops, so that he could fight the 'bad pro-American' fascists that are fighting on the Ukrainian side

[link:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/508976164954972160|

Recall there was a crew of West European fascists brought in to act as observers for the vote in Crimea....

( surprise surprise ) justified intervention in Ukraine as necessary to resist Jewish plots to dominate the planet.

Cough, cough.

https://twitter.com/Catherina_News/status/506631848148336640

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No respectable DUer should be promoting either vineyardsaker, or PCR.

I've railed against white-nationalist asshat PCR for years. One prominent DUer even promised to stop reading him, if it was shown that he was involved with that VDARE hate-site.

Of course, the prominent DUer quickly reneged on that promise, and continued to link to PCR, despite knowing exactly what kind of scumbag racist PCR is.

Thanks for making this post.

Sid

You spent a lot of time and energy making out the case bobthedrummer and I weren't worthy because we quoted what an ex-assistant secretary of the Treasury had to say.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2080243

Odd, considering how you never added to the discussion or what Paul Craig Roberts had to say on today's GOP being a bunch of Brownshirts, Bush and Cheney should be tried as traitors, and that Gov. Don Siegelman was railroaded by the BFEE.

Oh. "Asshat." That's also what you called Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., SidDithers of DU.

Nice to see you still defending that Buchanan fan though, Octafish of DU.

Bartcop coined the term "Bush Family Evil Empire" to denote the 60-year pre-eminence of one family in the formation of the political philosophy in the United States, that of the War Party. And, yes, personally, I have tried to chronicle their influence on the ascension of the national security state. At least three generations have held high national office, while also making big money off war and looting the public Treasury. The last president of the United States, a man who wasn't elected fair and square by any stretch of the imagination, actually said: "Money trumps peace" at a press conference. For some reason, not a single "journalist" had the guts to ask him what he meant by that.

So, yes. I've noticed you never seem to post anything that adds to what we know about these treasonous warmongers. I also noticed you do like to post the photo of the grinning Joker.

While the BFEE and Fukushima, plutonium and nuclear power and their impact on the world may be funny to you, they aren't funy to me.

This might've been before your time: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3853817

Sorry you missed it.

I've been a member since 2010 and came back from a hiatus during the Snowden leaks, so no, not before my time.

What you are doing is smearing me and I don't appreciate that.

Feel free to go through my Journal on DU3 or DU2.

I've asked you, repeatedly, to show where I've intentionally lied or presented information that was not true on DU.

And I'm still waiting.

Almost forgot: What kind of record you got, SidDithers of DU?

Links to Paul Craig Roberts and that other website should be an universally shunned here. Not a call for "more conversation".

Some conversations do not need to happen on this site.

The people who post these up sometimes sound like creationists of climate-change deniers, trying a 'teach the controversy' line, and complaining that pointing out lunacy and racism is 'shutting down debate'....

No matter how many times you can point out that people like Roberts are horrendously antisemitic and should not be taken as any source of fact or proper opinion, they still post quotes from him and that other website as if they were The Truth About Everything™.

"I'm not going to stand here and debate a dining room table.'

And by the way, the LaRouchite line on events in Ukraine is precisely that of 'team Putin' here; in fact, people from the LaRouchite magazine, Executive Intelligence Review, are frequently interviewed and cited as sources of analysis by Russia Times.

Put bluntly, it makes one wonder what the proportion of our trolls on this topic hale from the youth wing of the LaRouche organization....

Like those Azov Battalion guys?

Is that a great many people professing to be leftists bent all out of shape over 'Ukrainian Nazis' are perfectly happy to cite and even support commentators who peddle Nazi ideas, who are anti-semitic racists, who are fascist in their leanings where they are not outright lunatics, as well as to overlook entirely the deep strain of fascism and neo-nazism to be found in Russia's politics and government, and in the secessionist fighters in eastern Ukraine. In short, a good many here oppose 'nazis' in Ukraine only where it is convenient for their party line, and range themselves alongside and endorse 'nazis' when doing so is equally convenient for their party line.

My position is not based on alignment with any element in Kiev. I consider it clear that Russia under Putin is embarked on a campaign to reconstitute the old land empire of Russia as it existed under the Czars and the Soviets, and I oppose this. I particularly oppose it when it involves invasion of a sovereign state neighboring Russia, and tossing into the trash-can of history the principle, which has mostly held and kept the peace in Europe for more than sixty years, that borders between sovereign European states are not to be altered by force. While I do think the government in Kiev legitimate, I would oppose the imperialist venture of Putin regardless. The only grounds I would change my view of the matter over would be had the Kiev government embarked on the sort of genocidal campaign Serbia did in Bosnia and was preparing in Kosovo, and there is no serious claim of any such thing before the secessionist movement began as a Russian proxy for seizure of territory from Ukraine.

But the question of what persons holding themselves out as leftists here will stoop to in citation for analysis and facts is something else, and is worth discussing.

everywhere. If the Invasion USA scenario did come to pass, there would be plenty of our white nationalists shooting back.

I shake my head in disbelief. I mean, do these people really believe that garbarge?

She was caught red-handed....

A sort of philosopher's stone, able to turn minds to mush on sight, though to be fair, some of those minds already may have been a bit past their sell-by date....