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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:14 PM Sep 2014

Why Don’t We Have Pay Toilets in America?

A great article with a salute to high school friends Ira and Michael Gessel:

http://www.psmag.com/navigation/business-economics/dont-pay-toilets-america-bathroom-restroom-free-market-90683/#.VBn7_CTEq70.facebook

In June of 1970, CEPTIA held it’s first official meeting at the Dayton Public Library, although it started 15 minutes late because library officials were worried an adult was not present. The meeting was attended by 29 members—mostly friends of the four founders—and the group cited a total membership of 48 at the time. Lifetime membership cost a quarter and included a card signed by one of the founders. The group also created an anthem, a newsletter, and a logo. The anthem, to the tune of your standard high school fight song, featured such double entendres as “We’ll work until we know / that toilets in America / Are free where-e’er we go / We’ll flush them out! / We’ll wipe them out! / We pledge, O CEPTIA!”

The quarterly newsletter, titled the Free Toilet Paper, reported on the group’s activities and included the odd anecdote about encountering pay toilets on vacations abroad. “We feel that pay toilets are unjust infringements on our basic human rights … elimination is an important body function that must take place, dime or no dime,” Michael wrote in the first issue, which reads very much like a product of the lighthearted movement the group was at the time. “The social action committee hopes to be able to present CEPTIA members with effective weapons of guerrilla warfare in the form of … bumper stickers.”

The logo, though, was the group’s tour de force, an emblem unique to its time and CEPTIA’s place in it: a fist, pulled from the New Left movement, grasping chains and rising out of a toilet bowl. Froiken came up with the idea after seeing an ad for laundry detergent in which a fist bursts out of a washing machine.

In early 1971, CEPTIA was bankrolled to the tune of $25.20, or, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ inflation calculator, $148.30 in 2014 dollars. They used Ira and Michael’s father’s printing machines and kept costs low by staying up-to-date on postage increases.


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Why Don’t We Have Pay Toilets in America? (Original Post) OilemFirchen Sep 2014 OP
I remember quite well when we did. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #1
I do as well. It inspired the "Here I sit broken hearted.." Limerick CentralMass Sep 2014 #4
Paid a DIME, and only farted! MADem Sep 2014 #27
German fee toilet RazzleCat Sep 2014 #29
I remember going to a pay toilet that was like a polished marble and granite palace. MADem Sep 2014 #32
Clearly you visited not a "normal" restaurant. OldEurope Sep 2014 #34
Same here MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #5
+1000 nt laundry_queen Sep 2014 #12
When I was growing up there were paid toilets underthematrix Sep 2014 #7
I remember them too. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #10
PAY PHONES! Yeah, we're getting old. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #11
yeah, just calculated that a dime then would be 59 cents today nilram Sep 2014 #25
Because Americans would vandalize the fuck out of them to the point of unprofitability. JVS Sep 2014 #2
If I remember correctly, they were outlawed in the early 70's DJ13 Sep 2014 #3
Had to be the mid to late 70s at the earliest Revanchist Sep 2014 #16
1978-1980 Boreal Sep 2014 #19
I was born in 82 Quackers Sep 2014 #26
The CEPTIA motto: OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #6
Someday airlines will install them on planes. LibDemAlways Sep 2014 #8
I think RyanAir already tried that, or at least proposed it The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2014 #9
I'm almost sure I've been on one flight with them already davidpdx Sep 2014 #13
The only toilet available at the Amtrak Station LibDemAlways Sep 2014 #14
I've used them abroad. They are great, invariably nice and clean. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #15
A better idea would be the free, attended public toilets like in England and Germany. Aristus Sep 2014 #17
Provided that it's not the kind of attendant who passes you a paper towel and expects a $1 tip. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #20
No. The attendants of the public bathrooms in the parts of Europe I've been to, Aristus Sep 2014 #21
Looks like they are making a comeback in NYC. $8 a day Revanchist Sep 2014 #18
Facilities for the 1% n/t Boreal Sep 2014 #22
Knowing America, pay toilets would come with the Toilet Safety Administration. Initech Sep 2014 #23
o. m. g. nilram Sep 2014 #24
Recognition should also be given to the Society for the Preservation of Wooden Toilet Seats... DreamGypsy Sep 2014 #28
Digression: LOVE them! Met them! Their FINAL concert is up-coming: WinkyDink Sep 2014 #31
??? I've been to one in recent times in New Hope, PA. A quarter to open the door. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #30
Plain old public toilets would do. bobGandolf Sep 2014 #33
Because it's a shitty idea. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #35

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,835 posts)
1. I remember quite well when we did.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:20 PM
Sep 2014

And I also remember slithering under a stall door to avoid paying the potty fee. Pay toilets were the norm at airports and many other public places. It was nice to have them gone.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Paid a DIME, and only farted!
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:01 AM
Sep 2014

GAWD, I feel ... OLD!

They are quite common in Europe as well.

In the Middle East, you could usually find a free one in the lobby of a better hotel, but you still needed to bring your own buttwipe or be prepared to do some serious work with the hose, depending upon what you were there for....

If there was an attendant, a few tomans went on the tip plate, presumably for service as a door guard, or something.

RazzleCat

(732 posts)
29. German fee toilet
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:37 AM
Sep 2014

I remember in Germany having to use the loo and pulling into a restaurant, I had to buy a "coupon" to use the toilet. I purchased and used and on my way out tossed the coupon into the trash. It was not until I got in line to purchase some thing I discovered that you could redeem you coupon as part of any purchase. So not so bad, if your only going to use their water, soap and paper you pay a small fee, if however you purchase anything you can get your fee back. I am certain that if I could read or speak German that all of this information was posted, but I don't and I needed a toilet so paid the fee.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. I remember going to a pay toilet that was like a polished marble and granite palace.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:12 AM
Sep 2014

Unbelievable fixtures, stalls that went floor to ceiling and you could hold a small dance in...! Attendants at attention with fine linens upon which to wipe your washed and scented fingers! An array of accoutrements to ensure that your appearance was tip-top before exiting the facility! This one was in Zurich, and I came out of there googly-eyed. It was like something out of an MGM movie!

Of course, I was coming from a place where the toilet norm was a "bomb site" so this was real culture shock for me!

OldEurope

(1,273 posts)
34. Clearly you visited not a "normal" restaurant.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:28 AM
Sep 2014

In Germany this sort of coupon-fee is used in restrooms of Autobahn service areas, railway stations, and airports.
Most other restaurants have free access.

from Munich Octoberfest

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
10. I remember them too.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:47 PM
Sep 2014

I remember how everyone would cram a bunch of toilet paper in the locking mechanism so that it would not click shut. I remember how everyone would hold the door open for the next person, so that places with a lot of people in lines would get the first coin of the day and that was it. I remember that it cost a dime and you always kept a dime with you for either the phone or the pay toilet. Wow, a dime then would mean we would be paying about $.75 for a potty today. Wow. Ah, the good old days.

nilram

(2,893 posts)
25. yeah, just calculated that a dime then would be 59 cents today
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:36 AM
Sep 2014

I remember them at Woolworths, but they were on the way out when I was a teen.

Today, you just have to find the right employee and beg for a key or follow them back to be let in. Degrading, but free. But I presume the effect is the same: f you're a smelly homeless person who doesn't spend money at the establishment, you'll be shown the door.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
16. Had to be the mid to late 70s at the earliest
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:42 PM
Sep 2014

I was born in 1970 and I remember them so it would have to be after 1976 or so.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
19. 1978-1980
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:50 PM
Sep 2014

I worked in an airport that had them.

I agree they're outrageous. Dunno if they still exist. Toilets and drinking fountains are basic human needs so can only be thought of as rights.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
26. I was born in 82
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:40 AM
Sep 2014

And I remember our local department store had them. It cost 10¢. I hade 3 brothers and we would take turns making sure the door didn't close in order to pay again for it. That would have been 1988 I think.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
8. Someday airlines will install them on planes.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:39 PM
Sep 2014

No using the lav until you first swipe your credit card. It's the one potential profit center the airlines haven't yet explored.

And I distinctly recall a pay toilet situation at the Rainforest Cafe at Disney World back in the mid 90s. An attendant stood at the door and collected something like 50 cents. I was incensed, but when you gotta go, you gotta go.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
14. The only toilet available at the Amtrak Station
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:34 PM
Sep 2014

in Santa Barbara is a pay toilet, so either laws have been repealed or are being ignored. That pay toilet is clearly aimed at keeping the local homeless popuation out. It 's cruel.

Aristus

(66,452 posts)
17. A better idea would be the free, attended public toilets like in England and Germany.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014

Permanently staffed, (I hope with a well-paid attendant), scrupulously clean, always functional and always open. An amazing experience for someone used to "Restroom for customers ONLY!" America...

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
20. Provided that it's not the kind of attendant who passes you a paper towel and expects a $1 tip.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:55 PM
Sep 2014

One of my pet hates is those people who silently watch you urinating and then judge you because you happen not to have a dollar bill.

Aristus

(66,452 posts)
21. No. The attendants of the public bathrooms in the parts of Europe I've been to,
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:03 PM
Sep 2014

(in Germany, they are the Offentlisches WC) are paid a salary from public funds. No tipping. Just like most of the rest of Europe.

I used a WC a couple of times. The attendant was a woman. None of the men using the facility cared. She was doing her job. She went back and forth in the place, keeping it clean, filling the towel dispenser, etc. Guys came it, did their thing, and left. No problem. It was like the most natural thing in the world.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
28. Recognition should also be given to the Society for the Preservation of Wooden Toilet Seats...
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:39 AM
Sep 2014

...In America.

Also known as The Birch John Society.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
31. Digression: LOVE them! Met them! Their FINAL concert is up-coming:
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:52 AM
Sep 2014

http://www.chadmitchelltrio.com/

I have been a fan for over 50 years. I love Chad Mitchell beyond reason.

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
33. Plain old public toilets would do.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:28 AM
Sep 2014

God forbid you be in the city, and need a bathroom quickly. They are far, and few between. It amazes me how few stores have a bathroom you can use now, and the ones that do you are locked, and you need to find the key.

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