Good read, thanks.

First they are one family not a group. The only thing most people complain about the Duggar family is the number of children. I happen to watch the show from time to time and find it fascinating. Not the choice I would make but good for them.

About this actual story. Glad she got out if she was not happy. Life is too short to be miserable.

And you do realize that they are anti-women and violently anti-gay?

Either you want choice or not. I never said I would want to live their lifestyle or agree with their beliefs just that in America they are allowed to have this lifestyle.

With the fact they are actively trying to impose their fucked up views on me


Why r u here?

Totally speechless. Why am I here? To fight for equality for all. Even those I disagree with.

Think that oppression is ok. Fuck that

Don't you want that for LGBT Americans?

I am gay. I want everyone in America to have the right to live as they please and that includes the Duggars.

If you read it that way you are missing the point completely.

However they are theirs to make.

with that and would not want to have such choices forbidden, any more than I would want the choice of abortion forbidden. However, the Quiverful Movement wants to enforce that on everyone, certainly the women. The women actually have little choice in the matter unless they want to be outcasts from their families and communities. They have no business trying to make everyone else conform to that lifestyle. And that's what the Quiverful Movement is all about.

I didn't realize they actually physically attack gay people. That's appalling.

These folks are generally big fans of Leviticus 20:13.

so-called minister who has recently been accused of multiple acts of molestation involving girls and young women. The Duggars have not renounced their association with this guy.

Among the Duggars beliefs are what they call blanket training for small children. They train toddlers to sit on a blanket. If the child moves off the blanket, they get smacked.

Gothard also runs camps where boys and girls who question the teachings get sent for discipline and re-education. Several of the Duggar children have been sent, some more than once.

Things are really not what they seem in Duggarland. If the family seems happy, it's because Gothard teaches they must appear to be happy at all times. No other emotion is allowed. On the episode where Michelle announced pregnancy #20, one of the boys became visibly upset. His father grabbed him and firmly gripped his arm until a smile appeared.

If you look behind the facade, it's creepy as hell.

by using her as a symbol of sin. They had 9 children. When she left him the courts allowed him to keep the children because the children choose to stay with him. Her youngest daughter did not even want to see her because she was mean to dad. I have not seen any of them for a while but last I talked with her she was still working to win her children over.

This is a very evil movement.

Did she end up paying child support for the kids?

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It's just further proof that our fundamentalists are really no better than the ones we're fighting overseas.

Us womens is the reason when things go bad. Yessir.

I remember Vyckie from way back on homebirth and vbac email lists. I think she has posted here in the past. I was a bit shocked at first to learn that she had left the movement (after her posts on those email lists) but I've read a lot of her blog - it's very informative.

The whole quiverfull movement is really scary. I've known a few other ladies online who belong to it. Without question, they were brainwashed. It's sad to see. I've known more than a few who have had difficult pregnancies and births, yet months after a difficult birth they are pregnant again. I can see the appeal - you get to stay at home with your kids, maybe live a 'natural' life, grow your own food, and so on, but the brainwashing and emotional abuse is massive, never mind the physical toll. Whenever I see Michelle Duggar on tv she has that totally brainwashed 'look' on her face. You all know the look I'm speaking of. And it makes me so sad for her.

Yikes!

I visited a very interesting exhibition in Rochlitz Castle (Saxonia, Germany) about the women of the Protestant Revolution. And yes, the women were supposed to be responsible for the home and the family. Luther thought that the celibate is wrong but he did not reject the biblical rule that women are inferior to their husbands or chaplains. He wanted women to be literate and educated in all sciences for one reason: to educate their children and their parishioners to read and understand the teachings of christ.
At Luther's times, it were the women themselves (at least the noble ones with political and economic power) that tried to change the status of women in society. They admired Luthers works as a way to overturn the strict rules of the Roman Catholic Church that has always denied the rights of women. Their influence can be seen in Germany until today but you hardly ever learn about that. Because the science of History is dominated by males reporting about the deeds of men. So even I, a well educated protestant woman with strong interest in history, feminism, and justice, had never heard about those strong women until now. (I'm 56 now, and happy to have introduced this to my young daughter)
But, to be honest, I think at that time Martin Luther was not able to go that far away from the world he lived in to have accepted things like birth control or total gender equality. After all he left us a concept of religion that can incorporate scientific or moral development in the concept of christian values.

By the way: I'm an atheist.

On the Jews and Their Lies (German: Von den Jüden und iren Lügen; in modern spelling Von den Juden und ihren Lügen) is a 65,000-word anti-Jewish treatise written in 1543 by the German Reformation leader Martin Luther.

Luther's attitude toward the Jews took different forms over his life. In his earlier period, until 1537 or not much earlier, he wanted to convert Jews to Christianity. In his later period when he wrote this treaties, he denounced them and urged their persecution.[1]

In the treaties he argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[2] afforded no legal protection,[3] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[4] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[5]

In the treatise, Luther describes Jews as a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[6] Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,"[7] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut".[8]

In the first ten sections of the treatise, Luther expounds, at considerable length, upon his views concerning Jews and Judaism and how these compare against Christians and Christianity. Following this exposition, Section XI of the treatise advises Christians to carry out seven remedial actions. These are -

to avoid Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them;
to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians;
for Jewish religious writings to be taken away;
for rabbis to be forbidden to preach;
to not offer protection for Jews on highways;
for usury to be prohibited, and for all silver and gold to be removed, put aside for safekeeping and given back to Jews who truly convert; and
to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their noses.[4]

EDIT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

I do not really understand why you are mixing up things. My post was not about defending Luther.
As I said: I'm not religious, but interested in history.

You'll have to read through the linked blog post to see the context in which Luther actually wrote this. It's a little long but really interesting.
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2010/04/luther-if-women-wear-themselves-out-in.html

She's not a great person. Not at all.