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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:16 PM Sep 2014

"I知 so, so, so tired of watching this kind of .. craven, I知-embarrassed-that-I知-a-Democrat genre"


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Being for the little guy also means, of course, removing Big Government—or any government—from direct involvement in, or regulation of, college-student loan programs. Access to higher education is not an appropriate function of government. I know this for a fact, because this was an official policy of the Reagan administration, expressly stated by a member of Reagan’s cabinet. Which explains not just the dramatic reduction of reasonable-interest-rate student loans since, y’know, 1981, but also the extreme reduction in direct state and indirect federal funding for state public universities and colleges—since, y’know, 1981.

Uh-huh. The Conservative Movement, and certainly the Conservative Legal Movement, are all about sleight-of-hand redefinitions of common terms, and rely in the extreme on the idea of government-by-slogan, government-by-cliché.

The Koch brothers are little guys. Who knew?

This continues to work well for them so often, politically, because the Democrats have allowed it to, by failing—refusing—to address it, in particulars, head-on.

To wit: The witless campaign that Alison Lundergan Grimes, the Kentucky Dem nominee for Senate, is running in her effort to dethrone Mitch McConnell. Hey, Ms. Grimes: How’s that I’m-a-tough-Kentucky-woman-so-Kentucky-women-will-vote-for-me campaign goin’ for ya? Might it now be time to try somethin’ different? Like, addressing specifics of Dem public policy and recent Dem legislative achievements—and Repub votes on such things? Nah. You’re a tough Kentucky woman! So policy won’t matter in the outcome of the election.

Which it won’t, you can be absolutely sure, as long as you don’t deign to mention any of it. Are you really gonna allow election day to come without, like, informing the electorate that, uh, Kynect is—OMG!—Obamacare, and that McConnell has promised to defund it if the Repubs gain control of the Senate? I mean … really?

This woman’s campaign, more than any other this year, just dismays me. Then again, I myelf don’t give a damn that she’s a tough Kentucky woman. (Or, for that matter, that she’s a woman.) And apparently, either do all that many Kentucky women. She may well be tough. But tough, it turns out, is not the same thing as gutsy.

I’m so, so, so, so, so, so tired of watching this kind of campaign—this flaccid, craven, I’m-embarrassed-that-I’m-a-Democrat genre—from Democrats.

Especially since IT DOESN’T WORK. Really; it doesn’t work.

- See more at: http://angrybearblog.com/#sthash.MqZyg38C.dpuf

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"I知 so, so, so tired of watching this kind of .. craven, I知-embarrassed-that-I知-a-Democrat genre" (Original Post) phantom power Sep 2014 OP
It is a negative if she shows any favoritism toward Obama. kentuck Sep 2014 #1
The fact that Democrats want to "distance" themselves from something people actually like... phantom power Sep 2014 #2
I'm a Democrat. LWolf Sep 2014 #4
+1 daleanime Sep 2014 #11
thanks antiquie Sep 2014 #15
exactly. m-lekktor Sep 2014 #20
+ it all. Octafish Sep 2014 #22
Mitch wants the voters of Kentucky to believe that KYConnect is not the same as Obamacare.. kentuck Sep 2014 #6
Do you or have you ever lived in a red state? I have. Sometimes your candidates have to do things jwirr Sep 2014 #3
That might "win" some battles, but it loses the war to the GOP. phantom power Sep 2014 #5
We do sometimes lose but nothing like we will if we lose this election like we did the 2012. The jwirr Sep 2014 #7
jwirr, I understand all politics are local. saidsimplesimon Sep 2014 #8
Agreed. I lived in both Iowa (when it was red) and Nebraska. I now live in MN and there is a world jwirr Sep 2014 #9
jwirr, if only all Americans would behave like the Scots. saidsimplesimon Sep 2014 #13
That info has to get out to those most likely to need it. I am in MN and my precinct is very small - jwirr Sep 2014 #23
Then why is she falling farther behind? Dawgs Sep 2014 #21
I'm reminded of Al Gore distancing himself from Bill Clinton in 2000, which did Gore No Vested Interest Sep 2014 #10
This is ignorant of what's actually taking place. DemocraticWing Sep 2014 #12
battered wife syndrome. the media is so crapitalist since the 80's, forget a firebreathing dem. pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #14
Richard Durbin crying on the floor of the Senate back in 2005 bluestateguy Sep 2014 #16
I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that's she's tough bluestateguy Sep 2014 #17
She knows that constituency better than we do treestar Sep 2014 #18
My neighborhood is plastered with "Vote for me, I'm a conservative Republican" signs. Scuba Sep 2014 #19

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
1. It is a negative if she shows any favoritism toward Obama.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:24 PM
Sep 2014

It is not an easy decision. But, she could inform the voters of Kentucky that KYConnect is "Obamacare" and we do not have to like Barack Obama just because we like insurance coverage for our children. However, we cannot let Mitch McConnell and the Republicans take it away and he has promised to repeal it if he is the Majority Leader. KY cannot take the gamble.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
2. The fact that Democrats want to "distance" themselves from something people actually like...
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:45 PM
Sep 2014

that Democrats are responsible for giving them... says everything about why American politics is broken, and how Dems allowed the GOP to break it.

If she feels like her constituents can't bear to wrap their minds around the idea that Obama was involved in something they're benefiting from, I suppose she could just go with "McConnell wants to take away your Kynect program, and I promise to keep it."

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
4. I'm a Democrat.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:54 PM
Sep 2014

I actually "like," as in support, universal, not-for-profit nationalized health care, free at point of service and paid entirely by taxes. THAT is the goal.

I actually don't like for-profit insurance which is not by any stretch "affordable," and still limits care. I think the fact that many Democrats think that calling insurance "care" and having to pay premiums plus deductibles plus copays if we're actually going to get any care is somehow "affordable" and something to "like" says everything about why the Democratic Party is broken.

kentuck

(111,107 posts)
6. Mitch wants the voters of Kentucky to believe that KYConnect is not the same as Obamacare..
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

...and many do not know they are being deceived.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. Do you or have you ever lived in a red state? I have. Sometimes your candidates have to do things
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:52 PM
Sep 2014

that they know us Democrats do not agree with. If they did not know how to play the game they would consistently lose to the Rs.

Think about what we are trying to accomplish in 2014. We do not want to lose like we did in 2012. We are trying to keep the Senate (and the House if possible) in our hands. That red state senator helps us keep control. The numbers add up. We are trying to once again gain control of the SCOTUS. Without the Senate we have no hope of doing that. Things are not always what they seem.

If I could have my way I would have 100% of our candidates resemble Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. But I know that I am not going to get that.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
5. That might "win" some battles, but it loses the war to the GOP.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

Because all it really accomplishes is implicitly admitting that liberal democratic principles are wrong. What else would any voter possibly conclude?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. We do sometimes lose but nothing like we will if we lose this election like we did the 2012. The
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:21 PM
Sep 2014

SCOTUS will be gone for the next 30-40 years and Rs will control both the House and the Senate. Nothing we want will get done and we will be lucky they even let us vote in coming elections. They already obstruct too many voters.

The "war to the gop" is only lost in the red states if we let them run unopposed or do not run a smart campaign thus losing by default. IF we run liberals in those states we will lose for sure.

As to admitting that democratic principles are wrong. So if we do not have 100% agreement in all of the states that is an admission of defeat? I do not agree. Sometimes compromise is necessary to get where you are going. We want our elected officials to represent their constituents but not if they live in red states? When a red state truly believes that they do not want to follow liberal policies how do we get a win for the democratic party in that state?

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
8. jwirr, I understand all politics are local.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:01 PM
Sep 2014

"Things are not always what they seem." Currently living in a red state, native of KY: Given a choice between Mrs. Grimes and the man who promised to prevent the Senate from any action on the people's business, my choice would be clear. Not voting is suicidal

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. Agreed. I lived in both Iowa (when it was red) and Nebraska. I now live in MN and there is a world
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:08 PM
Sep 2014

of difference. But even in MN I vote in every election. It is my duty.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
13. jwirr, if only all Americans would behave like the Scots.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:24 PM
Sep 2014

Can you imagine the change in direction if the US could register over 90% of the population? Even better, what is possible if the majority actually votes. Vote by mail is available across the US. In most places we do not need to stand in lines.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. That info has to get out to those most likely to need it. I am in MN and my precinct is very small -
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:43 AM
Sep 2014

no lines.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
21. Then why is she falling farther behind?
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:20 AM
Sep 2014

You're argument would make sense, and I know because I live in Georgia, if it was actually working.. which it isn't.

And, there are many examples where supporting issues of the left, even in red states, actually help the Democrat.

It's not about being Sanders or Warren. It's about just supporting things that are already very popular; like Kynect, higher minimum wage, immigration reform, campaign finance reform, etc.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
10. I'm reminded of Al Gore distancing himself from Bill Clinton in 2000, which did Gore
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:09 PM
Sep 2014

no good.

Yes, I believe Gore actually won the state of FL and the election, but the results would likely have been more definitive had Gore aligned himself more closely with Clinton's presidency.

Here in SW Ohio, we're in the Northern Kentucky TV market, so I'm hearing the Grimes and McConnell TV ads steadily.
I'm disturbed that Ms. Grimes doesn't align herself with the ACA. - One doesn't have to use the term "Obamacare", after all.
Point out that a Democratic Congress made Kynect possible and that a Democratic Senate is needed to keep it in place, because Mitch McConnell would like to lead the Senate in taking away those benefits from Kentuckians.

A hat tip to Gov. Beshear wouldn't hurt either.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
12. This is ignorant of what's actually taking place.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:14 PM
Sep 2014

Grimes has repeatedly called out McConnell for voting against raising the minimum wage, voting against re-financing student loans, voting against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and voting against the Violence Against Women Act. REPEATEDLY, in her campaign materials to boot!

People shouldn't take the one TV commercial they saw a snippet of on MSNBC or some internet blog as the only thing that ever happened. You're clearly not at all informed about the campaign Grimes is running.

pansypoo53219

(20,987 posts)
14. battered wife syndrome. the media is so crapitalist since the 80's, forget a firebreathing dem.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sep 2014

but the swing rite is on the wane. the media just won't accept that.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
17. I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that's she's tough
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

What's so tough about her? She gives great speeches, but what makes her so tough?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. She knows that constituency better than we do
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 04:34 PM
Sep 2014

If a Democrat has a chance in that state, let them gage what is best to do.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
19. My neighborhood is plastered with "Vote for me, I'm a conservative Republican" signs.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 08:15 AM
Sep 2014

Still waiting to see the first "Vote for me, I'm a liberal Democrat" sign.

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