This old hippy gets tired of being right.

he'd say it again and again in the NYT in his columns, "Folks, this thing can't last...it will crash..."

And he was right...

The current valuation on my house is something like 86k. I paid 103k in 1999 for it, and at one point I think the valuation had hit something like 125k. Supposedly a lot of places have rebounded on home prices, but our area sure hasn't. Lots more rentals in our neighbourhood now, and I heard the city is actually going to demolish a couple of foreclosed on properties on the street.

was hoping someone would post this.

that would help.

What will promote peace and democracy more?

A) Soldiers, guns and drones?

B) Teachers, doctors and engineers?

Imagine spending billions on people instead of war. What a great country we would be.

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How many people have died in your name today?

a conscientious objector to the draft or defecting to Canada. It announced to the PTB that most of us were not cool with becoming cannon fodder. Today, with the volunteer army of poor underclasses and private contractors, the PTB are free to ignore us. The only way we will get their attention again is to refuse to pay our taxes and risk everything the IRS and other government agencies have to throw at us.

We've tried everything, and about the only thing we have left is to refuse to pay taxes or go on a general strike. And we're so gutless, we won't do either of those. I haven't heard an official count of the Climate Change march in NYC today, but there WAS a mass of humanity out there. But I flipped channels and seen not a mention of it. That is totally unbelievable. Oh, they may give it about 15 seconds at some point, just so they can say they "covered it." We don't have a free press. We have a bought press.

Some were just not morally fit...

~PEACE~

Way to go, CTyankee!

testers (academics, politicians, ministers, etc.) pre-dated the "hippie" movement, and, in fact, detested their "lifestyle."

Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & The Dark Heart Of The Hippie Dream

I was a white, middle class, suburban housewife and mom and got radicalized by the Vietnam War. I had a little boy and I was scared senseless that the war would go on and on and suck him into it eventually...I remember wearing this leather peace symbol and got glares from ordinary folks when I wore it in a 4th of July parade...

It just wasn't that visible and it wasn't a movement, it was occurring in small pockets along the west coast and I'm sure other places as well.

It is an offshoot of german back to nature movements from the 18th and 18th century. It could be argued Wagner was part of this movement. Nudism, natural food etc. Very German.

And they did.

Soldiers and civilian targets are just collateral for warsters.

Admit to a problem that undermines the standard narrative with which they use to control and manipulate the 99%.

To admit that problems exist would be to open a Pandora’s box of questions that would begin to undermine the standard narrative.

This must never be allowed to happen.

hacks.

See, it was a fad for them back in the 60's and 70's when they were in High School or College.

I knew they would go over to the dark side because fundamentally they were still talking like
conservatives.

There were and still are people walking the planet who know that the message of the real hippy was and is to
use common sense to build on peace and global awareness and don't let fear rule your every breath.


Tikki

Thank you for caring....

...authority who were threatening to harm them if they didn't stop talking....talking, just talking.

Hypocrisy is and was a sin according to the hippies. It is a gift according to the conservatives then and now.

Tikki

They had the power of their convictions.

We set up those supply lines and proclaimed that it was our right to use a non dangerous herb.

It breaks my heart and makes me sick. I have never changed my mind and attitude in all these years. But when I run into old friends from the anti-war, love/peace/rock and roll era, I am more often devastated by where they are today. On FB, I found several of the old crowd, and have had to unfriend most of them because of all the bullshit posts that they make. Most of them are highly religious and very conservative. Where have all the hippies gone, long time passing.

I don't recall it being a fad and your arrogance is offensive. I am neither a religious "nut" nor am I a corporate "hack".

Most of us were against a war that was killing our friends and many innocent civilians. Your ignorance and lack of knowledge are insulting.

not yours and I am 100% positive you did not grow up where I was talking about.

Please read my post again...


Tikki

I am not convinced that you have a clue where I grew up or that all the "dirty hippies" in your locale turned out as turncoats. Sorry, no offense, but I still take offense.

Please read my post again.

Tikki

to uninformed people...those who know more about football and beer than about the various levels of government. I was a Beatnik before I became a hippie...I really enjoyed shoving it to the establishment. Well, I guess I haven't changed. Another war will be a big benefit for the GREEDY BASTARDS...plus continuing the war on drugs...plus using the police state as an official way to rob people, especially Canadians. Guess I'm still a hippie.

I am convinced that we cannot be a part of the solution no matter how much war materiel we pummel these people with. The problem began with the imperialism of the French and the British and its arbitrary groupings of the people of that area of the ME. We keep mouthing these slogans about freedom and we don't know shit about how the people who live there feel about it. Bombing crap out of them is the stupidest way to change hearts and minds...it can't be done.

Seems we must always choose the worst solution, then follow it.

... when it's actually about money.

That's why they never listen. And unless we can hit them in their wallets, they never will.

even then there will voter suppression and vote theft. Remember the Kerry election campaign and Ohio? That was the election, over and done with. I wanted to scream. I had just signed uip for DU in October of 2004 and I remember almost skipping to the polls with my heart as happy as could be. We were going to win!

Then, election night. What a tragedy. We mourned collectively on DU then and thank god for DU then! I had no place else to go and cry online and get solace...

Now I am just a sorehead, I guess...too much has happened, too many disappointments, too many "I told you so" messages to those who were WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

I was no huge Kerry fan (why did a party whose delegates roundly opposed the invasion choose a candidate who supported it?), but as I was phone banking on election day, I could feel it in the air and in the voices of the people I spoke to: I had a powerful sense that our long nightmare was coming to a close.

our history and we have long ago learned what moral behavior is.

are unbeleiving ONCE AGAIN...they don't get it that we got the videotape...

That of wallets failing to open. Protest marches small or massive are entirely invisible to them.

retirement accounts will need the reinvestment dollars from their paychecks, even tho it will never be enough to keep them afloat financially when they are forced, through disability or just old age, to retire...or they are "somehow" gotten rid of because they are old. That game is up.

But iPhones, GameBoys, DirecTV and a myriad of other things would be entirely expendable items and would cause alarm bells to ring if "consumers" weren't lining up for like Pavlov's dogs.

I have cable, an old flip phone and a PC...that's about it. I save a TON of money, I figure...

the citizens of the US are no longer important in the long run. They have China and Southeast Asia in their pockets.

They have robbed us into poverty and know we are no longer a threat to their $$$. The police are militarized to the point they think can't be overthrown.

We need a leader on the left, but it's a short term position. Whoever takes the job will be either killed or compromised.
I, too have friends that were against the war, then. They are now 'libertarians' of the Rand sort(Ayn or Paul, does it matter?) . It amazes me that these are smart people that refuse to believe we're under assault from the RWNJs.

BTW, A. Hippie was buried in SF in 1968.

Bought myself a VW beetle and proceeded to drop out of the system as quickly as I could. Love, sex, and lots of drugs all of which had cost me dearly paid for by 15 fucking months in country VN got me though. Where I was the VC rained, walked them in if you understand, rockets, mortars, whatever you want to call them, down on us day and night, not ever day or every night but more days and nights by far than not. No one to take your aggressions out on cause you couldn't see who was doing it but knowing all along that what you, I, was doing there was as wrong as anything I'll ever do my whole life. We had no business there doing what we were doing but it didn't matter. I came home pissed at the system and a little more than simply shell shocked, fucked up if you will. My friends along with the drugs, the love, the sex all of that got me through to where I am today an old man who is just happy to be alive and still have some wits about me. Prouder of the fact I'm an Old Hippie than I am a War Veteran. it was the Hippies who got us out of that hell hole not the politicians or anyone else, it was the Hippies and I thank them every single day of my life for the courage it took to take on the Man like they did. And you know what, the Hippies WON in the end.
fuckin' A

You know I think most of those rockets and mortars that rained down on us came from our own shores.
That's the sad part, the hardest part to come to grips with actually. knowing that

Thank you for sharing that, madokie.

I was fortunate enough that my number wasn't taken. But I only missed it by two numbers and had passed my physical.

for truth

to protest the illegal invasion of Iraq. I was too young to protest Vietnam, but I did join Amnesty International as a result of that war.

I've marched on Washington a few times. Not until the march to protest Iraq was I sure that the M$M has been bought and paid for by the corporate megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics, AND our global economy.

But, what good is being right when the PTB won't hear our voices...

that anyone that is against the authoritarian state, money poured in to the defense department and money spent to end lives in other countries rather than save them in our own have always been reviled.

It's a pattern. I dare anyone who does not see this pattern to say why they don't see it, because you could see it from Mars without the Rover. We have a lot of people that feign blindness because they think this will benefit whatever objective, prejudice or financial goal they have.

The rest of the US just sees folly.

I've talked till I'm blue in the face and it hasn't done much good...my circle of friends has become a circle of widows who do not have my same circle of friends...it's a bad situation...

but some people that pretend not to get it, especially on the internet aren't there to get it. They are there to convince you that you are an idiot for believing in anything other than the latest war. They get it, they just don't want dissent.

Congratulating yourself on the internet about how right you were to predict the obvious doesn't actually change anything, does it?

Mine was an observation about how people who have protested have been right and the media has been silent or wrong.

Why is that a bad thing?

Barely a week goes by without some DU'er posting a "The Dirty Hippies Were Right!" thread. At least you had the decency to leave out the tired-ass music and the picture of a very colorful VW beetle that usually accompanies such posts.

When these people are done with their self-congratulatory preaching to the choir, what happens? What changes? What do they do? Nothing, unless they plan for next week's copy-paste of the same thread.

Okay. The Dirty Hippies Were Right™. also, have you heard, Olive Garden food isn't exactly that great.

But giving up doesn't stroke the ego nearly as well.

I'm sorry but I really don't know what your problem is with some lived, personal history here at DU. Many, many of us talk about our experiences with protest. I take no personal glory in what I took part in. It was just what happened. I was only pointing out the truth of Bob Dylan's protest songs and a couple of moments in time.

Good lord, we are not your sworn enemy. In fact, I thought we were all good Democrats here.

and working for all kinds of social justice issues.
Just as long as we remember to keep the wheels of our walkers oiled.

neighborhood canvassing is limited to houses with ground floor entrances. That's why I do more phone bank calling. Also, I like calling. I've done it for Ned Lamont (against Lieberman), Obama, and our own state delegation campaigns.

Lived low carbon lifestyles, worked and shopped locally, burned draft cards, spoke out and marched for change and hopefully changed a few minds along the way.
Aside from the more radical groups who commit civil disobedience I am not sure what they can feasibly do.
Any tips?

will always be asking, and disappointment.

Until we quit making them possible.

conflict, its belligerent stance on the issues of the day, its sticking its nose in others' business. Otherwise, it might prove too difficult to continue to expand MIC spending exponentially.

foreign wars are about domestic control.

Give peace a chance! Still true today.

We aren't privy to the President's intel.

Imagine if the hippies started to round up the FBI !

^ Exhibit A ^ that I was there.


VORTEX I - Which I actually do remember .. some of at least ..

memories are plentiful and detailed, fun and funny, still know a lot of the same people. What a long strange trip its been.